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9/11 - I have seen little evidence beside that of non experts, that the US gov DID IT

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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 09:20 AM

Originally posted by c0ldPhr34k
I am amazed that so many people on ATS have the opinion that 9/11 was committed by the US government.

It's not just on ATS. It's also millions of people in this country, and millions more from every corner of the globe.

Originally posted by c0ldPhr34k
When one site says it was not Thermite but a small nuke people jump ship.

I'm not sure which site you're referring to, but the 9/11 truth movement has always believed that explosives, along with a thermitic incendiary, were responsible for bringing down 3 buildings at the WTC. The 9/11 truth movement has never subscribed to the "nuke" theory.

Though there may be a few individual "truthers" that peddle the "nuke" theory, the research organizations that include the scientists, scholars, architects and engineers, do not subscribe nor give credence to the "nuke" theory.

Any kind of real research on your part would have revealed this fact to you.

Originally posted by c0ldPhr34k
I have read on here about the way the buildings fell, yet without knowing 100% what caused the building TO fall you can not calculate anything because you do not have all the facts.

That's exactly the reason why at the very beginning of the NIST report it states that their report cannot be taken as factual, nor be used as evidence in a court of law. NIST used guesses, theories, and made-up computer simulations to show how they think the buildings collapsed.

Thus, your official explanation is also a conspiracy theory, unproven and nothing more.

Originally posted by c0ldPhr34k
I have seen on ATS the same people state one thing and then when a new better theory comes along they adjust their story to that new perspective.

Would you happen to have an example you can point out to everyone to back up your claim?

Originally posted by c0ldPhr34k
Then we have the people who use what the US was planning to possibly do to Cuba decades ago as CONCRETE proof that they were going to adapt it to create 9/11.

There are many similarities between "Operation Northwoods" and 9/11. The fact of the matter is that the military industrial complex has concocted such unimaginable plans in the past, that it's not unthinkable for them to have created and executed such a plan as 9/11.

Originally posted by c0ldPhr34k
When will this type of talk come to an end?

When those criminals who orchestrated and carried out 9/11 are brought to justice. Or never. Whichever comes first.

Originally posted by c0ldPhr34k
All the evidence has to point to the same conclusion to reach an end result, NOT multiple conclusions.

All the evidence has always pointed to 3 WTC buildings being brought down in a controlled fashion. The only way that could be possible is if it was an inside job as WTC 7 was one of the most secure buildings in New York City.

You don't find it the least bit coincidental that the most highly contested state in the 2000 election was that of George Bush's brother's? Bush had to become president and his brother Jeb made that happen.

You don't find it the least bit coincidental that the buildings that were brought down in a controlled fashion had their electronic security provided by a company that another Bush brother, Marvin, sat on the board of directors, and was operated by another Bush family member?

Yet another Bush family member, George Bush's cousin, worked in the South Tower and was going to be giving a meeting there on the day of 9/11. However the night before, he moved the meeting to the Millennium Hotel across the street.

Too many Bush family members were in key positions leading up to 9/11. That in and of itself is a conflict of interest.

Originally posted by c0ldPhr34k
One minute the US Gov did it.
Next the Jews Did it.
Then Israel.....then the "Elites", then the Muslims.

The 9/11 truth movement has always professed that it had to have been the military industrial complex of the U.S. government as WTC 7 was one of the most highly secure buildings in all of NYC with many U.S. government offices inside.

Whether Israel or the "jews" had a hand in 9/11 is not very relevant. It still would have to have been carried out by people within the military industrial complex.

Individual people who spout about Israel this and "jews" that or not representative of the 9/11 truth movement, nor are their conclusions agreeing with the evidence.

Originally posted by c0ldPhr34k
One min its thermite, next its a small nuke, next its tiny explosive all over the building.

Thermitic material was found in the WTC dust by more than one independent scientist. It was also found in more than one different samples of dust. That means that the science is repeatable and provable.

As far as explosives, the video evidence and witness testimony proves explosives were used.

The 9/11 truth movement has never subscribed to "nukes", so that is just unprovable disinformation.

Originally posted by c0ldPhr34k
So many theories yet all contradictions.

