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5 Myth about Islam

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posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup
reply to post by ollncasino
 


Every one of your posts is off topic....

The thread is titled "5 Myths about Islam" Not let's post lots of stories about middle eastern countries and radical Muslims.

If you don't have anything to add to the Discussion then don't post anything.

It always happens in threads, people discuss topics and exchange ideas and debate one another and then someone just spouts off and trolls and spams crap...



Point 4 was about "Myth 4: Death Sentence to apostates"

Strange, that in a thread about Islamic 'Myths' that my 'spam' describes the actions of Muslims around the world, largely in terms of the application of Sharia Law.

Do try to keep up old chap.

I do of course commend your attempt to frame this thread as narrowly as possible, in the vain attmept that we will all overlook the elephant in the living room.

If you feel that any of my links are not factaully correct, then by all means PROVE them wrong.




posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by oozyism

How about you count how many people have died from Muslim terrorism, and compare it to European terrorism, which killed 6 million innocent Jews. Compare it to US terrorism, which killed over 100,000 innocent Japanese.

Do you want me to keep going?

Everyday, there is terrorism, funny how only Muslims are put on the spot light.

I love it. You have to call WW2 "terrorism" in order to match body counts. My friend, if you must compare islam to the bloodiest war in human history in order to make islam look reasonable; isn't that a major indictment of a so called peaceful religion in and of itself??????



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 06:45 AM
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posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by oozyism
 

How many Japanese terrorists strap bomb vests to their children? How many Japanese companies or foundations pay the families of the suicide bombers for the service of said children? Let's be real here. If all Islamic terror attacks stopped today, you would almost never hear of terrorism.


I have already discussed this issue before.

Terrorism doesn't mean big beards, turbans and robes. Please, I ask you nicely to start reading.

There have been almost 200 million deaths this century, Islamic terrorism comprises an extreme minority.

Think about it.

6 million Jews terrorized and murdered by Christians in Europe.
Millions terrorized and killed by Atheist in USSR.
Hundreds of thousands of Japanese terrorized and killed by Christian US.
Congo
Rwanda
South America

Terrorism happened all over the world. Terrorism still happens all over the world. Did you hear about the Mexican cartel chopping people in to pieces?

See let me help you understand propaganda.

If you want to demonize someone or a group, you take the negatives of that person, or group, then you magnify it. You magnify it so much, that the same negatives of other individuals or other groups, vanish from the radar.

That's what the MSM has done.

US doesn't spend millions of dollars on world wide propaganda for no reason you know.

There is RFE, RFA, now they have a new RF (Radio Free), in Afghanistan, and they are handing out free radios to spread their propaganda.

This was all learned from Hitler, read his books and speeches to inform yourself.
Please, I beg you.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Point 4 was about "Myth 4: Death Sentence to apostates"

Strange, that in a thread about Islamic 'Myths' that my 'spam' describes the actions of Muslims around the world, largely in terms of the application of Sharia Law.

Do try to keep up old chap.

I do of course commend your attempt to frame this thread as narrowly as possible, in the vain attmept that we will all overlook the elephant in the living room.

If you feel that any of my links are not factaully correct, then by all means PROVE them wrong.







Don't spam please, you can put it all in one post.

I have already proven in the OP that it is against Islam to kill apostates.

It clearly states in Quran to leave apostates alone.

Why don't you try to counter that?

Are you incapable of countering that, therefore using your last resort of spamming?


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posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 06:51 AM
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It may not be, but when it is sanctioned by the clerics, those that are suppose to study and uphold the traditions of Islam and teach it to others, it becomes a symbol of that religion. In all of those cases, that I pointed out, when it is traced back, to who authorized such, it is a Muslim Cleric, doing it in the name of Islam.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 06:51 AM
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Originally posted by babloyi
reply to post by Skippy1138
 


Originally posted by Skippy1138
Please tell me are not trying to refer to Hiroshima? That is not a valid example of "terrorism".That was done during a declared war in which-get ready- Japan attacked us FIRST.Sorry Oozy- I admire and respect your passion, but you are really floundering....

