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The occultist Illuminati purpose behind the gay agenda in the USA.

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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:17 AM
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This is a very interesting topic and I was greatly enlighten. But I am very very curious about the Illuminati and I would like to know what every else's take on this secret organization is.




posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by halfoldman
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The way that men own and treat women in much of the world raises our consciousness?
Raping women until they become incontinent or impregnating child brides raises our consciousness?
Are you referring to all heterosexual sex, even adultery and prostitution?
Or are you confining the "benefits" to your special form of yoga?
What class of yoga is this, and what is the unbroken chain of gurus?

By what degree or authority do you (ab)use Hindu terminology, when India was one of the few colonized countries to keep its "third gender".


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The thread is not about issues between men and women. May be quite hard for you to understand, that ain't talking that adulterers, prostitutes, rapists or any other sort of human scum, are enable to raise their consciousness through Maithuna. You DON'T PUT WORDS I didn't say!!

I was implying that the Maithuna ONLY is possible between MEN and WOMEN, preferentially engaged couples.

Who are YOU, to question what can I use or not to use, of MY CULTURE???? "Third gender???", Unless you are talking about hermaphrodites, there's NO "third gender". What part of "anus is NOT a sexual organ" you just can't get????

"unbroken chain of guru"??? Don't be pathetic! Regardless the level of my own knowledge of ancient mysteries (and it's NOT your bussiness), ANY authentic initiated know that homosexuals are in the branch of human involution. PERIOD!! I don't care if you like what I'm saying or not. I don't care if you CAN'T HANDLE with criticism over gay agenda. Actually I don't give a damn, about all these gay-supporters over here, attempting to discredit those who expose their unfortunate existence. I do NOT bend to gay agenda and I feel glad on providing information to wake up those who know that something is wrong, but they can't understand what it is.


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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:46 AM
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If your discussion is none of my business then don't post.
I'm also a member of ATS, and I don't care what you say.
You have clearly lost the plot.

Go make a thread against anal sex, which is what you actually mean, and not sexual orientation.

I have every right to query from what position you speak.
Whether you cogently answer or not is your business.
I just do not want people to read this thread and to conclude that all Hindus are as nasty and prejudiced as yourself.


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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by JR MacBeth
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...Finally, as regards to the Illuminati, or whoever might be running the show, Crowley did seem to have high connections. I don't know if he really was friends with Churchill, but he was apparently a "spy" during WW2, since he was recognized by the German lodges. Note also that the Swiss OTO did have 13 degrees at one point, I don't know how they might be now. From what I can tell, this is often just brushed-off as an attempt to sync with York Rite masonry, that Crowley apparently held as superior to the Scottish Rite. One of his quotes about the OTO, post his various changes was that the OTO Eighth Degree "wiped their arses" with the 33rd Degree. Obviously, infighting was going on. Note also a figure like L. Ron Hubbard, who later went on to supposedly challenge the CIA, from within, with his Dianetics organization. OTO is still in the middle, at least in terms of the recent history of the past 7 or 8 decades.

Conspiracies and "agendas" out of this crowd? I don't think it's such a stretch!

JR


JR MacBeth, you've brought up a fascinating topic. Have you thought of starting your own thread on this -- just to see what comes up?

Very powerful people are involved in secret societies. But something as public as the OTO of today? Maybe very secretive & exclusive offshoots? The A...A...? (I can't make the three dot triangle -- I don't have that glyph.) There are so many stories floating around, difficult to confirm. But casting a net here might turn up some interesting rumors.

JR: "For the record, I'm no follower of Crowley, nor am I an expert on his systems. I came to accept him as potentially important in the grand scheme of things, because he seems to have been highly respected by powerful people, including Winston Churchill, who was supposedly taught the 'V' (for victory) sign, that soon morphed into the 'peace' sign."

SW: I don't know if Crowley actually met Churchill, it seems more likely that Ian Fleming acted as an intermediary, if there's any truth to that story at all. Crowley had such a BAD rep.

