Islamification of Britain.

reply to post by facchino


without a written constitution in one single document i do feel that we are out in the open and vulnerable to
external pressure. i remember the sharia topic surfacing many years ago and i was quite concerned about
it's practices from what i had read regarding punishments imposed on both sexes within certain sharia dominated countries.
in the event of a sharia punishment occuring within the uk, for example cutting off of a hand, this would cause that much uproar, the streets would be packed around parliament square with protesters demanding immediate cessation of this and other practices.
i believe in integration and respect for all citizens if they respect the laws of the land they stand on. i feel that we
all need a written constitution to abide by rather than dispersed documents and loosely held statutes where one would sift for hours attempting to make sense of what is relevent and what is obsolete.

i agree this needs to see the light of day without bias and bigotry.
take the honour killing custom for example. i would be satisfied if all who carried out these crimes were brought to justice in the uk courts to the fullest extent. it is murder plain and simple and any immigrant who wishes to live and work within the uk must be made aware that what customs their original country of origin imposed on their peoples do not stand here under penalty of prosecution.
furthermore i remember david cameron stating the the human rights charter was giving too much consideration
to criminals and that he would look into changing it's status. i have heard nothing more on this.
for all who wish to live here wouldn't it be correct in saying 'abide by our constitution or face the consequences to the fullest extent of the law'.
meanwhile the politicians will continue to avoid this hot potatoe until it directly affects their chances of re-election.
the balance between the state and the individual is as equally important as the balance between individuals.
regards f

reply to post by mr-lizard


www.dailystar.co.uk...
Thats the link to the choudary part, if you meant the bit about the EDL, its on our page on Facebo0k.

reply to post by facchino


Fantastic post sir, couldn't of put it better myself. I even tried to 'star' it twice!

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reply to post by fakedirt


Yes there is no doubt something more concrete should be done..

Thing is, even if David Cameron did implement this Bill of Rights - unless we come out of Europe the European court could always overturn any rulings at odds with the Human Rights Act from Europe, so is almost entirely pointless.

I have signed this petition because I feel that hopefully this group are at least doing something.
One law for all
I have also wrote to my MP and the deputy home secretary around 4 weeks ago - no reply received yet so I am going to contact them again very shortly.

Somehow it has to be addressed - however I wonder whether it ever will be or we will just coast into the culture I dread, and then its too late.

The truly frightening time will be when an incident involving a muslim and a non muslim ends up being settled in a "sharia" court, because the muslim kicks up so much of a fuss some judge who is so detached from reality rules that it breaches his human rights to not be tried following his precious Sharia Law and then we will be finished.
Cases have already been heard involving muslim/non-muslim but they were not done at the insistence of the muslim.
www.timesonline.co.uk...

This website is the Islamic Sharia council of Britain (it has a UK phone number) I found within it the kind of advice that is exactly the kind of thing that does entirely contravene UK law - because if a husband is demanding sex from his wife who is a non willing partner, then married or not that is rape. Sex must be consensual in the UK.

Islamic women denying husbands marital rights

Interesting page with some good advice, treat your partner with respect etc etc - however the part that alarms me specifically:

Narrated by Abu Hurayrah that the prophet said, "if a man calls his wife to his bed and she does not come, and he goes to sleep angry with her, the angels will curse her until the morning." Agreed upon. This narration should be enough to make any woman pay heed to the severe warning by the prophet that the angels curses are upon those who do not respond to husbands sexual needs because the purpose of a woman is to fulfil that and for that they are made in order to produce offspring. We also know that Allah does not rejects supplication made by angels as they are His closest creation who are always praising and glorifying Him.

The womans purpose is to fulfill their husbands sexual needs. Obviously in any marriage sex is an important part, but one that should be formed from mutual desire and love - NOT from the obligation that a woman is there to service the husband when he demands it or be cursed. Dont need to add anything to that really speaks volumes all by itself.

Originally posted by fakedirt
for those with concerns on here regarding integration and what they see as a potential
tipping of the scales towards the muslim communities, i ask four things.


2. are you prepared to recognise that what the msm are publishing regarding extremist behaviour on uk soil
sells newspapers,creates fear and amplifies bad feelings and hostility towards the innocent peaceful
muslims who do exist in the uk?

It should also be pointed out that the Islamic community should be standing up and condemning the actions of the extremists and they are not.

3. are you prepared to consider yourself mis-informed and as such by posting others as well as your own
opinions are inflaming tensions and quite possibly contributing to a scenario where further hostility
and violence are shown towards the innocent peaceful majority of muslims?

So I should be 'careful' of what I say on the internet because a nutcase might read my posts and react in a violent manner? I am not responsible for another persons actions just because I have quite legitimately posted my own opinions.

4. are you prepared to grab your passport, fly to a muslim country and see if you can hack it on your own
to either reinforce or alleviate your concerns?

