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Sabbatai was taken from Abydos to Adrianople, where the sultan's physician, a former Jew, advised him to convert to Islam. On the following day (September 16, 1666), brought before the sultan, he cast off his Jewish garb and put a Turkish turban on his head. Thus his conversion to Islam was accomplished. The sultan was much pleased, and rewarded Sabbatai by conferring the title (Mahmed) Effendi, and appointing him as his doorkeeper with a high salary. Sarah and a number of Sabbatai's followers also went over to Islam. About 300 families converted and were known as dönmeh (converts). The sultan's officials ordered Sabbatai to take an additional wife to demonstrate his conversion. Some days after his conversion he wrote to Smyrna: "God has made me an Ishmaelite; He commanded, and it was done. The ninth day of my regeneration."
But you will be only present at the likeness of that event…because when we shall come to Esau (the Roman Catholic Church) only then will be fulfilled ‘The Lord appeared to me from afar’ (Jeremiah 31: 3). Only there (Tam) and then we will put on the robe of Esau…”
Miriam ha Kedosha Queen of Zion: Jacob Frank and the Zoharist Catholic Khasidim
Originally posted by babloyi
reply to post by kakadudless
They're a bit long, so I've linked the verses rather than post them directly here. As I said, they're mostly references to the iniquities of the people of Lot. There are several relevant verses, but they all follow this same pattern:
Surah Al-Araf, verse 80-84
Originally posted by oozyism
Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by oozyism
Can you prove that last statement? Funny, all of the people I know do not spend that much time infront of the tv, are well read and tend to put thought into what comes across, or they hear, taking a very close look at such, to include about Islam and what Muslims believe. But I do not believe they are stupid, that is like stating all those who go to church and listen to a man, who studies a particular religion, are stupid. Is that what you are stating?
Muslims only listen to Clerics one a week, on Friday.
While Westerners watch TV in daily bases. At least the majority, from infants, to old men and women.
Suppose you stumbled upon the Constitution of an organization that was terrorizing the world. Would you ignore such a document, or would you read it? Suppose you discovered that this Constitution's most prominent themes were pain and punishment, thievery and violence, intolerance and war. If the regime's charter ordered its devotees to kill, plunder, and terrorize, would you sound an alarm? What if this Constitution was supported by a manifesto that contained the only authorized biography of the regime's founder, and the first devotees of this doctrine, its co-founders, said that their leader was a sexual predator, a pirate, and a terrorist? If you found such evidence, what would you do with it? What if this leader motivated his mercenaries to murder and mayhem by allowing them to keep what they had stolen in the name of the cause - their victim's homes, businesses, money - even their women and children?
Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by dontreally
The 72 virgin is also in the Bible.
Just to add.
Chapter and verse, please.
But I warn you in advance, you can't produce chapter and verse, because it's not in there.
The documented references in Prophet of Doom were derived from English translations of the following ancient Islamic manuscripts. I encourage you to purchase and read them. The Sirat Rasul Allah was written by Ibn Ishaq in 750 A.D. It was edited and abridged by Ibn Hisham in 830 and translated by Alfred Guillaume under the title, The Life of Muhammad in 1955 by Oxford Press. The History of al-Tabari was written by Abu Muhammad bin al-Tabari between 870 and 920 A.D. His monumental work was translated and published in 1987 through 1997 by the State University of New York Press. I quote from volumes I, II, VI, VII, VIII, and IX. Al-Bukhari's Hadith, titled: Sahih Al-Bukhari and The True Traditions was collected by Imam Bukhari in 850 A.D. I have used the collector's original nomenclature because the only printed English translation (Publisher-Maktaba Dar-us-Salam, Translator-Muhammad Khan) was abridged and erroneously numbered. Finally, I recommend that you acquire at least three of the following Qur'an translations: Ahmed Ali, Pikthal, Noble by Muhsin Khan, Yusuf Ali, or Shakir. The oldest Qur'an fragments date to around 725 A.D. - a century after they were first recited.
Originally posted by deessell
I'm not sure why you chose to focus on that aspect from the website. Did you read further? The man has spent 10,000 hours studying Islam.
Taqiyya (تقي), also spelt Taqiya / Tuqya / Taqqiyah, is known as lying for Islam. While many claim it is only practised within Shi'ite Islam, it is also mentioned in many Sunni hadith and by many of their Islamic scholars.
Now it must be said, that lying is forbidden in Islam, however so, UNDER 3 OCCASIONS, it is not. This point must be made crystal clear, that it is only under 3 specific circumstances in which a Muslim is allowed to lie
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:224,225):
AND DO NOT allow your oaths in the name of God to become an obstacle to virtue and God-consciousness and the promotion of peace between men: for God is all-hearing, all-knowing.
God will not take you to task for oaths which you may have uttered without thought, but will take you to task [only] for what your hearts have conceived [in earnest]: for God is much-forgiving, forbearing.
Originally posted by babloyi
And the other ones, as I said, spoke of lying to save life. So tell me (this is a classical question, I know, but still), if you were in Nazi Germany (hopefully) helping out a family of Jews by letting them live in your attic, and an SS officer came about and asked if you were harbouring Jews, would you say "Yeah", or would you be a liar?