Sexist Female Oppression? Cleavage In The Workplace

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Annee

 

are you saying no female athletes have large breasts?
i never even thought of that.

Don't recall that I mentioned anything like that.

This physical/health trend also applies to men. Men who are not in good shape today - - are probably less likely to be hired.

I'd say - - belonging to a gym (and using it) - - is practically a requirement these days. IMO.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
. . . i would love to go to work in a tight fitting top to show off my pecs and arms, i never did though because i realised certain standards were needed.

Woo! Hoo!

I like it!

reply to post by undo


Sorry but no you don't get to try that one, i have raised genuine concerns about what you have said, i was careful to make my concerns clear and i think politely put. All you are doing here is attempting to avoid answering while putting the blame on me, very unfair.

Originally posted by Annee
Woo! Hoo!

I like it!

How awful, i feel terribly harrassed by this obvious and blatant objectification.

Seriously though i hate suits, i look like an absolute idiot in one (granted out of one i still look quite idiotic) but at work i had to wear them every single day. I just don't get why some people see this as a sex issue, the OP's article has no real basis in fact, it's just opinion.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


okay to be fair to you, i will answer this last question of yours, just to show how we aren't communicating well and why i'd prefer to just avoid it after this:

Why should anyone be concerning themselves with hiding a less attractive feature when they are at work? You are there to work, not pick up a new guy/girl.

this would, by virtue of its inference, include having breast reduction surgery, as large boobs are becoming the new "uncool" in the corporate world. it isn't that large boobs are literally less attractive, but rather that they are less attractive in the corporate world due to their history of being abused for promotions, a source of a harrassment and lawsuits, and because they apparently cause problems with productive work flow.

Originally posted by undo
this would, by virtue of its inference, include having breast reduction surgery, as large boobs are becoming the new "uncool" in the corporate world. it isn't that large boobs are literally less attractive, but rather that they are less attractive in the corporate world due to their history of being abused for promotions, a source of a harrassment and lawsuits, and because they apparently cause problems with productive work flow.

No it wouldn't infer that because you are beginning with the assumption that there is a big conspiracy in the corporate world against big breasts and you seem to be basing that opinion on the experiences of a few women who may or may not be correct. Indeed your entire stance can be refuted by using your own logic, if we find a couple of big breasted women in powerful positions then surely big breasts are not a barrier to success.

this is my issue with your line of argument.

Originally posted by undo

this would, by virtue of its inference, include having breast reduction surgery, as large boobs are becoming the new "uncool" in the corporate world.

No different then women getting boob jobs or stuffing their bras. At least breast reduction is usually for positive reasons - - and makes Cancer screening easier. Fatty tissue is removed. Foreign material is not inserted.

Did you know the largest increase in cosmetic/skin care products - - is the new men's lines.

The issues you keep bringing up - - - really have nothing to do with - - is cleavage in the office acceptable.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


i included my own experiences as well, which made it a great deal easier to see how something like this could actually be happening. a reverse pendulum swing, a backlash.

the 60s were also the height of the cold war with russia, and our universities and bra burning parties were being over run with communists from several communist nations or created by them in the first place.

it's entirely possible (and here goes another conspiracy theory) that it was encouraged to use their breasts for the good of communism, just as capitalism has been historically used to benefit communist and socialist political parties, but once they were in place, and had achieved the desired position, that avenue would be closed off to anyone but the most trusted associates.

once they controlled the universities and newpapers, news programs, and various types of media, had the ability to mold the minds of new generations of students, they made sure no one else who wasn't on the same ticket, would get anywhere near the type of influence and power, they had, by making it difficult for anyone else to succeed.

Wow this thread is so "what is the meaning of life?" Really 49 pages..


I just see two people basically debating what is how and why.. Can't this be u2u'd it looks like a love connection or something. I mean sexist female oppression... Over breasts.

Really?

