Ooztism is another muslim who loved living in the muslim world that much that he ran away to New Zealand!No doubt another assylum seeker in 'fear' of his life!Don't tell me that your loving muslim brothers were going to kill you Oozy?The amount of assylum seekers coming to the west shows that these countries which are run by religion through and through are anything but peaceful.If they try to kill so many of their own countrymen do you really think that they won't kill other countries people given half a chance?Prevention is better than cure!

Originally posted by Maccaron.Shakaron
Thanks for the post mate, i was beginning to think that Ats was becoming an Anti Muslim site.

Sadly ATS has always been like this.

The Anti-Muslim threads are ever present.

There is always some sensationalistic thread about Muslims.... always.
And all the Anti-Muslim folks will be in them telling stories and just feeding off each other and it gets worse and worse.

Oh well.

At least Christians and Jews get grief on this site too.... as do Atheists.

Although Muslims certainly receive the lion's share.

Just as in the "Real" world.

You can thank the MSM for that.... and far-right and anti-Islamic groups spreading fear and hatred.

Originally posted by blupblup
and far-right and anti-Islamic groups spreading fear and hatred.

edit on 18/12/10 by blupblup because: (no reason given)

I see from your Avatar that you are a Communist. Id like to take this opportunity to ask you: Do Communists generally hold the view that its not the suicide-bombers spreading fear and hatred but their American critics?

Islam just like anything humans do has good and bad in it.

Only the hysterical, ignorant, and bigoted kinds attempt to paint all Muslims with the same brush because there are an infinitesimal group that calls itself Muslims that do terrorism.

Beyond that it is just another exoteric religion that has its roots in pre-modern times just as Christianity, Judaism, and many other religions do.

The pre-modern aspect of it will cause problems because of modernity.

Any creed that began over a thousand years ago will have many of its adherents conflicted regarding modern changes; therefore Islam is having difficulty coming into the modern age. Pre-modern Christianity and Judaism are having the same problems, as well as Hinduism [the oldest religion] and Buddhism.

The modern political issues faced by many Muslim countries converges with this religious issue therefore we have the specter of the inflammation and radicalization of some parts of Islam.

But Islam has been here for over 1400 years and has produced many thriving healthily functioning societies in the world and it will be here in the future.

In-fact the vast majority of Muslim lands are getting along just fine, outside of the 911 inspired problems.
Is it a coincidence that the only Muslim countries that are involved in these issues have oil or are involved in a conflict with Israel?

There are about 45 Muslim countries were the problems they face are mainly because of European colonialism of the past, beyond that they are getting along just fine. Also, many of them have defeated and dealt with their own inner Islamic radical problems, in Algeria for instance.

The west has shaken off its religion, Christianity mainly, or have gone to a total secular civilization. Time will tell what that will produce, but the way the PTB are controlling the western experience, I don’t have much confidence that western civilization will succeed.

What the f..k are you talking about! If you Muslims hate the West so much, then why do all your Saudi Princes drive around in big Jaguars and Porsches, illicitly Drink like fish, Ship in Foreign Prostitutes for Private Parties, employ Slaves from Taiwan/ China to look after your Kids! Send them to the Best International Universities! And then, just moan about Israel? You don't set a good precedent for other Muslims to follow!

Their own countries are halted by theocratic nonsense, theocracy that governs their own states. That opresses the rights of women, which stil envokes ancient capital punishment such as stoning, all in adherence with "Allah"

They wish to come to our secular countries and remove our rights with Sharia law.

When sattire and cartoons are being censored regarding the "prophet" Muhammed we should fight back in the name of free speech and freedom of expression.

double post, sorry!