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Sexist Female Oppression? Cleavage In The Workplace

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posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:14 PM
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You can still be attractive without showing cleavage. There's a time and place for everything. And your right, cleavage shouldn't have anything to do with the ability to do the job or if you get promoted.




posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:16 PM
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It's sad you have pushed such a simplistic view on this, so if a man wants a woman to cover the cleavage at work it's because he can't control himself? Sorry but that's a ridiculous remark. Some of us simply want equality and guess what, men have to dress a certain way and so should women, that is equality. A business has to portray a certain image, it's not about being a sheep it's simply how customers perceive a company based on image.

For example lets consider two different businesses. One is a builder and the other is a marketting firm. Now as a perspective customer two building companies turn up at my door, the first are a bunch of guys in t-shirts and jeans, maybe a bit of brick dust or plaster here and there, the other companies is a bunch of guys in suits. I can assure you i will not be hiring the guys in suits. Reverse that for the marketting firm. It's all about professionalism and appropriate dress, people expect certain things.

To try and ridicule this and get out of it by labelling anyone who wants cleavage covered as a sex starved maniac with a lack of control is unfair and a dishonest way of controlling the debate.



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by Shikamaru
That's why I believe it partially pisses women off.
Their boss won't say it's because they have a massive shaboing right now because of the cleavage.
They'll claim the EMPLOYEE is simply being unprofessional.

Who's really unprofessional, the employee wearing clothes that show cleavage?
Or the guy who can't control his sexual desires, and for that matter his happy-stick?


Can you stop yourself from getting "moist" when you're horny?



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by yrwehere1
reply to post by hotbakedtater
 
You can still be attractive without showing cleavage. There's a time and place for everything. And your right, cleavage shouldn't have anything to do with the ability to do the job or if you get promoted.


In all seriousness, I think that if promotion or an acquiring of employment is
acheived by flashing a bit of wobbly skin, then the guy who allowed it to happen
is very shallow.



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:20 PM
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As a male I enjoy the female form as much as any other male out here. I am not particularly into big breasted women. I prefer women who are proportioned not big breasted.

However I am, also very much aware of how some women use or misuse their physical assets to work the system to their favor in lieu of real life skills and knowledge's.

I have three examples of women who haven't a clue, don't know the difference, and don't particularly care.


Years ago I was invited to a company Christmas Party by an older women I was dating. I am not into Christmas but decided to be her escort for the gala event at a local hotel ball room.
After spending some time with her on the dance floor I excused myself for a break and went out to the lobby. Sitting on a sofa I observed about 5 women in a group observing people entering the party. I soon realized that these women were watching and observing the other women.....they were not observing the men. What was transpiring as reflected in their faces and eyes..was cold...wild..and feral. It was a primordial pecking order being established. I realized I was observing a privileged moment..unguarded...wild and feral.
I knew that a couple of these women had degrees in business..were educated but it made no difference in the pecking order business...they were reverting back to what I considered uncivilized behaviors...primitive...base.
There was a ritual being carried out here..a primordial pecking order..with the nod of the head or shake of disapproval. A status ladder was being established. Ohh...that I had a video camera..this would have been a very interesting video for a psychology class.
I have never forgotten this occurrence.

So some of you guys are so dumb you think that women dress the way they do for you???

The second incident happened at my workplace. A woman in the crew applied for a job in an environment which offered better conditions..not exposed to elements..discomfiture. On the day of her interview this woman got dressed for the kill...like she was going out clubbing on Friday/Saturday night. To her surprise when she got to the interview the person giving the interview was a woman. The first question out of her mouth was why are you dressed in the manner you are?? She did not get the job.
What was more astonishing was that she had the bad judgement to return to our crew and tell what happened. Astonishing!!! She misjudged the tea leaves as applied to this circumstance. What is worse is her obvious sense of entitlement through the whole affair...that she could work the system in this case to her advantage in lieu of real applicable job skills. We tend to call this type of female ..."Working her way through the food chain."
What often happens in the workplace..is the other women or females turn on this type. The males are more want to give this type of woman/female a pass..not so with the other women. There is a female type "Mafia" out here ass evidenced by my first example above.

As a third example..I know several professional women who have told me that they have alot of problems at work with women/females who do not know how to dress professionally for their work environment. These women often dress as if they are going out clubbing on Friday/Saturday night. Some of them are so dumb that they have let them go after reminding them several times about their dress/attire.

I tend to agree with these women managers/professionals. IF a woman/female must needs dress like this...I am given immediately to wonder what is their real skill set in life.
I don't particularly find it difficult to get women to come over and take off their clothes. So a woman dressing provocatively in this manner is not impressive to me.
I have never been to Hooters and have no interest in going there. I find it insulting to have a woman dress like this to serve me with the intent of separating me from my hard earned monies.There is no "Oil Shortage " here at this address.