JR: "As for the '13th' degree, there is a lot of confusion on this matter, and I think it is by design. Crowley himself only seemed to go as 'far' as the 11th degree, which he identified as 'inscrutable', and yet he was the Frater Superior at the time, and went so far as to call himself Baphomet. How was it that there was a '12th' degree theoretically 'above' him?...."

SW: I'm not sure where that's coming from. I'm sure Crowley was at the 12th degree (Frater Superior), he was the Head of OTO (at least of his branch) when he died.

JR: "... Well, one of the things the OTO has said is that they are at the . of ALL pagan and gnostic religions, whether the followers know it, or not. Certainly the connection between the Gnostic Catholic Church and OTO isn't a huge secret, unless I'm confused."

SW: If the OTO is claiming that they are the HEAD of ALL pagan and gnostic religions, they are WRONG. It's true that Gardnerian & Alexandrian traditions of Wicca are an extension of the OTO. The Charge even contains some of Crowley's poetry. But many traditions under the very broad Pagan banner are NOT an extension of the OTO, they have very different roots. And the Gnostic Christian sects are definitely NOT descended from the OTO. Anunnaki is a Gnostic Christian, if his links are an accurate indication.

As for the connection between the Gnostic Catholic Church & the OTO, if it was ever a secret, it's not now. My understanding is that the Gnostic Catholic Church exists for the sole purpose of performing Crowley's Gnostic Mass.

JR: "...Finally, as regards to the Illuminati, or whoever might be running the show, Crowley did seem to have high connections...."

SW: I'm sure Crowley considered himself a member of the Illuminati, because the OTO claimed to be descended from the original Illuminati. I hate using the word "Illuminati" when referring to the Global Elite because it's a loaded word. You can get dragged into fruitless arguments about how the Illuminati does not exist anymore because it was completely destroyed, etc. "Global Elite" is a broader term.

JR: "...I don't know if he really was friends with Churchill, but he was apparently a 'spy' during WW2, since he was recognized by the German lodges. Note also that the Swiss OTO did have 13 degrees at one point, I don't know how they might be now. From what I can tell, this is often just brushed-off as an attempt to sync with York Rite masonry, that Crowley apparently held as superior to the Scottish Rite. One of his quotes about the OTO, post his various changes was that the OTO Eighth Degree 'wiped their arses' with the 33rd Degree. Obviously, infighting was going on...."

SW: Crowley spent WWI in New York writing pro-German propaganda. His explanation was that he was working for British Intel. Crowley stayed in England for the duration of WWII (he was in his mid-60's, still heroin-addicted & in poor health). It is possible that he was secretly aiding British Intel as a consultant on Occult matters. The British were using Occultists during WWII (as was the SS).

JR: "... Note also a figure like L. Ron Hubbard, who later went on to supposedly challenge the CIA, from within, with his Dianetics organization."

SW: Yes, that is a VERY interesting story. L. Ron Hubbard studied Magick under Jack Parsons (. of the OTO Agape Lodge & rocket scientist). Story goes Hubbard was working for Naval Intel to infiltrate the OTO. Hubbard goes on to invent Scientology afterwards -- mind control techniques anyone?

JR: "OTO is still in the middle, at least in terms of the recent history of the past 7 or 8 decades.
Conspiracies and 'agendas' out of this crowd? I don't think it's such a stretch!"

SW: Yes, I agree. Although I'm more apt to think it's some super-secret offshoot of the OTO.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by tiger5

Originally posted by SeaWind

Originally posted by tiger5
Wow now someone finds a 13th level in the OTO well Crowley must be spining in his grave. The OTO only has an 11 degree initiatory system.

The chakras and sex are a huge esoteric topic and things have become standardised in the west but the number of chakras vary according to lineages. Some acknowledge only 4.

Homosexuals can raise kundalini and can become excellent psychics. The OP has read a little and imagined a lot!


Tiger5, I'm not sure who you're addressing, but since Macbeth isn't here....

