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Christians, Jews and Muslims - A Simple Question

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posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 05:29 PM
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well I would say it was around long before atheism was even a word and long before Atheism has been trying to 'steal' it. so that in itself should say something for the superiority of his particular philosophy.


It may not have been a word or even a word in the public arena but there were still people whom opposed Theism and were skeptical of it's extraordinary claims and hence lacked a belief in said theory of intervening God's/Supernatural entities etc.


as I have stated and established in other topics about Atheism in general being thieves and trying to latch themselves onto any thing they may be able to usurp or add to their doctrine (as observed in nature and on the internet)


What? What are you babbling here? Atheism doesn't have a doctrine. It doesn't have dogma - Atheism doesn't "latch" onto anything, it's simply a stance in a discussion or arena or debate; in essense; it's opposed to theocracy by the same means at which it takes its stance of Atheism; which derives itself from Agnosticism (i.e. provide me truth, knowledge ; evidence....empirical, irrefutable evidence)


I am glad for these values did come from somewhere and firstly I might add... Hitler I am sure felt he was his own God too just as the jet-setter Darwin.

Well what a very ignorant sentence right there. Atheism doesn't inherently mean "Evolutionist" or even "Darwinist". Hitler had a political ideology. He didn't do what he did in the name of Atheism. There is such a thing as a racist Atheist, he's not racist because he's an Atheist. This argument has long since been defeated. Educate yourself on Hitler.(Christopher Hitchens on Hitler)

You don't even have to believe in evolution to be an Atheist (but this calls your Atheist stance into question if you don't value evidence in order to assert a belief)

Just because 1 Atheist does something bad doesn't demean the Atheist argument any less.

Hitler was a Roman Catholic in public, by the way. Some with the Theistic mind may even bring Stalin as an example of bad "Atheist morality". Stalin didn't act in the name of his non-belief, he had a political ideology.

On the other, look to the middle east, states governed by God who think stoning women is a punishment worthy of appeasement, what kind of God allows this, or instructs this, oh wait, the God in the Qu'Ran..............Now that's people doing horrible acts in the name of God. This can never be done by an Atheist, if he commits an atrocious act - be it on his ., not Atheism's.


actions speak louder than words my friend...


I still stand by my viewpoint that Atheism is the morally superior stance. It's courageous enough to say we don't know what created our universe, or if the creation/causation theory is even definate, but lets be civil, let's be compassionate, we're all intelligent, we all understand empathy, let's be nice basically. We can be good without god, and many people are.

Anyone who says we need a holy warrant to be "good" is saying without "God's" doctrine they wouldn't know that rape, murder and theiving was a bad thing or considered socially undesirable. That without "HOLY" guidance, they would be out there committing these atrocious acts.

One of my favourite quotes just highlighting the stupidity of organized religions:-


“Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know".
Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"”


Thanks, and until another time - Goodnight.
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posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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regardless, my point is Atheism being a belief system, based in deism of the self... (idolatry)

and in fact it is a religion in terms viewed by the rest of the globe, of which 92% being a system based in something other than Atheism... go a. attempt to steal or latch onto Buddhism and prove us right


Atheism is in fact very odious to the rest of the known planet, even to those who are not speaking the same language as we are now.


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posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 06:08 PM
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based in deism of the self...


Wh...i won't even bother.

LOL here. I'm sure you slipped an appeal to a majority argument in there too (92% or something... i reallly don't know)

Theism = possitive assertion, burden of proof = on them.

I don't tell someone to disprove that Leprachauns exist, "the prove a negative" argument is a fail, please learn this.

Magical teleporting multicoloured unicorns exist....you don't believe it? PROVE your disbelief!!!! Hmmm, not nice is it?

On that note, good bye.

P.S. I really have no idea what this "respected foe" thing is, but i'll take it as a compliment that you added me... i guess



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
regardless, my point is Atheism being a belief system, based in deism of the self... (idolatry)


Which is incorrect. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in any theistic or deistic claims. Atheism = no gods



and in fact it is a religion in terms viewed by the rest of the globe, of which 92% being a system based in something other than Atheism... go a. attempt to steal or latch onto Buddhism and prove us right



How is a single position on a single claim a religion? And now you're at 92%? You previously claimed 99% of the global population is theistic. Anyway, even if everyone else thought it a religion, it still wouldn't be one. Just like if the world agreed that bald was a color of hair, they'd be incorrect.



Atheism is in fact very odious to the rest of the known planet, even to those who are not speaking the same language as we are now.


