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Heres an interesting article on the bektashi order. Bektashi
It appears that they are regarded as heretics, so thats good news (for muslims). It wouldnt reflect nicely on Islam if an order as morally
rephrehensible as this one were condoned by Islam.
I mention them because the Bektashi were very instrumental in the formulation of Sabbatean doctrine (of the jewish false messiah, Shabtai Tzvi), the
core theology of which was gnosticism and an overall pagan existentialism/liberalism - an 'everything is sacred' spirituality. The sabbateans do not
look down on homosexuality and indeed certain rites and rituals require it. This of course is associated with demonology which requires the engagement
in counter-intuitive and essentially morally defunct practices. The Bektashi Order has an akin theology, based on this article i linked. but there
isnt any explicit mention of homosexuality. but than again, thats one of those more esoteric and internal matters that theyd probably prefer not to
After being excommunicated by Europes Rabbis, Shabbtai, on order by the ottoman sultan of the time (again, another indicator that this mentality might
be dominant among the elite islamic clerics - the ottoman empire being the last islamic caliphate. The fact that shabbtai was "pressured" (and i say
this sacrastically) by the ottoman king to convert, indicates a difference in theology between the lower down sufis/muslims and those involved with
Sabbatai was taken from Abydos to Adrianople, where the sultan's physician, a former Jew, advised him to convert to Islam. On the following day
(September 16, 1666), brought before the sultan, he cast off his Jewish garb and put a Turkish turban on his head. Thus his conversion to Islam was
accomplished. The sultan was much pleased, and rewarded Sabbatai by conferring the title (Mahmed) Effendi, and appointing him as his doorkeeper with a
high salary. Sarah and a number of Sabbatai's followers also went over to Islam. About 300 families converted and were known as dönmeh (converts).
The sultan's officials ordered Sabbatai to take an additional wife to demonstrate his conversion. Some days after his conversion he wrote to Smyrna:
"God has made me an Ishmaelite; He commanded, and it was done. The ninth day of my regeneration."
His successor, jacob frank, who claimed to be Tzvi's reincarnation, converted with many of his followers to catholicism. He to endorsed the same
gnostic spirituality. Just as Tzvi became and an ishmaelite, and recorded the fact upon his conversion, so to Frank when he converted said
But you will be only present at the likeness of that event…because when we shall come to Esau (the Roman Catholic Church) only then will be
fulfilled ‘The Lord appeared to me from afar’ (Jeremiah 31: 3). Only there (Tam) and then we will put on the robe of Esau…”
Miriam ha Kedosha Queen of Zion: Jacob Frank and the Zoharist
Whats also interesting is that Jacob Frank wanted to unite Jacob, Esau and Ishmael (Jews, Christians and Muslims).
Franks Godfather in his baptism to catholicism was Augustus III of Poland. And Tzvi converted in front of the sultan Mehmed IV. Is this coincidence?
It sounds like the elite are very deeply involved with the corruption of Judaism and a need to bring Jacob (Jews) together with Ishmael (islam) and
Infact, i have read that this war being waged between the christian west and the islamic east is designed to result in a synthesis (between the thesis
and antithesis of christianity and islam) between the two religions. Both the leading clerics and elites in the west are involved in this.
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