1.) "Wow now someone finds a 13th level in the OTO well Crowley must be spining in his grave. The OTO only has an 11 degree initiatory system."

SW: First of all, I don't know where Macbeth got the story about Crowley and the 13th Degree. There are MANY stories about Crowley floating around, I don't know the source of this one. Technically speaking there are actually 12 degrees in the OTO, the highest three degrees belong to organizational positions. I think the 11th Degree may be ceremonial only. So really only 9 degrees mark spiritual or magickal development.

2.) "The chakras and sex are a huge esoteric topic and things have become standardised in the west but the number of chakras vary according to lineages. Some acknowledge only 4."

SW: There are MANY major & minor chakras in & around the human body, most are never taught in the West. Most use the seven MAJOR chakras along the Sushumna Nadi.

3.) "Homosexuals can raise kundalini and can become excellent psychics."
SW: I NEVER said that homosexuals cannot raise Kundalini or become psychics. The Kundalini can be awakened spontaneously. An awakened Kundalini does NOT guarantee Enlightenment. A celebate homosexual could follow traditional yogic methods to achieve Enlightenment. However, a practicing homosexual cannot use Maithuna to achieve Enlightenment -- which was Anunnaki's point in the OP.

The psychic portals can be opened by drugs (not recommended). Some are born with powerful psychic gifts -- they did not have to work for it in this lifetime. Psychism does NOT indicate a spiritually advanced soul. Some genuine psychics are really very sleazy in their personal conduct. It's not that unusual for genuine psychics to have drug or alcohol problems. Psychism does NOT equal Spirituality.
4.) The OP has read a little and imagined a lot!



Originally posted by tiger5
So am I to believe that having some sort of Gnostic interest automatically prevents people from social ignorance or homophobia? The occult is huge and has been adapted by all people. You also forget that LH Tantra is an intensley non-conformist lifestyle.

They are several gay occult orders who seem to do very well on the 5Ms and seem to be well on the way to enlightenment with several having achieved cosmic conscious. I have over 30 years in the game and get very unhappy about people bring their bigotry to besmirch the noble work of attaining gnosis.

Where is the humanitarian conduct? Where is the respect for all life. Where is the simple good manners?? All that I see is someone adding to the homophobic content on the planet.

And yes more gay people could be beaten up because of this kind of posting. I don’t quite get being gay as I am not but I have dear friends who are.


It's a blatant LIE!!!! There's no "adaptation" in occultism. There are white occultism and dark occultism. PERIOD!! There's absolutely no "adaption". Or you are in one or in another. It's a nasty, filthy and disgusting LIE to say that homosexuals can raise Kundalini. They CAN NOT. You are a LIAR and any initiate in ancient mysteries know that. "Occultist gay order"??? Well, Adolf Hitler was homosexual and belonged to the Golden Dawn, the same black magic order, that Aleister Crowley was member. And Hitler was sodomized several times in satanic rituals, to launch their Kundalini down into the infra dimensions of nature, so that he could wake his consciousness in the absolute evil, what actually happened.

What it's pretty obvious here, is that gays and gay-supporters twist everything they can, in attempt to diverge people and prevent them, on seeing what they REALLY are. Those who know the ancient mysteries, EVER fall into their deceives. I hope more and more people start to fight the evil, instead accept it.
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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 10:15 AM
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You present yourself as the know all and be all of all things occult and pagan. Got news for you Skippy, you are not. No one is. It is pure arrogance to think you are the complete master of the subject. If there is an evil in this thread, you need to go no further than your nearest mirror to see it. Hatred and discust are the fastest paths to the Dark Side, and you seem to be well on your way. It is the content of the heart, not where someone sticks their penis, that makes one good or evil. And your heart seems to be a very dark place indeed...



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by tiger5

Originally posted by SeaWind

!SW: That is so UNfair! Anunnaki follows the Gnostic path which has its own understanding & methods."


So am I to believe that having some sort of Gnostic interest automatically prevents people from social ignorance or homophobia? The occult is huge and has been adapted by all people. You also forget that LH Tantra is an intensley non-conformist lifestyle.