Only to someone who hasn't done a lick of actual research, and only goes by what he sees on a couple websites.

Originally posted by c0ldPhr34k
GET some real PROOF

There's plenty of real proof. There's forensic evidence, physical evidence, video evidence, witness testimony. That's all the proof you need.

Originally posted by c0ldPhr34k
No one has proof the US government did it. So its all FALSE accusation.

And no one has proof that muslims did it. So, it's all FALSE accusations. The NIST report used guesses and theories for their calculations, thus they only have a theory on how the towers collapsed. Thus it's not a fact that the towers collapsed from fire and plane impacts, only theory, period.

It is a fact that no matter which side of the fence you sit on, you're subscribing to a conspiracy theory, nothing more. That just leaves you to choose to believe a lying and corrupt government, or independent researchers who have nothing to gain but to expose the lying and corrupt people who orchestrated 9/11.

On a final note, there are far more scholars, scientists, architects, and engineers that have went public against the official conspiracy theory, than have went public to support it. That should tell you something also.

posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 09:30 AM
More like any kind of believer you developped an immunity against evidence.

reply to post by _BoneZ_

Not to mention the likelyhood that the events unfolded as depicted in the NIST report is so astronomically small, believing in it is an act of faith in the truest sense of the word.
edit on 18-12-2010 by Cassius666 because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 09:50 AM
As far as the title of this thread is concerned: "I have seen little evidence beside that of non experts, that the US gov DID IT" shows that the OP did not do any real research, what-so-ever.

There are thousands of experts here in the U.S. and all around the world. For starters, you can visit the following websites to see real experts:

Patriots Question 9/11

Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice

Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

Firefighters for 9/11 Truth

Scientists for 9/11 Truth

U.S. Military Officers for 9/11 Truth

I think that's more than plenty of real experts for you to look at for awhile. Next time, you should do some real, actual research into 9/11 before making up such a biased thread which has been easily disproven. Thanks.

posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 10:02 AM
I think he meant to say he developped and immunity against evidence and nothing will shake his believe in the NIST report and bigfoot.

posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 10:18 AM
c0ldPhr34k, I would think of it another way, what evidence is there that the official story has a shred of evidence or truth to it?

History, and the studies on democide, have shown that governments in the last 100 years have been responsible for the deaths of at least 200 plus million men, women and children

Now if that isnt evidence enough to disbelieve anything that comes out of the mouth of the politicians and their pornographers; the media, I dont know what else is. In the future I am sure that experts will look back and see that a majority of the population had a serious mental illness -believing the government

I have noticed an attack in the last few months and years on 911 truth and 911 truth activists, as it is a key 'awakening' piece of evidence. As mentioned by other members there are architects and engineers for 911 truth, experiments done, huge amounts of whistleblower evidence and other supporting information, with an excellent archive at the infowars site.

Unfortunately because it was an inside job, there may be discrepancies in explaining what really happened, but there are definitely enough smoking guns to connect the dots. It is just like a murder investigation, you have clear motive with the PNAC documents and the nutbag neo-cons, the invasion or iraq and afghanistan, and the gigantic windfall of the military industrial complex and the defence contractors, with ties to halliburton, cheney, bush etc etc

Now unless you have been living in a cave, I am sure you have noticed that worldwide there is a growing trend towards loss of freedom and rights, and 911 is used as a perfect justification

To put it into perspective just realize that 'terrrorism' is less dangerous than peanut butter allergies, deer accidents and lightning strikes, and so its use to justify the war on freedom is THE real terrorism.

My investigations into this topic lead me to the conclusion that there are two main factions fueled by extremist religious ideologies, but not islam! It seems there is an extremist zionist as well as an extremist catholic-vatican fifth column operating throughout the world, and both seem tied to ancient bablyonian and chaos/satanic religion.

The evidence is there just be careful of bringing your prejudices and installed 'conditionings' into the investigation. If you are sincere in your investigation you will find the answers, but at the same time its important to balance the truth with a positive, solutions-oriented atitude that we can do something about it, which we can

posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 10:32 AM

Originally posted by c0ldPhr34k
I admit the following:

9/11 happened

9/11 killed some 3000 people

But the evidence that people have collected from here and there and their constant belief they are right still has no direct proof that the US gov did it.

