A threat assessment for planet Earth

With some of the discussion going on it is important to understand the situation before jumping in. You are on this site so you must have some clues that all is not what it seams. I and others have spent a while researching this, so lets enlighten the situation. If wikileaks has taught us anything, it is that the government lies. While the mainstream media will generally not show these lies, thanks to the internet they are there if you look. So what are these lies?

1/ The Federal reserve has been a bad boy and recently created 9 trillion dollars without congress approval and passed it off to the international banking community, as well as assisting insider trading and other deceitful actions.
2/ While the appearance the the global financial collapse is over and history, it is not. There have been some regulatory improvements since but many of the underlying problems are still there. The bailouts approved by congress have helped keep the creditors at bay, for a little while.
3/ The derivatives market is currently valued in the quadrillions of dollars (more money than what is in the rest of the world), while having no real assets. Basically it is just a big casino, some also describe it as a pyramid scheme in the way it is managed.
4/ The national debt is so high that just servicing the debts interest is becoming untenable. With congress blocking the next round of bailouts there is no money for January's debt obligation. When a county goes bankrupt this means revolution. If you do make it past January then you have a lot to thank China for as wall street and other bankers continue to rip off. The military and other spending has also contributed.

So with very limited over site and significant conflict of interests in how the economy is managed, it is stuffed and only really held together by a pack of lies at the moment. Have you heard of the wikileaks insurance file, the Bank of America it tipped to fall. What would happen if we had transparent access to all of the banks records? As for how and why, the answers are around but it has been a long and conceded effort with some incompetence thrown in.

Ok, economy falls, change the government, make a new currency all good? Not yet. 9/11 is a thorn that just will not go away. I cannot say it better then in the presentation '9/11 Blueprint for truth' video.google.com...# . If you are here you must of heard about 'truthers', if not you will soon enough. The name 'truther' says it all. A movement that is growing bigger and stronger, tired of the deceit, diversions and lack of transparency. They want answers, not lies and will not stop until they get them. While Osama Bin Laden was the first suspect, they have drafted up a more realistic suspect list.

Ok, end the war, get ride of some bad apples, all good now? Nope. Industry has not had it's turn yet. The big one is oil, but there are many others with the profits over lives and the environment attitude. Remember cold fusion? it works. Heard of people driving their cars on water? some do. Zero point energy? that too. The only reason we hang onto oil is for the military and the banks, the real terrorists. The people, economy and the environment is much better off with out it.

Ok, no more gas stations, are we done yet? We have not even started on the big stuff. Life, more importantly our real place in the universe. UFO's... I don't want to spoil the big surprise for you, but if you have been astute you know something is going on. How much swamp gas and other pathetic debunks does it take to realise the media lies. Millions of sightings world wide over the years, some on camera, video, radar and close up 'n personal. We have all had to make our own judgements on this one, but the evidence is there if you look.

Ok, so we make some new friends and/or enemies are we done? We are when you learn about the relationships and links between all these problems as there is some overlap. You cannot take one unless you take them all. Conversely, bring down on one and they will all fall. This is what I see when I remove the lies from our perception in the search for reality. How much different would life be if it was not for a few powerful people who decided to suck the life out of this planet instead of contributing to it as much as everybody else does? This why people are angry when things are made so much harder than what they really need to be, when they learn just how deep the lies go. Wikileaks presented an amazing window of opportunity between two different worlds, one in which we remain mushrooms on a dying world, another where we face a reality with more potential and opportunity than what we thought was possible. All we have to do is confront the reality.

The next question is how? The floor is open for discussion.

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Star & Flag for you, Kwakakev. More people should read this.

We're living on smoke & promises -- waiting for the House of Cards to collapse.

SeaWind

I would consider myself aware & open to the alternative realities that lie behind consensus reality, but even I am shocked at the scale of deception. Every time I learn a little bit more, & place another piece to the jigsaw puzzle, this gets bigger & bigger. God knows how the average Joe could even begin to digest this stuff. It will take a random unorchestrated event or incident to shake wider society into asking questions, & I wonder if that would be like the first thread that starts to unravel it all.

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We're living on smoke & promises

There is still a lot that is real in our lives, but yeah, a fair bit of illusion as well. Deception has been a part of nature for a very long time. Once you become aware about it does get easier to spot but can still be very tricky at times. If we are to enter the galactic neighbourhood then I expect will need to get a lot better at it to have a chance.

waiting for the House of Cards to collapse.