I have been to a Muslim country and due to being female I was unable to leave the hotel at night or be seen drinking alcohol in public, on the whole I was less than impressed at the restrictions placed on women while the men were free to live the lives they wanted and to be lecherous with it.

an isolated, confused individual with mental health issues attacks an innocent bystander which leads to death.
this individual then cites the justification of his actions to a poster on a discussion board.

I think in this case the Mental Health teams in his/her area would be more to blame than someone posting on the internet.

in every country,society,religion etc there are scumbags. they are the minority who seek to destabilise
the majorities peaceful standing within their communities. they need to be scrutinised and actions taken
against them if it is found they are causing distress to others.

It is the 'scumbags' that we are talking about here, the ones that are inciting racial hatred not the peaceful Muslims.

btw many different faiths fought alongside our soldiers in the world wars and received little if anything
in return.

The incidents revolving around the poppies were numerous and despicable and offended many people not just Christians.

A friend of mine has a 13yr old daughter who was badly beaten up after school by a bunch of Muslim children after she wore a remembrance day poppy, nothing was done about this by the school or the police although my friend went to extremes to try to get some justice for her daughter. The girl and her mother are black and are not Christians.

Born English in the mid 1960s.

Naturalized US citizen since 1999. Yes sir I took the cowards way out. Saw the writing on the wall. Live in the TN/MS region.(Why ? Because ridicule the South as you may, but they haven't forgotten what neighborly means for the most part.)

Got to say every time I visit my remaining parent and sister and brother I become more and more disheartened by what I see in my birth nation.

The US is far from perfect but it is at least 30 years behind Britain on the bell curve of cultural identity destruction.

Originally posted by Noncompatible
Born English in the mid 1960s.

Naturalized US citizen since 1999. Yes sir I took the cowards way out. Saw the writing on the wall. Live in the TN/MS region.(Why ? Because ridicule the South as you may, but they haven't forgotten what neighborly means for the most part.)

Got to say every time I visit my remaining parent and sister and brother I become more and more disheartened by what I see in my birth nation.

The US is far from perfect but it is at least 30 years behind Britain on the bell curve of cultural identity destruction.

Wouldn't the easy way out be to convert to Islam?

reply to post by facchino

hi facchino
apologies for my absence on the board, i am having multiple logistic issues at the mo.
regards to your statement on a written constitution i agree that the duality and the over-riding factor from europe leaves us more or less in the dark. an absolute field day for lawyers and the like!
i concur this needs addressing. i have concerns that sharia would eventually override our already burdened legal system.
the snippet regarding the husbands power over the wife for sexual purposes is not compatible with the western view of marriage. my general feeling is if sex is not truly consented by both sides it is indeed a sham and a narcissistic act.
many thanks for the links. when i plough through them i will consider any further replies i post.
regards f

reply to post by Versa


hi versa
indeed the muslim communities should be voicing their disapproval of extremists. empty vessels make more noise comes to mind. i feel true integration and education is the key to any peaceful society. an agreement system should be implemented i feel that reflects the obligations expected of immigrants who wish to live and work here. the laws of uk statute should be the prime consideration and the culture they have left, secondary.
i respect your right to post your opinions 100%. my concern is posters stating violent views that could be interpreted as a general consensus and as thus cause some individual to act contrary to any peaceful intentions.

i personally do not agree with the restrictions imposed upon women. however when i am in a muslim country, i have to respect their culture and laws. this is my choice. if i was to voice my distaste of their system, i would find myself being escorted to the nearest airport. that being said i feel that this should be the case when any muslim or any other person with strong religious views visits the uk or any other western society.

i posted many moons ago of the fact i have witnessed both western males and females flirting with muslims within a muslim country. one particular british 20ish male was over friendly with three muslims. they began touching his legs,stroking him etc. the male was giggling and obviously unaware of their intent. it got to a point where he left the area on his own. these men followed him so i followed behind them. it was dark and as soon as i heard him scream, i ran and confronted them. knifes were pulled and i found myself witness to an attempted rape. i lost it and became aggressive towards what i could only describe as dribbling dogs. during the standoff, two security service personell appeared and disarmed these men. i was apologised to by the services who informed me that if i have not of kicked up such a # storm, they would not of heard anything and would of carried on playing cards,listening to music and smoking. the lad was bruised,cut,crying and violently shaking so i agreed to keep an eye on him whilst the others were dealt with. the lad refused to press charges(don't blame him really) and as i engaged him in conversation it became clear to me he was out of his depth travelling on his own. i questioned his reasons for being there to which he replied he wanted to make friends with everyone.
the next day the security services invited me to lunch with them and during that time they informed me they had been in contact with the british embassy and it was arranged that he would be flow back to the uk asap.
furthermore a female was assaulted and had her arm broken due to flirting and wearing inappropriate clothing.
i met her at the consulate whilst renewing my visa. she obviously knew nothing of their culture or mindset and was also in the process of leaving asap.

