How can we CoExIsT?

Originally posted by Snickersman
Did you just claim that Atheism = Satanism?

actually I said Atheism AND Satanism

it is all in the context hence the (/) slash, I was giving examples.

Atheism can be considered very close to Satanism, they are just not as advanced imo, but I never equated the two.

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by Snickersman
Did you just claim that Atheism = Satanism?

actually I said Atheism AND Satanism

it is all in the context hence the (/) slash, I was giving examples.

Atheism can be considered very close to Satanism, they are just not as advanced imo, but I never equated the two.

How can Atheism be considered very close to Satanism? Atheism is a lack of religion and a lack of god. Satanism is a religion where Satan is glorified.

Originally posted by Snickersman

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by Snickersman
Did you just claim that Atheism = Satanism?

actually I said Atheism AND Satanism

it is all in the context hence the (/) slash, I was giving examples.

Atheism can be considered very close to Satanism, they are just not as advanced imo, but I never equated the two.

How can Atheism be considered very close to Satanism? Atheism is a lack of religion and a lack of god. Satanism is a religion where Satan is glorified.

Satanism goes against Life/Rules/Good/Submission to morality ect, one can easily do the math but I only said Atheists are not as advanced as Satanist, for Satanist know where the 'Greater Good' comes from and they attack the source.

Very similar to Atheists I might add...

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by Snickersman

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by Snickersman
Did you just claim that Atheism = Satanism?

actually I said Atheism AND Satanism

it is all in the context hence the (/) slash, I was giving examples.

Atheism can be considered very close to Satanism, they are just not as advanced imo, but I never equated the two.

How can Atheism be considered very close to Satanism? Atheism is a lack of religion and a lack of god. Satanism is a religion where Satan is glorified.

Satanism goes against Life/Rules/Good/Submission to morality ect, one can easily do the math but I only said Atheists are not as advanced as Satanist, for Satanist know where where the 'Greater Good' comes from and they attack the source.

Very similar to Atheists I might add...

What is the "Greater Good"? Many different people throughout the world have different views on the "Greater Good". Who is to say you're correct? Heck! I view Judaism in a good light and I have respect for people of all faiths and non religious people. If you view Atheism as religious or some where close to being how you view it then you need to learn what Atheism is truly.
What is Atheism
10 myths and 10 truths about Atheist

Atheist are people, too!
What we believe
^^This is all great Atheist material^^

Sataism
Satanism on the other hand is very difficult to explain to someone. Many people who worship Satan view him differently.

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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
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Morality can be taught through philosophical channels.

most every religion is the philosophy of morality... to name a few that are (not) would be Satanism/Atheism plus others but these are most notable.

Most religions speak very little of morality and they are not philosophies, though they contain philosophical elements. They consider their 'truth' to be revealed rather than reasoned. Philosophy relies on reason rather than faith.

Philosophy as a practice is far more varied than religion. It is something I've studied in quite detail and have found more than enough secular justification for morality.

Hell, the (possibly mythic) father of modern philosophy was put to death for the crime of pulling children away from religion.

We have a bunch of societies and their morality is not contingent upon their religion. In fact, the majority of morality on a societal level is entirely separate from religion.

this is what religion means, and where religion came from... a bunch of dudes sitting around back in the day trying to figure out what is moral, right and wrong... what goes against life.

...no, religion is about what a particular deity wants. Of course, there are moral claims in it. However, what does prayer have to do with what is right and wrong? What does faith have to do with what is right and wrong? What does whether or not I accept the existence of any deity have to do with what is right and wrong?

We all have our own ideas

yes usually when we are young, we want no rules but our own... some people take this into adulthood and that is where things get really funny.

Another hateful myth against atheists. The rule I want is that of law. I like the laws of many countries, though I do disagree with the law pertaining to divorce and artistic expression in my own nation.

I also follow the philosophical statement first made by Confuscius about 2500 years ago "Treat others the way you'd like to be treated"

It makes sense to me to reason out my morality instead of taking it on religious authority.

Unfortunately the World does not want Atheism only a small minority of evildoers that do not only want sexual freedom but lawlessness in general.

Ok, I'll add that to the list.
So atheists are: Young, ugly, heroin-addicted, idiotic evildoers with IQs under 85.

I'm sorry, but I don't do evil. I work within my community to improve things. I give my time and money to help others for no personal gain. I follow the law.

This is yet another baseless claim you've made that is directed against atheists. I'd report you but it seems the mods don't care that you're spewing hatespeech.

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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by Snickersman
Did you just claim that Atheism = Satanism?

actually I said Atheism AND Satanism

it is all in the context hence the (/) slash, I was giving examples.

...(/) is typically used for things that are equivalent. Just a quick English lesson.

Atheism can be considered very close to Satanism, they are just not as advanced imo, but I never equated the two.

How can they be considered very close? Atheism is a rejection of a single claim, namely the one that any deity exists. Satanism is a varied group of oppositional theistic claims that involve self-importance.

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You are a scholar and a gentleman. I'm guessing you're a man by the name "Snickersman". Anyway, thank you for countering idiotic bigotry and thank you for providing some resources that I myself will use. Please stop by my Atheists: We're people, just like you thread.

Originally posted by Snickersman
What is the "Greater Good"? Many different people throughout the world have different views on the "Greater Good". Who is to say you're correct?

the greater good is Love and Life...

