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Sodomy (pronounced /ˈsɒdəmi/) is a term used in the law to describe the act of "unnatural"[1] sex, which depending on jurisdiction can consist of oral sex or anal sex or any non-genital to genital congress, whether heterosexual, or homosexual, or with human or animal.[2]
Originally posted by JR MacBeth
Interesting ideas in this thread, but not all that "new".
The occult "connection" between power, derived from sexual "energy", specifically of a homosexual variety goes back to ancient times, when such a thing was not so controversial. Recall that one of the most powerful figures in history, Alexander the Great, is generally accepted as having been primarily what we would call "gay" today. He may have enjoyed sex with both genders, but when it came to the serious and emotional relationship, history suggests that the great Alexander "preferred" men.
More recently, Aleister Crowley re-explored some of these issues, along an experiential path that indeed led him to the conclusion that there was something literally "superior" (from his perspective) in gay sex, vs. hetero.
It's why he launched the 13th level in the OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis) after he had successfully taken over the leadership. Almost a hundred years ago, it was an extremely controversial move, and the lodges in Germany fought back, causing a "schism".
As an agnostic, I really don't care about what an old dusty book might say about this, or that, but there might be something to the ideas that Crowley seemingly discovered (rediscovered).
As far as an "agenda", such a thing would then be at least be more logically "possible", if we first noticed that some portion of TPTB had "beliefs" about this sort of thing, perhaps also being based on actual experience.
Another way to say it might be, if at some point in time, the people who really ran the world (behind the scenes) had achieved some "critical mass" (not necessarily a "majority") of their members preferring homosexual sex (for whatever reason) over hetero sex, it wouldn't be unreasonable to see some manifestation of that in the world they are running.
I'm not sure that has to be "controversial". Clearly, gay individuals who have climbed the ladder, in whatever their pursuits, perhaps should be expected to further an "agenda", based on the fact that they have walked a particular journey. At least on the micro level, that should make sense, but as we zoom out, it seems that such a thing could also make sense for those running the world.
Is that automatically "bad"? Depends on your point of view. A Christian might easily be seen to have an "agenda", perhaps someone who has experienced some life journey that causes them to be Billy Graham. All of a sudden, we see the person on TV. Doesn't automatically mean that a hidden hand gave the guy a lift, could just be he was a good talker, and got popular.
I can see it different ways I guess. Anyway, from the occult perspective, the few things I have read do indeed indicate there at least "could be" something more than meets the eye.
Is there? Like so may of these conspiracy things, you would have to make a study of it, and weigh the evidence.
Of course, with the issue being so emotionally charged, it would take a rare individual who could objectively look at whatever was found. Interpretations can really screw things up you know.
Not my specialty, but as far as the occult connection, I find it interesting.
JR
Of course, most people in the West do not take sorcery seriously.
Originally posted by JR MacBeth
reply to post by SeaWind
Of course, most people in the West do not take sorcery seriously.
YES, exactly! No one wants to take things seriously, most especially when the subject matter is so far off the beaten path. Instead, anyone touching on the subject might be automatically labeled the "enemy", and they carry-on with their own agenda, never even trying to learn anything.
I mentioned Crowley, not because he is some paragon of intellectual wonder, but simply because he seems to have been a sincere "explorer" of these perhaps "dark" matters. Whatever else he was, he left us a legacy that went far beyond the ludicrous gay/straight battle going on in this thread.
But as always, a certain amount of objectivity, dare I even say "humility" is required to be admitted, even into the outer precincts of the Temple of Knowledge.
Regarding the OP, I would have no possible way of knowing where the person is coming from. He could be morally wonderful, or reprehensible, but in either case, that is hardly relevant to the valid points raised, that are being utterly ignored. Could we have a better spokesperson to introduce such matters? Probably. But I try not to judge so much on a "moral" basis, as we are all far less than perfect.
SO, that still leaves the OP's question (s). Perhaps I can put them in a less emotional manner:
Is there a kind of "power" in sexual acts (homo or hetero), for better or for worse?
Is there an "agenda" to raise the gay or homosexual lifestyle to a more accepted status, with perhaps nefarious purposes as a motive?
Are those we call the "Illuminati" behind such a thing? If so, why?
Is it because many of the Illuminati are homosexuals themselves, or because they see some kind of advantage in the promotion of a gay lifestyle?
Etc.
Hey, I'm an agnostic, who has a number of gay friends / business associates. I would never want anyone I know to be harmed in any way by any of this, even if unwittingly.
Are there things going on that we just don't know that much about, especially here in the West? I would prefer to keep the door open.