They are several gay occult orders who seem to do very well on the 5Ms and seem to be well on the way to enlightenment with several having achieved cosmic conscious. I have over 30 years in the game and get very unhappy about people bring their bigotry to besmirch the noble work of attaining gnosis.

Where is the humanitarian conduct? Where is the respect for all life. Where is the simple good manners?? All that I see is someone adding to the homophobic content on the planet.

And yes more gay people could be beaten up because of this kind of posting. I don’t quite get being gay as I am not but I have dear friends who are.


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Tiger5, I have NO desire to increase the violence & cruelty towards homosexuals. And I doubt that Anunnaki does either. Anunnaki's original series of posts is a warning about the Occult purpose behind the NWO agenda in promoting homosexuality.

You did not read my post on page 9 of this thread.

I do NOT care what happens between consenting adults.

If you believe Maithuna can be successfully used by homosexuals, you are free to do so.

Anunnaki's message was for those who have the ears to hear it.

SeaWind



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by JDooz
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How is Homosexuality not an illness? How do you come to that conclusion?
How is enjoying savory foods over sweet foods not an illness?



Pre-1970 it was considered one,
Lots of things were considered an illness pre-modern medicine. Give you one example:

Female hysteria was a once-common medical diagnosis, made exclusively in women, which is today no longer recognized by modern medical authorities as a medical disorder. Its diagnosis and treatment were routine for many hundreds of years in Western Europe. Hysteria was widely discussed in the medical literature of the Victorian era. Women considered to be suffering from it exhibited a wide array of symptoms including faintness, nervousness, insomnia, fluid retention, heaviness in abdomen, muscle spasm, shortness of breath, irritability, loss of appetite for food or sex, and "a tendency to cause trouble".

(interesting sidenote...often the doctors would treat the hysteria by using a vibrator on the woman...hmm..something tells me some of them may have been faking it


Anyhow...yes..people used to think that menstration = mental disorder verses just a natural body reaction


and somehow it soon became simply a 'lifestyle' choice.
I am more inclined to believe its a biological makeup of a person.


How does that happen? Is the same going to happen with pedophilia?
Contrary to popular belief, pedophilia is not a choice. its not even a desire..the sexual attraction for a pre-pubescent person often leads back to a issue of power and former abuse. Pedophilia can be treated, and even "cured" with intensive therapy. Being gay cannot. and no, pedophilia is illegal of course...what a stupid argument.


It soon will become nothing more than a 'lifestyle.'


soon? it is...it always has been, but typically its been a secret lifestyle.
Like saying soon being a blonde will be just a lifestyle...
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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by Evanescence

Originally posted by SeaWind


Originally posted by SeaWindI remember seeing some cartoon that's being shown in US elementary schools, promoting a Gay man. In the cartoon, a pretty young woman is shown surrounded by hunky men admiring her. The setting is a beach. Then a young man is shown trying on a woman's bikini. The young Gay comes out onto the beach and the attention of the hunky men is TURNED from the pretty woman to the young Gay guy. With throbbing hearts, the formerly straight hunky men are now INFATUATED with the young Gay guy wearing a woman's bikini. This cartoon is now shown to grade school children.


Funny I know of no such cartoon and even if it were shown as much as you hint at, it would not be indicative of some worldwide conspiracy nor even of any ulterior motives given the amount of discrimination homosexuals face alone in this country, let alone in the world. How many schools have Bible-thumping teachers and school boards that think creationism is a valid science? Yeah, I don't see you complaining about that despite the fact that it's a far bigger threat to critical thinking


This is the youtube video on the cartoon being shown to grade school children. Unfortunately, it doesn't show the whole cartoon:

www.youtube.com...

The NWO is almost guaranteed to win. They own the money & power. So know this: Homosexual marriages will be legalized in the US. Marijuana will be legalized. The drugging of people will increase, whether or not the drugs laws change anytime soon. Enjoy the decay.

Those who believe in heterosexuality as the norm and other traditional values will be driven into silence and eventually underground.

