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CIA chief in Pakistan leaves after drone trial blows his cover

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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 03:57 AM
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CIA chief in Pakistan leaves after drone trial blows his cover


www.guardian.co.uk

It is unusual for the CIA to recall such a senior spy. Station chiefs were recalled from Israel in 1999 and Argentina in 2001 after being identified in the local media. Today, several US media outlets did not name Banks, citing national security concerns. His identity has been widely reported in Pakistan and India.
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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 03:57 AM
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Perhaps there is a lesson to be learn't here. What does stand out is the fact the you allowed such info to be free flowing and then people wonder why such an org is so widely criticized given its past and present actions.

When will they ever learn, perhaps never or perhaps it is time for an internal overview of how one conducts business within a foreign nation.

No ?

www.guardian.co.uk
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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 04:06 AM
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The problem with Pakistan is the country is not united. Half the population is with the terrorists the other half with the Just & right winning side!



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 04:19 AM
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It is evident that Pakistan has chosen to bend over backwards for the U.S. but they obviously have failed to tie up loose ends. Allowing such information is truly damaging and more than likely will have some reputations down the road and we are all aware that those guys do not play by the rules.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 04:35 AM
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i just dug up this head line here in the la times, yet they do not give his name like it is revealed in the gaurdian article..
www.latimes.com...



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 04:49 AM
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It is called censorship, but the name is truly being mentioned within the country.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by tristar
reply to post by phatpackage
 


It is evident that Pakistan has chosen to bend over backwards for the U.S. but they obviously have failed to tie up loose ends. Allowing such information is truly damaging and more than likely will have some reputations down the road and we are all aware that those guys do not play by the rules.


Pakistan has bent over backwards ??
Where ? They were the ones who leaked the CIA chief's info and put up some patsy to sue him. As if those lawless tribals who regularly flog women on the streets and live with their own laws would now suddenly decide to file a class action suit against the US and the CIA ? Ridiculous !! What next, Osama Bin Laden suing the US for attempted murder ?


If anything they have bent over backwards to try to stymie the US and NATO efforts at building a nation out of Afghanistan. The Pakistani Military and Intelligence services are completely working in their own self-interest, which is not the same as Pakistan's self interest. The Pakistani military is openly supporting terrorist groups who fight and kill NATO soldiers. openly giving them training, openly giving them supplies and shelter. And all this with the money the US gives them to fight terrorists !

Anybody with even a perfunctory understanding of Pakistan would never insinuate that the Pakistanis are in any way less than openly devious with us.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 05:24 AM
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Perhaps one should look at the initial agreement between Pakistan and the U.S.. The fact that drones and not only are operating within their nation is simply because they have sold their airspace and not only. As for n.a.t.o., well that was simply because there was an open concern that its nukes might be compromised and if you recall the u.s. openly stated that it will and without reservation protect and transport them at all costs regardless if there were pakistan military units stationed there or not.

Just to point out, when ever and i mean when ever n.a.t.o. is placed into any nation then plans and contingency plans have already been drawn up and approved by the highest authority.
edit on 18-12-2010 by tristar because: spelling



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 05:33 AM
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That agreement only covers, the NWFP and not even all districts of the NWFP. Further, any actionable intelligence the CIA has given to the Pakistanis has been used by the Pakistanis to actually warn the terrorists that we know about them and we are coming for them. The Pakistani have openly always refused to sanction the drone strikes and have in fact often demanded prior notification of done strikes.

Their absolute reluctance to go into North Waziristan and kill terrorists who are actively staging suicide bombings in Afghanistan and planting IEDs is just another long string of reasons to demonstrate their utter and total nefarious support for these terrorists.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 05:44 AM
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You should remember one thing when referring to those boys from the c.i.a., they can be easily described as the Trojan Horse used in the Trojan War. One should be extremely careful when playing ball with those psychopath's.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 05:46 AM
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Originally posted by phatpackage
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The problem with Pakistan is the country is not united. Half the population is with the terrorists the other half with the Just & right winning side!


Which side is which??



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 05:58 AM
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Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by phatpackage
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The problem with Pakistan is the country is not united. Half the population is with the terrorists the other half with the Just & right winning side!


Which side is which??


Perhaps this might be of help
pakistan.foreignpolicyblogs.com...