I found the OP's reasoning or lack there of disturbing. Her sense of "Entitlement " astonishing.

This is becoming textbook of todays genre. Self Promotion in this shallow manner. No thanks. There exists lots of Wildlife out here under numerous guises. This is only one of them.

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by Shikamaru

Sexual Harrassment does not only happen in the work place, it can happen on the street, front lawn, market, anywhere. So if you're insisting that wearing a low line shirt or mini skirt is considered harrassment, you're entirely making the clothing itself illegal. Because that's what Sexual Harrassment is.
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1) this is entire thread is about the WORKPLACE!
2) I have no complaints about people wearing whatever clothes they want in public, but it you want to wear revealing clothes in public, you have NO RIGHT to complain if people gawk at you or make unwanted advances to you... you by choice are encouraging this action
3) in no way am I endorcing or encouraging rape, but if you are wearing clothed that are revealing and someone walks up to you can calls you a slut or tells you that you are smoking hot, you have no say in not allowing that action... its freedom of speech, and you are the one that dressed accordingly to allow this kind of speech to be made
4) again, you seem to think its all about desire and you are completely wrong with that... some people find that an over abundance of skin to be completely disgusting and it makes them uncomfortable

whether it be this...



this...




this...















people need to learn time and place for appropriate dress

this is why we are not allowed to show up in the office wearing a speedo or bikini...



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:25 PM
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I have to agree with the person that said those agianst low cuts and short skirts should be shot on sight.

I want to vote this the best thread ever, but to show my pro- cleavage support Im going to Hooters for lunch



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:26 PM
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I wouldnt mind it. Its just nice tits are magnets for guys eyes there is nothing we can do about it its like the pied piper. we[men] cant do nothing about it, even if we wanted to.



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by A boy in a dress
reply to post by Shikamaru
 


The dilemma here is that men... [in my view)... are driven by sex.
The subject is on their minds whenever they interact with women.

Whether it's a primeval thing or driven by modern culture, men watch
women and I believe it's a remenent from the times when males bred
with many females as possible to further the species existence.

Men have always loved 'jubblies'

EDIT: Also men enjoy 'semi-hidden' breasts and the 'office cleavage'
is part of it.
edit on 17-12-2010 by A boy in a dress because: (no reason given)



women are just as sex driven as men when it comes to breasts....

number of Breast Augmentation surgeries in 2009: 311,957

www.heddenmd.com...

2008: 355,671

acesspro.org...

2007: 347,524

www.post-gazette.com...



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by Shikamaru

To the women who say you want them to dress professional. Is it really because you want them to act like a good little civilized sheep... or is it because you're a bit envious. Maybe you're overage, and your cleavage looks like the grand canyon... maybe it's because you're overweight, so yours hang down like drapes?

Stop acting like you're all a bunch of justified workers of pure conciousness and admit that each of you have a dark side, no matter who you are. Even the pope has one... pfft... the Holy One... my booty.


I love how the argument "your just jealous, er envious" and a plethora of attempted insults comes into play when a professional woman respects the workplace and believes women should dress appropriately for the workplace. I find it humorous and can always be expected to pop up eventually.


Jealousy is so far removed from this issue that I feel that those who continually scream "your just jealous" are quite insecure with themselves and feel the need to flaunt body parts rather than show off their brains and personality. After all - even those with perfect bodies will not have those perfect bodies forever unless they choose to undergo surgery. Brains and personality shall survive all the aging and gravity that happens to ALL women (and well men too).

The "your jealous" shhpeel is old and tiresome and holds absolutely no weight.



With that said...I appreciate the human body just as much as anyone else....but alas, this topic is about proper atire in the workplace...and fact is....there is class and there is.....tacky.
edit on December 17th 2010 by greeneyedleo because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:39 PM
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It would make work better to have a little more eye candy. If you got a good rack then I am more then happy to take a gander... However Ithat might increast the amount of "I lost my pen can I borrow yours real quick" (Peek Peek)


Stop the oppression, FREE THE Ta-Tas



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:42 PM
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there is class and there is.....tacky



Must be that most men like "Tacky" -- witness all the women who walk the streets. Class is something that is for sale today.



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:43 PM
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you gotta love how the majority of the people that are for allowing cleavage in the workplace are freely admiting that the only justification they have for it is so they can look at them....

people need to realize that this is about professional workplaces

if you want to show cleavage off on a regular basis, find a job that encourages this... don't expect to get away with it in a office or other professional environment



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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Fight the oppression!! free boobs!! free boobs!!



