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“We had oars and shovels to break the ice, for the deer to get out,” Abusakran said. But in the excited aftermath of the rescue, a natural resources police officer on the scene wrote both men a ticket. “And he didn’t say anything,” Jim Hart said. “We went in and out of the water numerous times. He didn’t stop us at all.” They say they were ticketed for not wearing life vests, although both are over the age for mandatory use of flotation devices.
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
It seems more and more these days I am hearing stories of people doing good things and getting punished for it....
Like the saying says, No good deed goes unpunished.
Originally posted by the_0bserver85
This is one of the thing s that make me surprise when I first come to the U.S. people helping each other out and got sued for their deeds "What kind of F up sht is this ?!"
Where I come from is kind of a backwater country compare to other Asian countries (No it isn't the DPRK nor China). But when people gotten themsleves in harm ways, others would help out in anyway they could WITHOUT worrying about facing interrogation by the cop or being sued by the ones they helped.
Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
reply to post by bozzchem
The deer walking out on the ice and falling in is part of natural selection, or survival of the fittest. The deer for what ever reason lacked the instincts to avoid the ice and fell in. These people risked their lives in order to interfere in nature and were more than likely warned not to. Had one of them become incapacitated they would have put other people at risk by making them come and save them. People should not be so ignorant as to walk/wade out in icy water just to save a deer. I think that they should have gotten a worse reprimand.
Originally posted by AnotherYOU
reply to post by LeaderOfProgress
so a concept called natural selection placed the animal there to die, yet a concept named chance placed humans at that spot at the exact same time, yet you say it was a concept called ignorance that drove the humans to save the animal.
well i hope if one day you happen to be threading on some thin ice(litteral or figurative), some concepts happen to be there to ignorantly save you too.
Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
This had nothing to do with the issue at hand. These people put their lives and others at risk by going against natures own rules. They disobeyed a college educated state law enforcement officer and were penalized because of that. This was not one person helping another but yet two people possibly hurting others.
Originally posted by bozzchem
Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
reply to post by bozzchem
The deer walking out on the ice and falling in is part of natural selection, or survival of the fittest. The deer for what ever reason lacked the instincts to avoid the ice and fell in. These people risked their lives in order to interfere in nature and were more than likely warned not to. Had one of them become incapacitated they would have put other people at risk by making them come and save them. People should not be so ignorant as to walk/wade out in icy water just to save a deer. I think that they should have gotten a worse reprimand.
I don't disagree with natural selection. However, I do disagree with you or anyone else telling me or another what they can and cannot do. Deer in my yard have far more to worry about than falling through the ice since most end up in my freezer.
A worse reprimand? From whom? Who has the right to tell you that you can or cannot do what you feel is right?
I'm guessing you have an office in DC or are appointed to be an "overseer" of the less intelligent (at least as those of your ilk determine such)?edit on 17-12-2010 by bozzchem because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by bozzchem
Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
This had nothing to do with the issue at hand. These people put their lives and others at risk by going against natures own rules. They disobeyed a college educated state law enforcement officer and were penalized because of that. This was not one person helping another but yet two people possibly hurting others.
I'm still laughing at such a ridiculous post!! Thank you since laughter is invariably one of the best medicines. I don't remember reading in the article that the "LEO" was college educated nor do I see where that would make a difference. I am constantly surrounded by "college educated" folks who couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag if you provided them instructions.
I'm guessing one of your favorite movies is Minority Report? Someone may POSSIBLY be injured so let's send in the SWAT team to save them?
Do you seriously subscribe to that logic or are you just being coy? I hope it's the latter.
No a lack of certain survival instincs put the deer on the ice. Peoples lack of knowledge about natural things drove them to "save the day" when in fact all they did was give the deer a few more days of survival but yet risked others safety. This was not a person but a deer, nor was it a pet but it was a wild natural deer. Natural selection is needed in nature to ensure that good genetics continue to pass throught a species, they interferred that is all ther is to it.
Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
All conservation officers in all states are required degrees, look it up. The officer knew what was going on and used his education to make the best possible decision in this case. Those 2 people went against some one hired by the state to conserve wildlife and for that they were reprimanded.
What does the last 2 parts you wrote about have anything to do with the topic at hand?