Except for in places like Sweden, Norway, Japan, Finland, England, France, Taiwan, China, Russia, Vietnam etc etc. And were the world to view atheism as odious it would still not amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world of ours, it would just be a sign of intolerance and bigotry.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 07:06 PM
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maky... try explaining that to the rest of the unenlightened planet who thinks the Atheists are preaching only one doctrine, the doctrine of self.

it is totally unacceptable and this type of ignorance must be eradicated from our humanity, I guess the Atheists really had some kind of good laxed life growing up in already established societies.

alot of the rest of the planet is not doing so well in case they didn't notice... but they are ignorant of this fact and think everyone should be, or are just like them.

atheism is nothing more than idolatry of the self... the evidence is overwhelming


edit on 12/27/2010 by Cosmic.Artifact because: broken 'T' key hobnobing on ATS hardcore.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 07:20 PM
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alot of the rest of the planet is not doing so well in case they didn't notice...


If you look around, you'll see disgusting things performed by men who think they are doing "God's will" Look at northern ireland, the palestinian conflict. All regarding religious prejudice.

Name me a few bad acts you have seen done in the name of Atheism.

Atheism is not ignorant, quite the opposite, it has a lack of belief due to the lack of evidence in the Theory of "GOD". Were you to present me evidence of God i would renounce my Atheism as i am honest.

Most atheists you will find are altruistic, we are NOT all self-interested "sinners", you know?
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posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 07:40 PM
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I believe Atheism to be causing a backlash directed at America, Britain and Canada... also other anglophone countries in response to the arrogance engendered with Atheism.

I just think personally it is causing more problems than what it is worth, Monotheism should be a unity of faiths but Atheism gives Islamic reasoning consideration. I wondered "why they hate us" just as the cover of time magazine posed in a certain issue and I believe I have found the source... Britain is getting it bad and they happen to be the Majority of the followers of the doctrine of self.

It is an important topic to me and I realize I come off with strong words but in no way do I feel I am doing Gods will, in fact I am sinning expressing it, but for humanities sake I must and for the future of mankind and our unity.

respecting all religions is one thing that is not on an Atheists agenda...
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posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
I believe Atheism to be causing a backlash directed at America, Britain and Canada... also other anglophone countries in response to the arrogance engendered with Atheism.


Thats actually a really interesting proposal. I had not personally considered that until now (which in hindsight is a bit silly).

Thanks for throwing some chum into my think tank



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:00 PM
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If there were no rules and the atheists were in charge, why do I have the sense that I would be forced to recant of my gnosis, under threat..?




posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:00 PM
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I mean do the Atheists really expect to strip all the planet of all religions seriously ? cummon now, they think Christians are bad ? as if they are not getting a large enough dose of Islamic extremism as it is.

that I find just silly, unenlightened and narrow-minded. I happen to have interacted with many races living in my country which everyone falsely claims is secular... of course all this internet English tongue dribble coming from Atheists.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:06 PM
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If there were no rules and the atheists were in charge, why do I have the sense that I would be forced to recant of my gnosis, under threat..?



exactly... it is happening now and as you read this. People are waking up...

have any of you seen me direct any such statements to any other religious group in any of my responses ? I have shown nothing but respect to others individual groups, Hindu's, Sikh's, Buddhist, Agnostics, Islam, you name it...

the Atheism group commands no respect...


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posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
maky... try explaining that to the rest of the unenlightened planet who thinks the Atheists are preaching only one doctrine, the doctrine of self.


Try demonstrating that the majority of the planet thinks that, then demonstrate how this has any bearing on the facts of what atheism actually is, namely the lack of belief in any deity. Where is the implication in not believing in a deity that the self is primary?



it is totally unacceptable and this type of ignorance must be eradicated from our humanity, I guess the Atheists really had some kind of good laxed life growing up in already established societies.


You know who else thought something they thought was poisonous should be eradicated from humanity?

Anyway, what is unacceptable about atheism? How is it an untenable position? Why is it ignorant? Now, the other crazy thing is that the reason atheists are primarily found in established societies is because those are the societies where you don't get your life threatened (as often) by your neighbors or government for being an atheist. Even today, an Egyptian who would come out as an atheist would be subject to death threats, as would be the case throughout the African continent.



alot of the rest of the planet is not doing so well in case they didn't notice... but they are ignorant of this fact and think everyone should be, or are just like them.


Yes, I wonder why Bill Gates, an atheist and one of if not currently the richest man on the planet isn't doing anything about it...oh wait, he is through the philanthropic organization known as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

Now, I'd also point out the work done by atheist journalists and other political activists, many of whom I've listed to you before, but I'm sure you'll ignore that as well, so I'll just move on. I'm an atheist, I'm aware of the suffering in great portions of the world, and I'm doing my best to help. I'm not a particularly wealthy individual, being a University student, but I try to give the precious resource of time to further causes for education and AIDS prevention in Africa. I'm also a big supporter of Project Peanut Butter, a delightful charity which is run by the father of a former classmate of mine. I'd encourage those on here to donate if they can.



atheism is nothing more than idolatry of the self... the evidence is overwhelming


Alright then, please show me the evidence. Where is it? I'm looking through all of your posts on ATS...and nothing comes up.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
I believe Atheism to be causing a backlash directed at America, Britain and Canada... also other anglophone countries in response to the arrogance engendered with Atheism.