Could it of been Israel and the Jews? After all I read that they have a lot to gain. Plus I read another thread that implies that Israel may nuke two US cities. I read that thread here on ATS.

Would someone outside of the US gov more than likely be responsible?

they only way someone inside the US government did this is if it were a rogue CIA op.

That would absolve the President and is Administration!! Correct?

Maybe everyone is looking n the wrong place.
edit on 18-12-2010 by c0ldPhr34k because: (no reason given)

No, regardless of who you think did it, it was still the Government doing the investigation...
Would they cover up for someone else?? Maybe, depending on who it was...
And would someone else have the ability to arrange all the convinient things that occured like with NORAD etc??
But would still make them involved...

posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 10:48 AM
Did congress sit down to plan, fund, and perpetrate the attack on 9/11? I tend to lean towards no. Did SOMEONE inside the executive branch plan, fund, and perpetrate the attack on 9/11? I tend to lean towards yes, at least at some level there was some participation. Otherwise, we have been and still are being "guarded" by the biggest group of morons on the planet. Trillions of dollars of national defense fell victim to less than two dozen poorly trained men from the middle of nowhere and their ultimate weapon of choice, the boxcutter! How that makes any sense to anyone is beyond my comprehension, its just impossible! Regardless of whether or not anyone inside the U.S. gov't participated in the actual event, there is absolutely no question whatsoever that they DID PARTICIPATE IN THE COVER-UP OF THE TRUTH. The proof is everywhere you look.

posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 10:58 AM
reply to post by c0ldPhr34k

I'm sorry but anyone who researches 9/11 and doesn't think something is up with it has an acute case of head-in-the-sand.

Honestly, I couldn't really give a rats ass about the other conspiracy theories, UFO's and such. I joined ATS (and I know other people like me) who joined ATS because of the 9/11 debate... the rest is just an interesting sideline. 9/11 is a MAJOR factor which is driving the developed worlds' policies just now, while the the terrorism 'threat' is clamping down on all our liberties, especially brosefs in the US. There is a possibility we've been LIED to in a most egregious way, noone really knows who was behind 9/11 but we're trying to take an educated guess. The idea that it was terrorists who could barely fly is utterly ridiculous - do you not find it strange how much the US and other governments have taken such advantage of the situation by invading countries and forcing control on peoples lives?

The world is turning into 1984 because of 9/11 and it's frightening. Here in the UK we had a REAL terrorism threat years back from the IRA - those were dark days, but it never caused all this palaver! It's a bloody joke

posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 11:01 AM
reply to post by _BoneZ_

Wow, such dripping hatred of the Bush family......

First, Marvin Bush had left that particular company before his brother was even the GOP nominee for President....but you already know that.

Second, you appearantly are referring to Wirt Walker as the other member of the Bush family involved with that company, and again, you know that Mr Walker is absolutely NO relation to the Bushes'. I am not sure WHY you continue to cling to Margie Burns' story....even Margie said she screwed that one up...but hey whatever helps to fuel your conspiracy beliefs.

Third, poor old Jeb. You really should have paid a wee bit more attention to politics in the lead up to the 2000 election...not to mention, should have paid more attention that night. Prior to the 'day' there were various stories about Florida, its prior problems with voting, and just how close it was going to be. Jeb Bush did not do anything to "make sure" his brother became President. Had Jeb been actively trying to ensure his brother carried would not have been ANYWHERE as close as it was.

It is truly amazing just how many people will believe that the Bush family was so on top of it to pull off 9/11 as cleanly as you think it was.....and so incompetent to rig an election.

posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 11:33 AM

Originally posted by c0ldPhr34k
reply to post by WhizPhiz

Your boring!! Stop your childish behavior.

Other people have given some insightful opinions.

Not you though. Waste of ____

Only childish behavior I am seeing is coming from you.

We have seen this exact same thread a million times over. Go into the forum and look around. You are not breaking new ground or planting a flag any where new.

By the way, welcome to ATS. Judging by your people skills, I am sure your stay here will be thankfully short

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