i disagree with the mental health statement. with services being cut back and the like, many unfortunate individuals simply fall through the safety net. the care in the community policy is seriously understaffed and their caseloads overwhelming. i know this as fact. my point was hypothetical and has merit. in a court of law the prosecution would look to external factors of influence as would the defence and if the defendant stated that he read a thread where others were inciting violent behaviour towards others, it would be admissible and furthermore quite a worrying development with regards to an already under attack net freedom.

i agree regarding the scumbags. they should be brought to book.

it saddens me to hear an innocent got hurt by others through their intolerance of our society. as i stated earlier scumbags need to be brought to book at all levels without the fear of offending an external belief system. sadly this will continue until it is addressed.
uk law must be such that it is in the best interests of all citizens to abide and uphold.
regards f

I am not an Islamophobe. It is unfortunately the funamentalists that are causing all of the problems with their Wahabiist take on Islam.

The trouble is that there is something rotten in Islam and it is these Wahabiists that are the cause. The most recent Swedish bomber was chucked out of his mosque. So things are being done it is difficult to eradicate it.

Many of these guys have accepted western values but then slipped back into fundamentalism.

reply to post by tiger5

hi tiger5
regarding the troublemakers, i would say they want the best or worst of both worlds and when confronted with their recipient countries laws simply scream injustice to get their way. this is quite unfair and i believe when this comes to a head, many law abiding citizens will take to protesting for the law of the land to override any other imposed statute or external law.
regards f

Originally posted by Subhuti

Wouldn't the easy way out be to convert to Islam?

No it would not. That would be the fools 'way out'. I avoided the issue rather than surrender or fight. I had the option to do so. Not everyone is so lucky.

reply to post by TinFoilHatMan55


Polls recently have shown that the UK is becoming increasingly non-religious.

I don't think anyone needs to worry about the UK endorsing and being ruled by Shariah Law or any of the other irrational fears associated with Muslim immigration.

Indeed,

You Brits need to start standing up for your own culture and values instead of letting Muslims walking all over them.

If you don't stand up know, then you will soon live in a Sharia state.

reply to post by Steam


if you could point me in the direction of our culture, i will see if i have any connection to it! when one speaks of english culture, the only things sadly that come to mind are dozens of beer swilling,staggering pisscans attempting to better the next man on the testosterone front with the ladies rolphing the evenings celebrations all over someone elses kebab. as far as i am concerned, we british have no culture only the perception media and government seem to want to inpress on us all for tourism purposes.
f

Most of these posts have given me hope that people are finally waking up to the absolute threat of Sharia and radical Muslim politics taking over Europe and the UK mostly. What pleases me most is the credence given to the posts I made 18 months ago about these subjects. I was called all forms of a racist, Islamophobic, misinformed fool. Looks like I just happened to be right! More need to wake up and smell the camel and goat dung!
Zindo

Originally posted by fakedirt
reply to post by Steam

 

if you could point me in the direction of our culture, i will see if i have any connection to it! when one speaks of english culture, the only things sadly that come to mind are dozens of beer swilling,staggering pisscans attempting to better the next man on the testosterone front with the ladies rolphing the evenings celebrations all over someone elses kebab. as far as i am concerned, we british have no culture only the perception media and government seem to want to inpress on us all for tourism purposes.
f

What you mean Wassailing, Mumming, Morris, Jack-in-the-Green, Lammas, Bonfire, Badge Day, Dancing up the Dawn etc are all figments of my imagination and that I dream going to these events and sharing them with my fellows..

Wow, I dream good dreams, you'd be impressed with my dream of the 3 mile long Grand Parade in Lewes on the 5th.. or the dreams of the yearly 10 week long series of bonfires that celebrate our traditions and culture..

reply to post by thoughtsfull


i give in to the honourable member for the replies he has given. (went outside and gave my head a shake). but sir/madam i'm from up north and when i was a kid the only culture we had was playing golf in the back street with a stick and all available dog poo!
still the only culture i can see at the mo was the one i nearly stepped in after driving home from work today!
as an entire nation i am at a loss to describe our culture unless it lives in small pockets here and there waiting to be discovered.
f

Originally posted by fakedirt
reply to post by thoughtsfull

 

i give in to the honourable member for the replies he has given. (went outside and gave my head a shake). but sir/madam i'm from up north and when i was a kid the only culture we had was playing golf in the back street with a stick and all available dog poo!
still the only culture i can see at the mo was the one i nearly stepped in after driving home from work today!
as an entire nation i am at a loss to describe our culture unless it lives in small pockets here and there waiting to be discovered.
f

Which I think is a really sad reply... and in my heart of hearts know that is truthful..

I consider myself to be on the fortunate side of the fence, I really do, it might sound naff but the stubbornness of bonfire council has played a large part in the continued survival of our culture and traditions in Sussex.

But you are right it only exists in pockets... which is really sad.