Then why isn't it being directed at Scandinavia? Scandinavia is more atheistic than any other part of the world and is most definitely not anglophonic.

Now, you may believe whatever you want, but that doesn't make it true. You have to provide evidence for it in order for it to be anything more than ignorant bigotry deserving of copious ridicule.



I just think personally it is causing more problems than what it is worth, Monotheism should be a unity of faiths but Atheism gives Islamic reasoning consideration.


I'm sorry, but that's just not true. Please, demonstrate how it is true.



I wondered "why they hate us" just as the cover of time magazine posed in a certain issue and I believe I have found the source... Britain is getting it bad and they happen to be the Majority of the followers of the doctrine of self.


Once more, please demonstrate to me how atheism is 'the doctrine of self' and demonstrate some sort of population statistics that show that Britain is the nation that contains the majority of atheists. I know you won't be able to do this, because Britain has a population of around 60 million, while worldwide atheists number between 500-750 million. If every person in Britain were an atheist, they still would account for about 10% of the atheists worldwide.



It is an important topic to me and I realize I come off with strong words but in no way do I feel I am doing Gods will, in fact I am sinning expressing it, but for humanities sake I must and for the future of mankind and our unity.


So you admit to lying? Because that's all you're doing here. What is the danger of atheism? What's the danger in simply not accepting one of many unproven assertions?



respecting all religions is one thing that is not on an Atheists agenda...


I don't respect any of the religions. The problem with your statement is that I respect the rights of all individuals to hold whatever beliefs they wish, so long as they do nothing to enforce their beliefs upon me through force, harassment, or law. Or, as Thomas Jefferson so wonderfully put it:


But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782


Of course, why should we listen to that guy?



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:43 PM
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my own snarky post removed as I don`t want to become like them, and reject that way of thinking and being, sorry for any inconvenience.


edit on 27-12-2010 by NewAgeMan because: snarky reply removed for the sake of Civility.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
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I mean do the Atheists really expect to strip all the planet of all religions seriously ?


Nope, we expect individuals to eventually come to doubt religions on their own. We simply wish to provide resources for them to access at their leisure. I mean, you brought up Britain, it's a nation with a state religion. Yet it has a lot of atheists. Seriously, we'll let religion crumble on its own.



cummon now, they think Christians are bad ?


As a whole? No, they're decent enough people. Their religious beliefs on the other hand, particularly certain apocalyptic beliefs held by a major portion of the Pentecostal community...



as if they are not getting a large enough dose of Islamic extremism as it is.


Yay! Implied threats are fun.



that I find just silly, unenlightened and narrow-minded. I happen to have interacted with many races living in my country which everyone falsely claims is secular... of course all this internet English tongue dribble coming from Atheists.


America is a secular nation. It is a secular nation made up of people of a myriad number of religions and those with no religion at all. But the nation itself is apathetic to those differences. It respects people's rights to be religious or to be not religious.

And once more there is the claim that atheists all speak English. And once more I will ask you again: Where is the evidence that the majority of atheists are English speakers?



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:45 PM
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No, no you wouldn't. We'd allow you to have your beliefs, so long as you didn't try to force them upon others with illegal action.

To quote Jefferson with the same quote I gave to C.A



But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782


My thoughts exactly, Mr. President.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:50 PM
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I'm sorry, but how is someone who provides billions of dollars of charitable funding not a good enough example? How can you deny that someone who has decided to devote his life to doing his best to save the world not good enough?

Or are you just an Apple fanperson?

I mean, I could provide all sorts of examples. Would forerunners of feminism and women's suffrage be good enough?
Here are
some.
What about a dude who was close friends with Gandhi and introduced him to the works of Throeau?

I mean, I can come up with quite a few.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:52 PM
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We've become a 'them' now? I'm sorry, but my own snarkiness is in response to the massive amounts of idiotic bigoted drivel against atheists that has been found on this board as of late. Though typical snark is meant to be all in good humor, here it is a sanity defense.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
exactly... it is happening now and as you read this. People are waking up...


I'm sorry, but where are atheists violating other people's human rights? Yet another ignorant claim that I require more evidence for.



have any of you seen me direct any such statements to any other religious group in any of my responses ? I have shown nothing but respect to others individual groups, Hindu's, Sikh's, Buddhist, Agnostics, Islam, you name it...


Nope, but you haven't shown any indication of being bigoted towards them.



the Atheism group commands no respect...


Atheists are not a group! We have nothing in common save for one item: no belief in any deity. We don't hold to the same economic doctrines, philosophical ideas, scientific views, moral views, etc. We simply don't believe in any deity. It's one thing.

And yes, we do command respect. Why? For the same reasons any human being commands respect. If you can't figure those out than humanity is lost to you.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 04:23 AM
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Clear reason and argument doesn't seem to work, i've tried.

Peace, and thanks for posting.



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