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Hi Sauron - just noticed in your profile it says Subject Matter Expert.

I'm curious - in what area?

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I started reading a few books about the subject quite a while ago, at that time I took everything they said as fact. However i've grown to take a more neutral stance. I believe there is alien life out there, the probability for it existing seems overwhelming. However I'm more skeptical when it comes to most of the stories i've read about aliens visiting the planet. Whether just flying over, mutilating cattle and touching their bits, abducting us, i like to hope not touching our bits, staying in underground bunkers or anything else. There seems to be no hard evidence of it being aliens. In the case of the books and posts i've read, they seem to twist the evidence towards the case that aliens are the perpetrators or that aliens definately were there. A lot of people seem to assume the thing behind a UFO is an alien which in my opinions seems one of the least logical and I have yet to see anything convincing. Although i don't rule anything out and like to stay open minded.

Also I can see why the government would find alien conspiracies useful to them and this is what I believe lies behind most of the strange UFO's seen and even abductions, if not hallucinated/dreamed. Almost gives them a monopoly-esque get out free card for testing new technology.

How about you sbct? I would feel enlightened to hear your beliefs on the subject and would like even more to hear of a personal experience, if you've had one. Not too intimate I hope, although whatever floats your boat.

Originally posted by Erekose
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I started reading a few books about the subject quite a while ago, at that time I took everything they said as fact. However i've grown to take a more neutral stance. I believe there is alien life out there, the probability for it existing seems overwhelming. However I'm more skeptical when it comes to most of the stories i've read about aliens visiting the planet. Whether just flying over, mutilating cattle and touching their bits, abducting us, i like to hope not touching our bits, staying in underground bunkers or anything else. There seems to be no hard evidence of it being aliens. In the case of the books and posts i've read, they seem to twist the evidence towards the case that aliens are the perpetrators or that aliens definately were there. A lot of people seem to assume the thing behind a UFO is an alien which in my opinions seems one of the least logical and I have yet to see anything convincing. Although i don't rule anything out and like to stay open minded.

Also I can see why the government would find alien conspiracies useful to them and this is what I believe lies behind most of the strange UFO's seen and even abductions, if not hallucinated/dreamed. Almost gives them a monopoly-esque get out free card for testing new technology.

How about you sbct? I would feel enlightened to hear your beliefs on the subject and would like even more to hear of a personal experience, if you've had one. Not too intimate I hope, although whatever floats your boat.

Well, my beliefs hinge more on my military career when it comes to this subject than anything else. I have seen quite a few extraordinary technologies I never thought to exist, much less be imagined during my time in the service. Some things I can discuss, others I can not. Of course, the more lucrative the information the more restricted I am in disseminating it. I will give you a few anecdotal experiences in this post to give you a much more learned perspective of my views.

2008, Mid Year, Location : Iraq, North of Najaf - I was being ordered to carry out a task of recieving sensitive information from a building I had never been in before. It was unmarked and the doors heavily secured, more so than the shoddy buildings surrounding it. It had a very nondescript look, no logos of the unit that occupied it as most buildings do, nor where there signs convienently labelling the CoC occupying it. In essence, it had the look of a storage facility that contained nothing of value, or anything to be proud of. Upon entering, I was immediately taken back by just how many flat screen televisions were in the building, how well climate controlled it was, and what amazed me most was what the flat screen televisions were broadcasting. They were basically broadcasting an entire city's worth of live feed, high resolution camera footage from hidden cameras, public cameras, blimps, UAV's, Helicopters, combat optic gun sights, and some I couldn't name or process. I saw images panned, zoomed, people identified in the blink of an eye with a dossier on them just as fast next to their picture complete with fingerprints (though some lacked certain information as well). I was in the room for all of ten minutes while I waited for the documents I was to hand carry back to my superiors to be carried to me. I signed some paperwork for them and was promptly escorted by two soldiers out of the building. What seemed the most strange to me was the lack of any air conditioning unit outside the building, save a single unit. There was also only one powerline to it and it seemed like no network capability. Conclusion? I know much less than I ever thought I did about our government's capabilities.

Well that's more on the military factual side, though it's purely my own words against your ability to believe. Here's something a little more esoteric in nature.

2005, Winter, Location : Apartment in Texas, Influences : No controlled substances for greater than 72 hours - After a normal day by any relative meaning of the term, I retired to bed. My wife and daughter of under one year were in the other room with no more than a foot of construction separating us as they were in the other room watching television still widely awake. I awoke with a strange sense of being paralyzed, and moving at the same time. My body vibrated violently inside and I began to feel myself separate in such a way as I felt two sensations/beings/selfs at the same time. I will have to explain two existences, though keep in mind they are happening simultaneously to me.