I hope not, it is why I started this thread. We all have to proactively and responsibility work our way through these very difficult challenges if we are to keep it all together. The thought of things going back to the dark ages really sucks.

reply to post by CarpenterMatt


Yep, I had plenty of those days during the research. It can rip your heart out and shatter it into a million pieces. You have reassess everything you once believed in. But it all grows back stronger, smarter and tougher.

reply to post by kwakakev


Greetings. A star and flag for a very astute post from a knowledgeable standpoint and a non biased opinion. The Federal Reserve is a pet peeve of mine, and I have been spreading their agenda far and wide on the www. I hope Ron Paul has his way and bans it, and all of the Central Banks, for good. Only the Treasury has the Constitutional Power to coin money, and gold and silver is the only legal tender for debts. Look it up if you doubt me on this.

The national debt is so high that just servicing the debts interest is becoming untenable. With congress blocking the next round of bailouts there is no money for January's debt obligation. When a county goes bankrupt this means revolution. If you do make it past January then you have a lot to thank China for as wall street and other bankers continue to rip off. The military and other spending has also contributed.

I have to agree that the fake, fiat debt owed to the FED is untenable. The National Debt we all owe is to the FED. For interest on money we have already spent. Making money from debt is a long time banking agenda, they do it with derivatives and other baning tricks that the common man cannot understand. All we can really do is two things:
Support the Restore America Plan in every way we can. Put up with the transition period until we Americans can get back on our feet.

Or start an armed revolution and hope for the best, and by that I mean a recognition fro other world Nations in our effort, and with the Military on our side, not theirs.

Ok, no more gas stations, are we done yet? We have not even started on the big stuff. Life, more importantly our real place in the universe. UFO's... I don't want to spoil the big surprise for you, but if you have been astute you know something is going on.

Again I agree..anyone who researches and studies on these things knows something is about to break wide open. I know they are real, I have seen the craft, and touched them, and seen beings from other worlds, or dimensions, whatever that case may be, so not amount of swamp gas and reflections from flocks of birds or weather balloons will server to convince me otherwise.

I can sense something really big, really Earth shattering coming down the pipe, and we will all experience it soon.

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I hope Ron Paul has his way

Ron Paul has been the lone guard on these issues. If he decides not to run for presidency then who ever he supports will have a voice somewhere in the system. I think it is pretty clear on that one. Yeah it is a selective quote but he has been a stand out in these difficult times.

Only the Treasury has the Constitutional Power to coin money, and gold and silver is the only legal tender for debts.

Money has shown to be a effective way to distribute resources and aided in the civilization we have today. The history of it is long and complex but generally evolved as a way for a shepard to get some grain in a fair transaction. This was not much of a problem in older, smaller societies as those who did not pull their weight had peer and self review to help balance the accounts. In today's complex and competitive world this concept of peer and self review has been lost. The next best system I see is that of the award structure we have in Australia. Depending on your skills and abilities a generic pay rate is set. This is still a contentious issue but is the fairest road I currently see. If you work harder then you get more. Those with the highest pay rates have the most responsible and stressful roles. This is my opinion and I expect much heated debate about. As to where money comes from, it must be based on an asset. The concept of supply and demand is also critical as the tulip and other bubbles have demonstrated. I am not an economist, just indicating the most critical elements I see in the picture. Where ever we go, we have to decide and just presenting some core topics for the debate.

The National Debt we all owe is to the FED. For interest on money we have already spent. Making money from debt is a long time banking agenda

If this is correct then why is the interest rate so high? From reports here in Australia, the standard USA big business interest rate was around 0.5%. Why not set it to 0% like Japan if things are so bad. To be honest, I just cannot comprehend the economy around here, like too many other people.

Support the Restore America Plan in every way we can. Put up with the transition period until we Americans can get back on our feet.

The support America Plan has highlighted some very important issues and a time out is needed to asses the carnage and appropriate remedies. I am quite shocked to see some laws that have been implemented and you are trying to defeat. However I cannot approve this being done on the quite, as this is the reason you are in a bad predicament. We the people... We are all in this and we need the best minds and ideas to sort this mess out. We need debate, we need study, we need to understand just what we are dealing with.

Personally I see the biggest problem happened when a corporate entity was assigned the same rights as a human entity. The competition between paper work and DNA is not a fair fight. Profits have clearly won over humanity and the environment. This needs to end.

Or start an armed revolution and hope for the best

This is the time for ideas, not ultimatums. If you want to exercise your prerogative then it is just one more item on the list that need acute care. Reviewing some of the messed up laws that have slipped through the cracks is troubling. Admittedly a large country does need extensive paperwork, but all or nothing approach to lengthy bills through parliamentary had highlighted a weakness in the system.

I can sense something really big, really Earth shattering coming down the pipe, and we will all experience it soon.

Me too.