I also am almost positive the op made this thread as a joke.

reply to post by Annee


the breast reduction data was in the link in the op. why do you keep moving the bar all over kingdom come, so that i must explain each thing i say, when it's already right there in the data to begin with? now i hear you saying that it isn't just an issue of smaller breasts and downplaying beauty, drab, featureless clothing, but also physical fitness, which effectively removes the bulk of people on the planet from applying for the job. next will you tell me that it also requires you have a DNA screening to determine if you'll ever be a health risk? maybe require any women that work for them to be sterilized first? i can just hear some depopulation afficiando saying "hey, not a bad idea..."

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Annee

 

the breast reduction data was in the link in the op. why do you keep moving the bar all over kingdom come, so that i must explain each thing i say, when it's already right there in the data to begin with? now i hear you saying that it isn't just an issue of smaller breasts and downplaying beauty, drab, featureless clothing, but also physical fitness, which effectively removes the bulk of people on the planet from applying for the job. next will you tell me that it also requires you have a DNA screening to determine if you'll ever be a health risk? maybe require any women that work for them to be sterilized first? i can just hear some depopulation afficiando saying "hey, not a bad idea..."

Nice try.

Here is the basics of this thread:

So, in your experience, as employees, employers, coworkers, men and women, what do you think? Should women be allowed to show cleavage in the workplace? Is asking a female to not show cleavage oppressive, or sexist? I find it disgusting that some bosses overlook some females just because they show cleavage. I think that reflects the perversion of thought in the boss's own mind, personally. People need to get over cleavage already! ALL women have breasts, (well, most do), and it should be MY choice how I want to dress or display my cleavage. Men must be very frightened of the power of the breast if they are passing cleavage minded women over for promotions, simply due to cleavage baring!!

reply to post by Annee


true but the first thing in the op is the link. am i not allowed to discuss the whole op?

are you just nit-pickin' me now? let me know, cause i'm probably not picking up on the nuances atm (have a chest cold, and am responding into between coughing bouts and nose blowing lol)

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Annee

 

true but the first thing in the op is the link. am i not allowed to discuss the whole op?

are you just nit-pickin' me now? let me know, cause i'm probably not picking up on the nuances atm (have a chest cold, and am responding into between coughing bouts and nose blowing lol)

NO - I'm not nit-picken'. I just don't see how you are applying it to the point of the post.

Sending you healing energy. I've tried to post when sick before. Not very successfully.

reply to post by Annee


why thankee.
wonder what happened to op. probably enjoying the holidays while we're here arguing over her op lol

I think this issue has a lot to do with sexist female oppression, actually.

I see a few sexist females.... oppressing reality with half truths and ignorant standpoints.

Sexist female oppression.

I'm just wondering if there is a single thing in this thread of 49 pages that has been brought up in an attempt to prove a "conspiracy against women" that hasn't quickly been debunked or discredited based on this thing we tend to inhabit called reality.

Not all women show cleavage, so isn't this more like a conspiracy against floozies in the workplace? Saying that women that bear cleavage are the representation of women in the workplace and discrimination against them is discrimination of all women is nothing short of fabricated lunacy.

And, again, I don't care how large her breasts are at all. Just... put.. fabric... over... them.... this is not rocket science, ladies. If you can't grasp this concept, don't be expecting a promotion to pretty much any position for a long, long time. Not because you have boobs, but because your ability to use your brain often affects your corporate status.

reply to post by Brood


mind pointing out who is supporting ignorant stand points?

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Brood

 

mind pointing out who is supporting ignorant stand points?

Anyone who supports the lie that this is a gender-specific suppression of fashion freedom.

reply to post by Brood


well it would be hard not to be gender specific if it's referring to cleavage of female breasts? and the op link is about the new trend to not promote people who have cleavage showing or who have large breasts (why else reduce breasts if they are not causing the promotion problem in the first place?)

Thank goodness my work has been mostly in advertising and publishing.

We like female employees to make fashion statements. The main thing is, our clients do too.