SeaWind



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 11:23 AM
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Saw the Fox report above.
I don't identify with the cartoon at all as a gay man.
It seems more about transvestites or trans-gender people?

The entire cartoon is not available.
The selected and repeated snippets here are not contextualized.
I can make any clip look "gay" by editing out material and context.

I agree with the OP on especially anal rape as a negative energy.
However, I cannot agree that sex is always about penetration.
It seems like:
Straight=vaginal sex
Gay=anal sex
That is not the truth.

Oh whatever, it's a whole conflation of issues blamed on gays.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by halfoldman
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Saw the Fox report above.
I don't identify with the cartoon at all as a gay man.
It seems more about transvestites or trans-gender people?

The entire cartoon is not available.
The selected and repeated snippets here are not contextualized.
I can make any clip look "gay" by editing out material and context.

I agree with the OP on especially anal rape as a negative energy.
However, I cannot agree that sex is always about penetration.
It seems like:
Straight=vaginal sex
Gay=anal sex
That is not the truth.

Oh whatever, it's a whole conflation of issues blamed on gays.



Halfoldman, I saw this cartoon some months ago. It's not just about a Gay guy wearing a woman's bikini. When the Gay guy comes out, the hunky straight guys TURN away from the pretty woman and admire the Gay guy. It's very blatant in it's message. It's telling grade school kids that Gay is BETTER than straight.

Of course, anal rape is "negative energy" as you put it. It's also physically dangerous. Anal sex performed without lube & care is dangerous -- ruptured lower colon.

The OP never said the majority of homosexuals are part of a NWO conspiracy. It is implied that the NWO is using homosexuals for their own purposes.

The OP is NOT saying sex is always about penetration. He's referring to a specific type of sexual ritual. He's saying Maithuna cannot be performed without lingam & yoni. It has to do with completing a circuit of energy.

Putting lingam to anus or mouth does not complete a circuit of energy between two people.

Maithuna is about yogi (male) & yogini (female) achieving cosmic consciousness thru the meshing of their sexual organs.

The OP is also saying that homosexual sex opens certain psychic portals to evil energies & entities.

I suspect obsession by negative entities is a real danger. These increase negative energies to feed on & also magnify weaknesses.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 01:22 PM
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"It's a blatant LIE!!!! There's no "adaptation" in occultism. There are white occultism and dark occultism. PERIOD!! There's absolutely no "adaption". Or you are in one or in another. It's a nasty, filthy and disgusting LIE to say that homosexuals can raise Kundalini. They CAN NOT. You are a LIAR and any initiate in ancient mysteries know that. "Occultist gay order"??? Well, Adolf Hitler was homosexual and belonged to the Golden Dawn, the same black magic order, that Aleister Crowley was member. And Hitler was sodomized several times in satanic rituals, to launch their Kundalini down into the infra dimensions of nature, so that he could wake his consciousness in the absolute evil, what actually happened.

What it's pretty obvious here, is that gays and gay-supporters twist everything they can, in attempt to diverge people and prevent them, on seeing what they REALLY are. Those who know the ancient mysteries, EVER fall into their deceives. I hope more and more people start to fight the evil, instead accept it."

Ataboy now you are showing your ignorance.

Hitler! A member of the of the GD? well that was news to Regardie and all of the other GD people. The GD a black Magic order!!!!! I was at several GD conference held by academics in the 80s and never ever heard of such twaddle. Anyway don't get heated. I eagerly await your proof off all your allegations against the GD. However the GD finshed as an order in the 20s . Mathers would never have tolerated Hitler. He could hardly barely tolerate Crowley after a time. I would say your knowledge of the GD is zero!

Here is a fact about gnostics (apart from you) They are intellectual magpies. They have to be. Once they have a piece of knowledge they want to find more and see how they fit together. Hence my notion of adaptation. Once it is withoin one's personal taste eerything is permitted. If these gay guys have got a working tantric system for themselves then who am I to criticise? I applied the tests and tghey passed. End of story!