Originally posted by kwakakev
If wikileaks has taught us anything, it is that the government lies. While the mainstream media will generally not show these lies, thanks to the internet they are there if you look. So what are these lies?


. How much different would life be if it was not for a few powerful people who decided to suck the life out of this planet instead of contributing to it as much as everybody else does?

The problem is not "just a few powerful people who suck the life out of this planet". The problem is also all of the people who support these actions of ruin as well as the lies. These are people all down the chain of the pyramidal hierarchy. They support lies and the ill gotton gain from bloodshed and ruin simply because they are reaping benefits from it. They do NOT want things to change. There will always be loyal supporters of the evil because there is some personal advantage to them and that is more important to them than integrity. Many are complacent with the lies. And even when confronted with the lies they either justify the evil or deny it; they don't want to know the details. They just want to continue in the benefits it brings, living on the spoils of death and war, living on whatever is reaped by raping the planets resources and other people. Other human beings are merely commerce to them.

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This bit really resonates with me:

How much different would life be if it was not for a few powerful people who decided to suck the life out of this planet instead of contributing to it as much as everybody else does? This why people are angry when things are made so much harder than what they really need to be, when they learn just how deep the lies go. Wikileaks presented an amazing window of opportunity between two different worlds, one in which we remain mushrooms on a dying world, another where we face a reality with more potential and opportunity than what we thought was possible. All we have to do is confront the reality.

The next question is how? The floor is open for discussion.

I suspect our representatives and governments confront the reality all the time, over and over - and they can't see any way out. We are dependent on the global corporate economy - they planned it that way. ...Most likely, we have to accept a transitional period into abject poverty, and maybe lawless chaos, before we can rebuild something better.

I'm not sure anyone can lead the way through...

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I suspect our representatives and governments confront the reality all the time, over and over - and they can't see any way out.

We all face reality, but it is quite a strange and complex one indeed. It does take time to understand it, most importantly we must start working together instead of fighting each other to give us our best chance. We need to sidestep what divides us and move towards what unites us.

We are dependent on the global corporate economy - they planned it that way.

And they are dependant on us. Yes, many plans have been made but plans and dreams change. It is a very long and complex history that has grown us all to this time, just keep and open mind when facing the unknowns. The truth can be a lot stranger than what we could possibly imagine at times.

Most likely, we have to accept a transitional period into abject poverty, and maybe lawless chaos, before we can rebuild something better.

There maybe some transitional periods, it is a lot to deal with and will take time. We are going the wrong way for things falling back into poverty, chaos and anarchy. This can be a very slippery slope and a lot is at stake. We need cool heads and understanding. We have time on our side now the deception is fading, yet a lot of people are still yet to learn.

I'm not sure anyone can lead the way through...

We all have to lead each other.

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The problem is also all of the people who support these actions of ruin as well as the lies...

Excellent, very perceptive and your supporting arguments make a very strong case. The psychopath / sociopath is generally characterised by someone without empathy. They are unable or unwilling to consider someone's else point of view for different reasons. They have lost a connection to their identity and need to find their social responsibility. Sure, we all need to survive but we also need to be able to identify with who we truly are. We are defined by our actions and when people are unable to acknowledge this by the fear of what they may see when they look at themselves, the problems continue.

The truth in many of these problems is hidden wrapped up in lies and double speak. When the truth can finally be uncovered and presented to those involved, self defence mechanism kick in due to threats in punishment and the fear of identifying with them self. Some people might say 'Yeah, killing and torture is great', but when they are faced with what these concepts really mean, they are unable to fully comprehend the implications, the pain, the loss, the continuing progression towards destruction. The universe is a big, old place and they need to be shown and understand how it will remember them by their actions.

Originally posted by kwakakev
The floor is open for discussion.

The problem is separation.

We have localization versus globalization.

Individuals make up the corporation.

However individually we prescribe condemnation.

The lie of patriotism caused fragmentation.

Elitism is a human right violation.

A phoenix symbolizes restoration.

The requisite being the ashes of miscreation.

Peace

Good post

Earth = We

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That's the spirit, it does look like out top down approach to the economy will be replaced with a bottom up style so the balance of supply and demand can find it's proper equilibrium again. There will be many changes gradually coming so use this time of uncertainty to asses the things you believe in and find a better way. We need to talk and understand about these challenges on a community, national and global level. This does take time, time we have.

Biggest treat is the Master. 'the Vatican'.
Assemble and march, let our actions echo in eternity. All for one and one for all.

But before this is happening, I have to wait for enough people to really awoken.
Tik tik thats the sound of your life running out.

I know I am ranting, but that's because all needs to end today.