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 06:06 AM
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Which side is winning, is not as important as the ethics behind how they are winning. You can win battles by deception guile and cunning, but you cannot win WAR that way. War must be fought with bravery , determination and not from a position of saftey (as in the case of drones). The only way to fight and win with honour, and in a manner which is permanent, and does not create backlash, is to do it the way Britain fought in the second world war. By charging down the barrel, and regardless of the danger, gutting, detonating, perforating and destroying the occupying Nazi forces with sheer skill and bravery, rather than sitting nice and safe in a bunker, while thousands of miles off, some robot does your dirty work, while you sit in an erganomic chair, with a carefully designed bit of computing equipment in front of you.
Winning from the shadows, from a hiding place, is not acceptable, and does not promote respect in the enemy, nor compliance from non combatants. It promotes anger, and fear which are both tools which terrorists use to do thier own work. It is obvious that these drones promote and inflame the problem , rather than solving it.
With regard to this US CIA chief... he should be left to swing in the breeze if you ask me, and I would say the very same if he was from the UK and part of MI6. Filthy underhanded scumbags who do not fight like men but like pathetic shadow dwellers, have no business to expect protection from a government who should be denying all knowlege and carrying on as normal, let alone expect to be flown home and given a fresh start in life. Shameful.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 06:29 AM
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I truly respect what you are referring to as far as ethics is concerned, but one should not forget that we are speaking about a war and although countless times on all sides regardless of nation a war is fought to be won and not to be ethically bound.

Also would like to add, the mere fact that these are being controlled thousands of miles away is simply how war in modern times is being fought. What if at this point i would say that in the next generation of drones will not be launched from terrestrial bound stations but from orbit. I bet that sounds weird but it is a real life scenario and everything but scifi. As you also mentioned the ww2, well that was then and this is now. War is something one should not be proud of, but in times and under certain conditions it is a necessity that is unavoidable.

As for the chief, he obviously was compromised and what is utterly unacceptable in my view is that he was placed in that position without his units in place to protect and respond to impending outcomes. The onus falls upon his units and his ability to effectively seal any possible threat to the structure in whole and not as an individual.
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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 06:34 AM
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The US defense minister's name is also in the law suit.

This is great news for justice.

These terrorists should be arrested and hanged.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by oozyism
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The US defense minister's name is also in the law suit.

This is great news for justice.

These terrorists should be arrested and hanged.


Yeah, GREAT NEWS for JUSTICE !


I would only wait for Pakistani Justice AFTER they prosecute those terrorist masterminds who killed 180 odd people in Mumbai during thanksgiving or if they can't hand over the masterminds to the Indians to prosecute.

Apparently, the expedience of bringing to justice CIA officers and other "infidel" Americans who are doing the JOBS to kill actual terrorists is just so much more important!



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by IAF101
I would only wait for Pakistani Justice AFTER they prosecute those terrorist masterminds who killed 180 odd people in Mumbai during thanksgiving or if they can't hand over the masterminds to the Indians to prosecute.


They were LET operatives of the Pakistani ISI, all funded by the CIA. One of the surviving gunmen even said it in custody afterwards. The operation was carried out in order to derail peace talks between Pakistan and India, because that would mean less arms deals which the CIA benefits from (since it funds their black ops there). ISI and the CIA go hand in hand.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 07:47 AM
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The AP report




posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 10:56 AM
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Tristar, it does not sound at all strange that there is a possibility that war will be fought from space in the future. However, I would hope that any nation likely to launch space based attack and defense tools, would be prevented from doing so by an overwhelming lack of public support, or an overwhelming citizen uprising against the horrific advances made in military science, and the frankly unacceptable gap between military technology and that which is available to the public.
The private citizens of a nation ought always to have the capability to strike down an unrepresentative, and disobedient government, and the further the military pull away in terms of thier technological capability , the less likely a sucessful civilian take over is.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 03:48 AM
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Originally posted by IAF101

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by tristar
 


The US defense minister's name is also in the law suit.

This is great news for justice.

These terrorists should be arrested and hanged.


Yeah, GREAT NEWS for JUSTICE !


I would only wait for Pakistani Justice AFTER they prosecute those terrorist masterminds who killed 180 odd people in Mumbai during thanksgiving or if they can't hand over the masterminds to the Indians to prosecute.

Apparently, the expedience of bringing to justice CIA officers and other "infidel" Americans who are doing the JOBS to kill actual terrorists is just so much more important!


Indeed, lets kill not only all the americans but all christians infact, why stop there, lets kill everything that does not conform to our way of life and religion. Pakistan reminds me of how Iraq was back in the 80's, tight allies with the u.s. against that evil communist block and then suddenly 30 years down the track, that same allie was invaded its leader hung and a new way of life introduced or should i say imposed upon its citizens or whats left of them. I guess a lesson is to be learn't here. Do not bite the hand that feed you.





Mohammad Ajmal Amir Qasab, 22, the sole surviving gunman, was found guilty on charges including murder, waging war on India and possessing explosives. The attacks left 174 people - including nine gunmen - dead, and soured ties between India and Pakistan. India's home minister said the verdict was a message to Pakistan that it should not "export terrorism to India". India blames Pakistan-based militants Lashkar-e-Taiba for the attacks.

After initial denials, Pakistan acknowledged that the attacks had been partially planned on its territory and that Qasab was one of its citizens.

news.bbc.co.uk...


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