So it is okay in a "declared war" to mass target and murder civilians in the thousands?


There were no 'civilians' in Hiroshima during World War II. The ENTIRE population was part of the war machine. Even 6 year olds would go to school 1/2 a day and then spend the other half in bullet factories making ammunitions. They were not going to stop. They were serving their god-emperor. America warned them ... dropped leaflets ... told them exactly what would happen if they didn't surrender. But they kept on with their war machine.

I was stationed in japan for three years. I have been to Hiroshima. I saw the pamphlets. I saw the pictures and stories of how the entire population was part of the war effort, right down to kindergardeners. This was admitted by the japanese and is part of the Hiroshima Peace Park museum.

No civilians were mass targeted .. only a war machine.


Originally posted by oozyism
The source of Islam is not Shieks, it is GOD (hence Quran), the word of GOD.

NEWSFLASH .... The Qu'ran is NOT the word of God. God has nothing to do with the Qu'ran or Islam. The Qu'ran is full of errors and contradictions. It was written by a mass murdering liar and thief. Islam was spread at the point of a bloody sword mass murdering millions and enslaving millions more. It is NOT from God. Nothing about it is from God. It's just a crock of bunk that sheeple believe and force upon others. I pity those who think Islam is something from God when it is from a source that is evil. The 'fruits' of Islam are evil. It's a drag on humanity.




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posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by oozyism
 

It may not be, but when it is sanctioned by the clerics, those that are suppose to study and uphold the traditions of Islam and teach it to others, it becomes a symbol of that religion. In all of those cases, that I pointed out, when it is traced back, to who authorized such, it is a Muslim Cleric, doing it in the name of Islam.



Read the OP, the OP has nothing to do with Clerics, this is about Islam, which is defined by Quran, not Clerics.

Second Line.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 06:56 AM
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Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by ollncasino
 


I ask you politely once, to stop your non-sense and concentrate on the OP.

Thanks in advance.


Can I quote you?




At least seven Afghan civilians have been killed during the latest spate of US-led air strike in Afghanistan amid the rise in civilian casualties in the war-torn country.

An airstrike by foreign forces in eastern Afghanistan has left at least two Afghan soldiers dead and five others wounded, drawing the condemnation of the Afghan Defense Ministry.

13 injured in Japan knife rampage

Mexico touts progress in drug war, but death toll rises to 30,197

Between April and June 1994, an estimated 800,000 Rwandans were killed in the space of 100 days.

From 1986 to 2003, the people of the Acholi region in northern Uganda were indiscriminately terrorized.



So let's get this correct.

You feel at liberty to discuss Japanese murders, Mexican drug murders, Rwandan genocide, Ugandan terror and a sly slander of American forces fighting the Taliban, all in a vain attempt to deflect attention away from Islamic extremism, yet...

you maintain I am not allowed to mention Islamic extremism?

Away you go and boil your head.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 06:58 AM
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posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 06:58 AM
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Nice of OP to make an effort to dispel the myths of Islam;
You need to be given credit for that.
The few who posted misinformation based on
simplified hate and uneducated bigotry was low and
beyond appalling, lacking any depth of intellect.
Avoiding intelligent discussion to promote smear campaigns is
just another way of dumbing down and ignoring truth.
To the few that went off topic for no other reason but to smear,was
it because you cannot handle the truth that your government
manipulated you ? or are so naive that you really think that
the greed of your corrupt government will benefit you some how ?
Better think again, those in power don't give a dam about you.
Do you so naively believe that such people as Cat Stevens are really
horrible , violent souls that must be censored and outlawed ? ? OR could it just possibly be . . . that it is you that is being controlled by a corrupt government?
Just some of the lies the corrupt governent is putting over on you :
Dec 14, 2010 , Afghanistan and Pakistan agreed on Saturday to construct a gas pipeline through Afghanistan's war zone, supporting a U.S.-backed project
pipeline
Afghanistan awards first oil contract,
wire.antiwar.com...
This is what your taxes are being spent on,
NATO Air Strike Destroys Afghan School :
nato-air-strike-destroys-afghan-school
Do you really believe dick cheney cares about your backside ?
coruption of usa
Chevron, America's second-largest oil company eye's Iran:
coruption of america
Who do you think is actually causing the mayhem ?
CIA accused of role in Iran suicide bombing,
CIA bombing
Is this in the name of christianity ?
Is this how 'christians' help those in need ? :
Is this how NATO helps the Children in Afghanistan ?
Foreign Affairs spent millions on buying Afghan realestate