Below is a treat of mine, that brings the scale of the New World Order in sight.
If you embrace this treat and mine as the truth, then we will soon be ready to light up our own candles inside.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

In terms of the Economy there has been one option presented by Benjamin Fulford, a geopolitical journalist living in Japan. benjaminfulford.typepad.com...　

Response to a thread titled 'New Here and I Have a Question About Our Role As The World's Police' www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think it was Thomas Jefferson who said 'That if America is going to be invaded, it would be from within'. And it has happened with the Federal Reserve and IRS both private companies. I see little chance that America will be invaded from a foreign power due to the nuclear MAD policy. If any foreign influence is to enter the shores, then a UN force of peace keepers is the most likely option as independent observers and to help in clean up as the dust settles after another civil war / revolution. American institutions and embassy's overseas may come under attack depending who wins and what country it is in.

If the people behind a lot of these problems want to defend their position then it is time for them to look in the mirror, take responsibility for the consequences of their actions and start helping to find a way through a lot of the serious problems that are affecting the Earth. The corporate culture is known to have a psychopathic / sociopathic culture to it, so going on tv, having a cry and back to work the next day is not going to cut it. Actions speak louder than words and major reform is needed.

Things I would like to see.
1/ Open source implementation of electoral system with fairer, transparent structure
2/ Federal Reserve and IRS back in government hands
3/ End to influence of money in government processes
4/ Removal of all politicians who did not sit through the recent reading of the constitution
5/ End to politicians voting on policy they do not fully understand including all implications
6/ New open and transparent investigation into 9/11 with United Nations support
7/ Disclosure on UFO's and free energy
8/ Integrity restored to Science and Media with end to corporation conflicts of interest
9/ Genetic Modification to come under much stricter regulation of all responsibilities
10/ The corporate and human entities both have basic rights and responsibilities that needs better definition.
11/ To open the workings of the economy to peer review to help build a more sustainable system.

There are lots of reasons why the powers are asking for it, a lot of it can all flow back to ignorance. There is a lot that needs to be considered when running a large corporation and some times it is hard to see the woods from the trees so to speak. Power can do very great things when used properly and very bad things when it is uncontrolled. With all the deregulation going on things are becoming uncontrolled and getting out of hand. One way or another this mess will get sorted out. I am just trying to find the way that makes the most of the potential we all have.

Response to thread titled 'IF' www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you can wash away the fear that grips your minds and face the pain that grips your heart you will find that there is no stronger adversary than confronting yourself. While we battle for trinkets and glory it is the trust that we really want, trust in ourself for standing our ground and trust in our family as we stand as one. If you want to show strength then care for those that look up to you and stand against those that look down on you. If you want to show wisdom then listen to those who disagree with you and agree with those who support you. If you want to show perseverance then keep on trying even after all hope is lost, while hope may hold many keys it does not open all the doors. In a world of infinite possibilities it is your self determination that selects which one.

It has been some time since I first realised there where some serious problems going on with society and fell down the rabbit hole. It has been a long journey through the darkness to get to the problem and feels like I have finally hit the bottom of it with this thread www.abovetopsecret.com...

A great thread OP, one that deserves a look from everyone who calls themselves a truth seeker.

As for the answer though, I'm afraid there isn't one. I think these problems are insurmountable. You can call me a pessimist but at this point I see little to be optimistic about.

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Tesla created free energy for the world and he was systematically destroyed. Still no one is stepping up to the plate with this, even though we can harness that very technology today. Apparentley the world is a stage, the play is continuing to unfold. Though it will mean the demise the much of the world. What is to come is something that most of the entire planet is unprepared for.

Oil is purely a means to control the world.

reply to post by kwakakev

Ok, so we make some new friends and/or enemies are we done? We are when you learn about the relationships and links between all these problems as there is some overlap. You cannot take one unless you take them all. Conversely, bring down on one and they will all fall.

Like a house of cards, it will all fall when the first real thing steps on the scene and with its passing and mere presence the house of cards will fall.

How much different would life be if it was not for a few powerful people who decided to suck the life out of this planet instead of contributing to it as much as everybody else does?

As above and so bellow.

We have not even started on the big stuff. Life, more importantly our real place in the universe. UFO's... I don't want to spoil the big surprise for you, but if you have been astute you know something is going on.

Some are just passing by.
Some are here at this time to feed.
And some are here to influence things and outcomes.
And some to control things and outcomes.
And some to do some experiments.
And some to witness.
And some don't even consider this planet and existence important enough to even bother.
And some are in the mix of it all.
And some are not.
And some care about this and that.
And some do not.

At the end of the day they will all sit around and wonder how it got to this, the place that it will be at.

Oh yes op there are many things going on all around us, and they are all invisible to the majority of people on this plane of existence and planet we call earth.