How much hatred have you spread with your ideas? Where is your humainity. Do you want to see more queerbashing?? How long have you been a practical gnostic? You act like a teenager.

White and black occultism exist on a continuum. Do youunderstand that?? At both ends lie non-humaniosm. I always describe myself as a grey occultist as someone inbetween two extremes.



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This of course flies against the modern science of brain scanning. There are women who have male brains and are hetyerosexual and there are men with female brains who are heterosexual. I doubt that many here have found themselves looking after babies but you can become "MR MOM".



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by Pinkarella
I think the OP really needs to seek professional help. It sounds like there is an older male in his past has abused him. Sorry . Seems there is just too many flags in his post that indicates molestation. Sad really

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It also looks like there maybe a few more people on this thread dealing with some unresolved abuse issues. It's not ok to hate any group of people, period! Just look at the past to see where that path leads.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 07:05 PM
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If the cartoon is like you say then I would not support it.
It's just that some people see a "gay" agenda everywhere.
Cross-dressing is one of the oldest forms of humor, and can be found in everything from Bugs Bunny to Cow and Chicken. One could take clips from there and say there is a gender-blurring agenda, when it's clearly just for a romp and a belly-laugh.
At Shakespeare's time women were not allowed on stage (a custom still found in some very religious countries) so all the female roles were played by men. Was this an evil gay agenda? Certainly not; it was a patriarchal tradition.

In India (from where the OP gets his terminology) the hijras bless births and weddings. The devotees of Lord Aravan are men dressed as women and are married and widowed by their god every year.
So from that tradition the "third gender" (who can dance for men at highly gender segregated functions) is very auspicious.

According to some Christian fundamentalists kundalini energy is regarded as demonic possession.
So that in itself can also be dismissed as evil, and part of a Satanic agenda (see the books by Rebecca Brown, e.g.: Prepare for War).
Tantra is only one way towards awakening kundalini. There are non-sexual methods too.
The devotees of bhaki-yoga would point out that it is not the most appropriate form of spiritual practice in our age of the Kali Yuga. But, each to their own path.

A lot of negative male rape can be found in patriarchal systems that precede any gay political movement.
It is widespread in gender segregated religious systems where older men have access to young men and boys.
It is also rife in violent homosocial systems like prisons
Bizarrely such institutions have a wide social acceptance amongst the moralists and homophobes.


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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 11:25 PM
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Geez, this is the second homophobic rant posted in the last few months! Who are you people and what are you trying to do to my beloved site?? Go back to your backwoods, inbred lives and leave us to discuss more noble topics. This 1950's anti-gay stuff is boring and, quite frankly, passe.



posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 12:28 AM
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I made an account just to put in my piece on this....really disgusting thread.
I applaud everyone here who actually believes in civil rights. I applaud all those that recognize that only a few decades ago, a very similar discussion was waged between the activists for civil rights, and the hateful individuals whom had declared that inter-racial love and sex was immoral for the same zeal those on this board claimed makes homosexuality wrong.

Today, 2010, perhaps these individuals who hate the idea of homosexuals having rights find inter-racial relationships to be alright. (Some, unfortunately, may espouse similar hatred.)

Now I have to ask the individuals that have claimed being gay is wrong...for reasons I've read here ranging from some ridiculous things like...ancient hindu tantric mumbo jumbo...to good old fashioned christian hate from people who dont understand what carbon-dating is, and if they dont believe the world is round, still think it is a laughable few thousand years old..(dinosaurs must be your evil New World Order design too huh?)

And so I pose to these blackhearted monstrous people...a simple question:

Did you choose to be born with the color hair you have?
SImple Mendelian genetics shows these dominant and recessive traits determine these simple attributes..not ..obviously..our conscious decisions. As if in the womb you had a clipboard and a list..and checked off what color you were...your hair..eyes..etc.

In the same concept..if you arent such a fundamentalist that you disavow those simple genetics..
You also must realize that you did not choose to be whatever color your skin is.