Now back on the topic in OP, yes indeed
Islam is a philosophy of peace,
but nowhere does it say to passively take abuse, murder,
and exploitation or to condone such crimes.

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posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 06:59 AM
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There is a huge difference between discussion and spamming.

You could have put all your Islamic extremism in one post, it wouldn't be that hard, instead you are spamming for the last three pages, something which is not even on topic, you are not discussing even the OP.

My discussions started from the OP, then changed and evolved slowly, while you are intentionally spamming.

You give ATS a bad name.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 06:59 AM
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Originally posted by oozyism
the OP has nothing to do with Clerics, this is about Islam, which is defined by Quran, not Clerics.

That's absurd. That's like saying Christianity isn't about the interpretation of the bible by the priests or ministers and only has to do with the bible itself. It doesn't work that way. Typical spin, spin, spin oozyism.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 07:02 AM
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posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

That's absurd. That's like saying Christianity isn't about the interpretation of the bible by the priests or ministers and only has to do with the bible itself. It doesn't work that way. Typical spin, spin, spin oozyism.


In that sense, the actions of priests might as well define Christianity, right?

Like when priests rape and molest kids in Churches, it must be a Christian thing, even though the Bible doesn't support it?

ummm, doesn't make sense to me.

Quran is the source of Islam. Quran defines Islam. Quran defines Muslims.

Try harder.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 07:08 AM
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Dam you beat me to it

the pure comedy, having to use the worse atrocities from around the world in a effort to make the so called religion of peace look some what ok……



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 07:11 AM
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The thread's topic is "5 Myth about Islam".

Anyone that wants to discuss the topic can do it according to the Terms and Conditions to which we all agreed when joined ATS.

Posts without the poster's opinion about the topic will be removed.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by ollncasino
 

My discussions started from the OP, then changed and evolved slowly, while you are intentionally spamming.

You give ATS a bad name.



You are a poster who is pathologically anti-American and irrationally pro militant Islam.


You are in no position to tell anyone that he gives ATS a bad name.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino


You are a poster who is pathologically anti-American and irrationally pro militant Islam.


You are in no position to tell anyone that he gives ATS a bad name.


I'm a Muslim, it is my duty to remove any misconception regarding Islam.

You are an American, it is your job to remove any misconception regarding US.

My criticism of America does not make me anti-American.

Your criticism of Islam, does not make you an Islamophoic.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by oozyism
Millions terrorized and killed by Atheist in USSR.


Yet again the sma ol' same ol'.....What the flying # has aethism to do with communism, NOTHING!!!

PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF, read a book ,preferibly any other than the koran, on the subject.


let me help you understand propaganda.


ALL faith and religion is nothing but propaganda, my gods better than your god, my heavens better than your heaven etc etc...all swallowed by fools without the will to find something beyond what a preacher tell's them is the true faith, be they christian, muslim or jew.


If you want to demonize someone or a group, you take the negatives of that person, or group, then you magnify it. You magnify it so much, that the same negatives of other individuals or other groups, vanish from the radar


The problem with the above is for this to be right, the group that "demonizes" the poor "other group".has to ignore and deny its own failing's and negatives.
The west recognises its own failings, and tries to compensate and change but often fails.

Islam however, does'nt and wont admit that stoning a women to death for adultery, hanging gay's or flogging makeup wearer's etc etc is'nt right, and doesnt want to change.

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