Existence One : My body vibrated more violently than all the earthquakes of the world, I felt as if unseen forces were grasping the very core of my being and pulling me to the one side as another force pulled me to the other. I had the sensation of being thrown to my right side as if one side lost it's grip and then regained it and pulled me back to center. My neck snapped to the right side and back again. During all of these sensations, I experienced a pain that I cannot describe in words it was so great. It was as if the earth itself was projecting the worlds pain onto my body. Every part of my body was screaming for help, but no words came out. I wanted to cry, but no tears. I wanted to beg, but I could not move my arms. I was paralyzed totally and completely and saw my body fail to obey my own commands which only furthered the spiral of fear and hopelessness.

Existence Two : A massive calm seemed to reassure me that all would be well and this was something that had to happen, though unpleasant, it was very necessary. My mind's eye took over this existence and though I was aware of what was occurring (or really lack of since I was paralyzed) I began to drift through the wall and look down upon my family and felt a great sadness for their future. In that sadness there was hope for better things, though I could not fully understand why. Just seeing them reassured me that whatever darkness was having it's way with my body, I would not leave my loved ones tonight. I was filled with a sensation I have not since felt. This sensation is best described as if the whole worlds love took a detour through me, all the compassion touched my soul before it met it's intended target and I felt connected to every living being on the planet, and possibly the universe. The vastness was opened up to me and love poured in, I felt more powerful than I have in my entire life, but in such a way that it was totally pure.

It was at this time that everything seemed to return to a relative normalcy. I could still not move, look around, scream or even control my own thoughts. All I wanted to do was scream for my family and call for help. It seemed an eternity I sat there while the entire room started to fill with a foreboding cloud of darkness. It was not black, though it surely darkened everything it touched. It was opaque in nature and pulsed with energy. I felt the heaviness of it as it approached, like it was gravity and the nearer it came the more it weighed on my being.

It was just before it touched me that it froze, after consuming everything in the room except myself. I was floating but still aware of where I was. The universe had fallen away and yet everything was there. I felt alone but something kept me grounded. I felt imbued with hope in the face of hopelessness.

Something walked out of the cloud, and at first it seemed to be a visage the cloud itself produced. I strained to take it all in and realized that the cloud could not touch this visage, though it made every attempt to consume it. The visage turned into, and stay with me here, the rabbit-man from Donnie Darko. I am making it very clear at this point that which hand held which item is probably important in some way, though I have not figured it out thus far. The visages left hand held a ceremonial dagger already dripping with blood that spoke volumes of death to me. I noticed this dagger and became fixated on it at first. It was my death. I tried to scream and run, wake up or close my eyes but I could not. I was fixated against my will on this dagger. Finally, after that fear had just about ruined me, I felt directed at the right hand. In this hand was not an orb, though that's the best description I can give. It was shapeless though it seemed to gravitate toward a spherical shape. It surged with energy and the cloud immeditely dispersed to the farthest corners of the room, it's light seeming to chase it away to the recesses. It was at this time I knew the visage as Jesus Christ, and just s I realized this the orb pulsed and projected all of it's energy into my very core. The pain was worse than anything previously described and since felt. Everything went white and I awoke trembling exactly as I had last remembered myself during this episode. I ran into the other room with my wife babbling and a total wreck. I was crying (and that is very unusual for me as since birth I have cried not more than five times, three of which were very oddly reasoned). I have weighed the reasons for this 'Sleep Paralysis', vision, dream, nightmare, message from God ever since that day and it has had an enormous impact on my life.

As far as aliens go, I believe that the chaces we find life are far greater than not. The answer to the question will always be maybe until we do find alien life, otherwise it can never ben truely answered. I theorize that we will create new life before we find it. I believe that our government will peddle false claims of aliens to carry out agenda and I ultimately believe that the answer to the question matters little compared to the question of wheter we can ever be a peaceful planet.

Tying this into my belief that we should spread to stars like a benevolent virus on all creation hinges on our ability to not pervert it with war, greed and entitlement. I only hope we can resolve our differences instead of project them onto other worlds.

Finally, I know I have given you a lot to read, and hope that you read every word for I put quite a bit of time into this reply. Normally I would give a shorter version of events but felt that you would appreciate this experience. I'm sure you'll notice that the military experience is much shorter than the esoteric. The reason for that is merely that it is much harder to describe the latter story and I felt it was the most important to share no matter the difficulty in telling it, I hadn't planned on such a long winded reply, but then became bound to it. Such is life.

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