Now I ask you..if youve followed this far,
If based on these simple facts your could have been born with an infinite number of different traits..
If you can possibly understand that you did not choose your genes. Than realize you could have been born Muslim as a child in Afghanistan, or Buddhist...Hindu...Or perhaps a follower or Thor in the Norse history of Europe.

Same concept, been born with the gay gene
(Follows is a link to some of the most solid evidence of its existence: ^ Mustanski BS, Dupree MG, Nievergelt CM, Bocklandt S, Schork NJ, Hamer DH (March 2005). "A genomewide scan of male sexual orientation" (PDF). Hum. Genet. 116 (4): 272–8. doi:10.1007/s00439-004-1241-4. PMID 15645181. mypage.iu.edu...)

Now, your God, is simply that. YOURS. Born in any other circumstance or time, your feelings on morals would easily be different.

Now that FALLIBILITY, is the greatest evidence of your foolishness! You refuse to scientifically admit that your perceptions are SWAYED by your cultural upbringing.

Now I'm sure you, the one reading this, and ignoring these facts to think of some blackhearted retort about how morals are morals and wrong is wrong.. but you are blind to see that what is wrong to you, born in those different circumstances..would then be right to you.

Believing in ULTIMATE right and wrong is your issue to grapple with.
Yes some things are always simply good or bad..murder..theft..these are social meems that Dawkins the renowned Evolutionary Biologist might enlighten you on.

But to call being Gay as WRONG, is as singularly obtuse as calling an inter-racial couple wrong. As calling a Muslim wrong if you are christian..As calling a right-handed person throwing a baseball with their left hand as wrong.

The last point is a joke..but it reinforces my point on the frivolity of all of your hateful arguments.

In conclusion my blackhearted readers...

The world and the tide of time is against you. Gays may now serve in the military. They may get married in 6 states. This will only spread..because the Majority of Americans * let alone the people of many other western countries* are clearly as per recent polling not on your side.

They are on the side of what is right.
And speaking of morals..what is more moral for you blackheart?
All men and women being equal, born the sum of their parts, and living to contribute as the human beings they are regardless of age sex orientation color or creed...
Or, that there are the right people..you and yours..and the wrong ones..and the wrong ones are all going to hell..or immoral because of their natural predilections..

I hope that if one black hearted person reads this, and even has one second thought about hating homosexuals..let alone blacks or jews...or whatever..
well..perhaps I am too naieve at my age.

As a young gay man, in a healthy happy 3 year monogamous relationship, I am not immoral. I am a pre-med student in America. I am a patriot. I served my country in the Army for 6 years. And I love my country and I love the people in it, because I believe that like civil rights did for the black men and women in this country in the past, we americans have the incredible ability to grow and mature and understand eachother in the values before of the constitution.
That all men are created equal.
Even you and I.

-CL



posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 12:52 AM
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But to call being Gay as WRONG, is as singularly obtuse as calling an inter-racial couple wrong. As calling a Muslim wrong if you are christian..As calling a right-handed person throwing a baseball with their left hand as wrong.
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I would have to disagree!

We have all reached this point in evolution by the birth of children through the union of male and female relationships. If a person has a different religion, country of origin or has a different skin colour is not the same as homosexuals.

Yes, I'm sure it has always been in life but it was kept in secret. The Romans had heroms where one man was pleasured by many women and the women pleasured eachother. This was not accepted in society in general though because it would effect the birth rate of the nation. Every nation required numbers in population to defend the borders.

The reason why it is accepted now is to slow the worlds population growth down as we have become like a plague to mother nature. Everything we do these days effects plants, animals, environment and ourselves.



posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by tiger5 in response to Anunnaki Bastard

Anunnaki: "It's a blatant LIE!!!! There's no "adaptation" in occultism. There are white occultism and dark occultism. PERIOD!! There's absolutely no "adaption". Or you are in one or in another. It's a nasty, filthy and disgusting LIE to say that homosexuals can raise Kundalini. They CAN NOT. You are a LIAR and any initiate in ancient mysteries know that. "Occultist gay order"??? Well, Adolf Hitler was homosexual and belonged to the Golden Dawn, the same black magic order, that Aleister Crowley was member. And Hitler was sodomized several times in satanic rituals, to launch their Kundalini down into the infra dimensions of nature, so that he could wake his consciousness in the absolute evil, what actually happened."