I will not be responding much to your attempts to discredit or troll me (whatever), even after I starred some of your posts, you are phasing in and out RR.

Stay in the light

faith and reason are one and the same, Atheist can not steal that one either

I seen a picture that had Einstein and some of the founding fathers tagged as Atheists ! that is hilarious.

Atheists are like Rappers now trying to steal away things that are not their own.

Gotta respect Ayn Rand though hehe she contradicts herself so well, right on national television...

Rand's political views, reflected in both her fiction and her theoretical work, emphasize individual rights (including property rights) and laissez-faire capitalism, enforced by a constitutionally limited government. She was a fierce opponent of all forms of collectivism and statism,[3][4] including fascism, communism, socialism, and the welfare state,[5] and promoted ethical egoism while rejecting the ethic of altruism.[6] She considered reason to be the only means of acquiring knowledge

www.conservapedia.com...

It wont work with some of the conflicting religions out their COUGHislam

I say Buddhism should be the only religion allowed on the planet. Imagine how peaceful the world would be...

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Einstein was an atheist, he clearly rejected any notion of any sort of deity. The closest thing he had to religion was wonder for the universe.


As for your source, it's a useless one. Please use a non-biased source that doesn't have any sort of declared position.

Let me provide a counter-source to call it into question.

Conservapedia, like any encyclopedia (especially those using the open-editing wiki format), is prone to errors. There is reason to believe that Conservapedia is actually far inferior to Wikipedia and that its articles are not to be trusted. Conservapedia's math and history articles have been criticized for a plethora of errors,[20] while a numerical comparison of Conservapedia articles with articles in Wikipedia have shown Conservapedia's articles to be lagging in quality.[21]

Please stop using it.

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Oh, one more thing:

faith and reason are one and the same, Atheist can not steal that one either

Faith is the acceptance of statements without or in spite of evidence.
Reason is thinking through statements based upon the argumentation and evidence in favor of those statements.

The two are inherently opposed.

@madness... your logic is flawed and one more thing (conserve means to conserve) political dispositions do not apply here.


@ZELDAR...

Islam is very compatible, it is their leaders who use the religion as a tool to control the populace and keep the people in line with the law, Muslim countries are not like anything either of us have ever experienced. I have dated women from quite a few different religious backgrounds growing up and living just outside DC, two of my family members are married to Muslim women and I have dated a girl from Pakistan for over two years, when you take them away from their dictator leaders they get the idea real quick that we 3 religions are one and the same. It is the muslim media outlets that keep their population under control and some even my GF of those two years say they would need it. But the main misconception is what their medias tell their populace about us, everything is super steeped in propaganda.

You really must know how much Muslim women love Americans or Christians even though the media would tell you different. It may also be hard for some to accept but if you are born in an anglophone country you are born and raised the christian way, you are born a christian because that is what our societies are founded on. (it's what built this place)

When Sumaira and I talked about God or made comments we were talking about the same person, there was no difference...

Most muslims that are established in America and other anglophone countries are getting their family out in a rush these past 6 to 7 years.

"Coexist" by existing. Exist by living

We cannot coexist with antichristians. They mess everything up while afterwards they lay afraid in bed because of the thought of dying the next hour.

C¤existense by telling the Truth. It's the only way, you'll always get trapped by it. Pray Jesus for forgiveness.

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Faith is the acceptance of statements without or in spite of evidence.

Oh the irony!

Thank you MMS, that made my day.

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What is ironic about that statement? Is it because I reject claims that are not based in evidence or is it because I accept evidence based science?

It's awfully rude to just claim that a statement is ironic and then sod off.

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I'll pass on clarifying.

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
...when you take them away from their dictator leaders they get the idea real quick that we 3 religions are one and the same.

Actually, it is an article of faith in Islam to accept that the God of Christianity, Judaism and Islam is one and the same.

Also, Einstein was certainly not an atheist, he may have disbelieved in the concept of a personal deity, but he was hardly an atheist.
HOWEVER, I always disliked this sort of argument, especially when it came from atheists- people who reject the concept of a higher power, or something greater than themselves, yet they touted "Einstein's an atheist" or "Hawkings is an atheist!" as if it was relevant. What, are Einstein and Hawkings a higher power that it is suitable to model?


Anyhow, my main purpose in posting in this thread (sorry for all the rambling ) was to pick up on the earlier point about "atheist media". You know, I think it IS kinda true...the media in general seems to downplay or ridicule religious belief, while, if not uplifting atheism, at least associating it with the "winners".

For example, many of the TV shows I watch (and I'd like to think some of them are the good ones) have "intelligent", articulate atheists as the protagonists: House, Bones, Dexter, The Mentalist, Big Bang Theory, etc., all have atheist protagonists. Most medical or police dramas have the atheists as protagonists (generally to show that they've become jaded to the idea of having faith in something better because of how they've experienced life in their profession).

It is very rare that I see an explicit mention of Catholics without somehow bringing in child molestation, very rare that I see an explicit mention of Muslims without bringing in something to do with terrorism and violence, etc.

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yes do not bother, Atheist are omniscient, once you begin to see through their eyes all the former mysteries are no longer a surprise.



are you still being a meanie madness

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here: Einsteins Faith