Years ago, my mother worked with a lady who was from Jamaica. In that land of sea, and sun, there are also things that would seem quite odd to the strict rationalist.
Long story short, the lady's sister became very ill, and doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong with her. She was actually dying. Desperate for answers, they finally turned to a woman who was what might be called a Jamaican "witch", who told her that it was highly likely there was a "cursed" item in their home. "Yooo git rid of thee coorsed thingy, and yoo git rid of thee coorse!!"
These people launched a search, turned everything over, looking for who know's what. Eventually, they found a horrible looking, very dark and shriveled "bean" that was found deep in one of the couches! They took it to their witch, and amazingly, the sister posted a marvelous recovery.
Personally, I tend to think that the power of the mind is far greater than we dare imagine, and yet, could there be other things going on? I do wish I had more details about this story I heard in childhood, so many years ago. With both my parents dead, I would have no way to try and get to the bottom of this crazy story.
SO, I keep an open mind. And as "evil" as Aleister Crowley might have been, he also seemed to keep an open mind, and seemingly discovered things that perhaps "someone" out there, who enjoys incredible power, has listened to.
One thing I "know". Reality is much stranger than fiction, and closing ourselves off from things that don't measure-up to our preconceived notions, is no way to go through life.
JR
Originally posted by Char-Lee
I have one thought on this matter, that is the number of children now being adopted by gays and lesbians.
I was raised without a father and as a female I know i really missed a lot, I did not even learn to understand a male and when my son was born, he was so different then my daughter I was puzzeled by him all the time.
We need a male and female raising us to produce balance...it is important for many many resons and i think we are short changing these children even if they receive love.
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Originally posted by stealthc
lol the op's ass chakra was out of balance ever since his baseball coach taught him how to handle the bat.
Seriously though, they have medication for people like the op here, who should keep their ignorant homophobic opinions to themselves. You are the excuse as to why the system wants to shut down freedom of speech, you empower them to use that excuse. How sad. And if you get your way the next target will be you, who are likely a fat, overweight, aspartame indulgant slob (the average american).
Originally posted by Hahaha
You have made a valuable point. That is, not only are people being conditioned to accept abhorrence, they are also being brainwashed into believing that discrimination against Christians for their beliefs is completely acceptable.
Originally posted by SeaWind
2.) "Is there an 'agenda' to raise the gay or homosexual lifestyle to a more accepted status, with perhaps nefarious purposes as a motive?"
SW: Yes, there has been a definite move to "sell" homosexuality to the people in the West. It's been going on for decades, but it's becoming more blatant. Children are now being indoctrinated in elementary school. You can see from the majority of responses on this thread the "selling" has been very effective. Homosexuality is now perceived as "kewl" by the majority. Mission Accomplished.
Originally posted by SeaWind
Aids to their control of the masses is the dumbing down of education, the destruction of the family and traditional values. (ADDED here) There is also a move in the West to legalize ALL currrently Illegal Drugs -- heroin, crack coc aine, you name it. Creating masses of addicts who must get their State-controlled fix, is a brilliant move by TPTB. Talk about herds of people that can be easily controlled. It's a "kewl" idea among the young. California should be the first state to go. It's the bellwether (the sheep wearing the bell that all the other sheep follow) state.
Originally posted by stealthc
reply to post by MaximumTruth
If people don't tell you your whole life how wrong it is, then more people will try it out and find out that it isn't evil feeling in the least, at least not till your whole notion of being in a romantic, dedicated and monogamous relationship gets shattered by the gay community... before the VERY SMALL few that actually get that achieve it chances are they've already been broken or come extremely close to it a bunch of times. The attitudes of other gay people work to indoctrinate people who are gay into this lifestyle, and they work to hush and divide the voices of people who just want to be gay without the accompanying freak show.
BTW your advocation of trying pedophilia is a vindictive parallel drawn by two totally un-relating topics. Most gay people are against pedophilia, they just don't speak out about it for fear of being ostricized by the elders of the gay community whom hold a lot of power or influence over if someone is in it or out. The same thing with bathhouses, there's a lot of us who think they are disgusting, but if we speak out about them we must be against the gay community.edit on 20-12-2010 by stealthc because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by tiger5
Wow now someone finds a 13th level in the OTO well Crowley must be spining in his grave. The OTO only has an 11 degree initiatory system.
The chakras and sex are a huge esoteric topic and things have become standardised in the west but the number of chakras vary according to lineages. Some acknowledge only 4.
Homosexuals can raise kundalini and can become excellent psychics. The OP has read a little and imagined a lot!