Tiger5: "Hitler! A member of the of the GD? well that was news to Regardie and all of the other GD people. The GD a black Magic order!!!!! I was at several GD conference held by academics in the 80s and never ever heard of such twaddle. Anyway don't get heated. I eagerly await your proof off all your allegations against the GD. However the GD finshed as an order in the 20s . Mathers would never have tolerated Hitler. He could hardly barely tolerate Crowley after a time. I would say your knowledge of the GD is zero!"

SeaWind: Tiger5, I actually have to agree with you on this. The Golden Dawn was NEVER a Black Magickal order. The original Golden Dawn ceased to exist in 1903. There were offshoots that continued the GD rituals/training for many years afterwards. One of the GD magicians, Dion Fortune, carried on in the Stella Matutina -- she allowed Israel Regardie to be initiated/trained in the GD rituals (this was after he left Crowley). Regardie always considered himself to be GD, not a Thelemite. In 1937, Regardie published the GD rituals. Many of the offshoot orders began to seriously disintegrate after that. In the 1980's, Regardie started a GD temple with Chic Cicero. (Bear with me -- I know this is more info than you want.)

In any case, the Golden Dawn did NOT have rituals that involved homosexual sex.

Hitler was NEVER a member of the GD. We know for certain he was a member of the Thule Society. If he belonged to another secret occult society, it's not really known for sure. The top of the SS was deeply into the Occult. It's possible that Hitler may have been a member of the "Order of the Black Sun" -- the core of the SS.

Hitler HATED homosexuals and had them murdered along with Jews & other "enemies of the State."

As far as I'm concerned, I don't think Hitler needed any Occult help in being evil. However, there's lots of garbage info on the net tying the Golden Dawn with the Neo-Nazis. I think this is where Anunnaki is getting his info:

golden-dawn-robert-zink-chic-cicero.blogspot.com...

I simply canNOT believe Cicero is a Neo-Nazi. Israel Regardie was a Jew (or at least both his parents were born Russian Jews.) Much defamation of the Golden Dawn online.

Tiger5: "... If these gay guys have got a working tantric system for themselves then who am I to criticise? I applied the tests and tghey passed. End of story!"

SeaWind: I still stand by my statements that a celibate homosexual can achieve enlightenment thru traditional yogic means. Homosexuals can have their Kundalini awakened. I KNOW homosexuals that have awakened Kundalinis. In fact in Left-hand Tantra, anal sex between homosexuals is used to awaken the Kundalini -- but this is really to capture the power released in such an act for goals that are not necessarily spiritual.

But I also agree with Anunnaki that the specific technique of Maithuna cannot be used by homosexuals -- requires a yoni and a lingam.

Tiger5: "White and black occultism exist on a continuum. Do you understand that?? At both ends lie non-humanism. I always describe myself as a grey occultist as someone inbetween two extremes."

SeaWind: I agree with you wholeheartedly on that. What is pure white & pure black in this world? All various shades of gray (or grey, if you want to go Brit).

Actually, Anunnaki's OP opened up all kinds of interesting topics, if you can side-step the flamers.


edit on 23-12-2010 by SeaWind because: to clarify who's being quoted.

edit on 23-12-2010 by SeaWind because: to remove a redundant quote.



posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 02:34 AM
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This of course flies against the modern science of brain scanning. There are women who have male brains and are hetyerosexual and there are men with female brains who are heterosexual. I doubt that many here have found themselves looking after babies but you can become "MR MOM".


Tiger5, you are slanting this very controversial research to support the your own homosexual purposes. Much of this work on the DIFFERENCES between brains in men & women is theoretical:

medicaleducationonline.org...

SeaWind




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