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by etcorngods

Must be that most men like "Tacky" -- witness all the women who walk the streets. Class is something that is for sale today.


I could care less what most people are wearing while walking the streets....

this discussion is about appropriate work attire



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by kalisdad

Originally posted by etcorngods

Must be that most men like "Tacky" -- witness all the women who walk the streets. Class is something that is for sale today.


I could care less what most people are wearing while walking the streets....

this discussion is about appropriate work attire


My guess is you like boobs in the workplace -- look at your avatar -- you are "two faced" -- maybe "Three faced".

You apparently don't know about the "women of the streets".??
edit on 17-12-2010 by etcorngods because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by A boy in a dress
reply to post by Shikamaru
 


The dilemma here is that men... [in my view)... are driven by sex.
The subject is on their minds whenever they interact with women.

Whether it's a primeval thing or driven by modern culture, men watch
women and I believe it's a remenent from the times when males bred
with many females as possible to further the species existence.

Men have always loved 'jubblies'

EDIT: Also men enjoy 'semi-hidden' breasts and the 'office cleavage'
is part of it.
edit on 17-12-2010 by A boy in a dress because: (no reason given)


I absolutely agree with you here. Breasts, whether shown or hidden, are power, and therefore control, whether the woman knows or admits it. Unless you geniuinely have the kind of job where you want to be judged on them, in my opinion they should be kept hidden. This doesn't have to mean unattractive, just not on display. It's also more respectful in a way, and I will admit that this is a *very* personal view, so don't trash me for this. Why should I, or any woman, assume that other people want to look at my breasts? Ok, so they're stunning, but that's not the point.....the point is, they are a uniquely female and therefore very intimate, and sexualised part of our anatomy. Do I really want to make people uncomfortable by showing them off at work? No...I don't. I have way more respect fo the people I work with for a start as well as customers and clients, to assume that it would be ok to make them look at me like that. All my staff are male too...it just wouldn't feel right.

And frankly, my job would be hell. I get enough dodgy comments as it is, dressed in the frumpiest, plainest, more unflattering uniform imaginable without showing a tiny bit of flesh. I took off my jacket behind the counter one day cos it was kinda warm, revealing an equally frumpy shirt that covers everything, and some skeezy old git in the shop asked me for a striptease. I glared at him, was polite and no more, and he bought his newspaper....as he tottered off he said over his shoulder "I see....I have to pay extra for the striptease, do I? "
I don't want to endure 9 hours of day of that kind of comment, and disrespect on that level...why should I?



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I love my breasts, they are a part of me I refuse to hide them. Many of my shirts are V cut, because I enjoy showcasing my best assetts, and I would hope that my work would be what people judge, not my breasts.


Sorry, but when you're at work, it's no place to "showcase" your breasts. It's funny that so many women feel offended when men stare at their breasts at work, yet here you are wanting to showcase yours. Who are you showing them off to, exactly? What kind of attention are you looking to get at work? Like it or not, many men are aroused by breasts. Unless you're fishing for a guy, I'd suggest you cover up at work so that it doesn't distract your male co-workers. They have to take some personal responsibility for their reaction and lack of productivity, of course, but I'm sure your boss would appreciate it if you created as little distraction as possible. Concentrate on showing off your good work habits.
If you're showcasing your assets to your female co-workers,... well... they don't really need to see them, they have their own. Just a thought. I'm not saying showing off breasts at work should be illegal, I'm not saying it should be the reason for the lack of a promotion, but just be aware of the type of attention it will get you.



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 03:16 PM
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To the women who say you want them to dress professional. Is it really because you want them to act like a good little civilized sheep... or is it because you're a bit envious. Maybe you're overage, and your cleavage looks like the grand canyon... maybe it's because you're overweight, so yours hang down like drapes?


Please...


Dressing for a work-appropriate setting is doable and it does not matter what the body or the boob size is. Having this opinion does not mean one is jealous of, overweight or ugly in person. Nice deflection attempt, though.


Stop acting like you're all a bunch of justified workers of pure conciousness and admit that each of you have a dark side, no matter who you are. Even the pope has one... pfft... the Holy One... my booty.


Does one's dark side include flashing "the girls" at work? If so, to each their own. As I said before, dress and do what you will (at work or otherwise) just don't be surprised at the reactions and consequences you receive (be them good/bad or indifferent).


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posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by LadySkadi
Even the pope has one... pfft... the Holy One... my booty.


From the looks of your avatar -- your body does you well when trolling.

My guess is, the Pope is not a Breast fan. Didn't you notice, he walks a foot off the ground. Little boys and men don't have breasts.




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