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The American Dream Is Dead

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posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 11:08 AM
While listening to the radio the other day I was treated to some very interesting information.

A new study has shown (with verifiable data) that it now pays to be poor in this country. This study compared two groups while gathering this data. The first is a single parent family of three earning 14,500 USD a year (minimum wage) and the second is a family of four earning 60,000 USD a year. The study goes through and lists average expenses for both families as well as available government assistance. When all the numbers have been crunched, it turns out that the family earning minimum wage actually has more disposable income than the family earning 60K a year!

The study information can be found HERE

Wow! I thought to myself. But did this really surprise me? Should this really surprise anyone? I don't think so.

The leadership of this country has been pushing government dependency and assassinating the drive to succeed for many years now. Not since Reagan (in my opinion) have we had anyone really encouraging bettering yourself and the spirit of the entrepreneur. We are told now that we should all be equal and all be on the same level. Now look where that attitude has gotten us.

We are fortunate to live in a country where the only limits on what we can accomplish have been ourselves. We are now in a time where our own government has put into place policies to limit our success. More than that, personal success is actually frowned upon today!

Looking at the data above, who would you say is funding this disposable income? The super rich? Absolutely not. This type of funding is coming from the average tax paying citizen in this country. Now, am I unsympathetic to those in need? Of course not - but this system has become completely unhinged. What reason does the average person have to succeed anymore? Especially if they are looking at the type of success that would put them into the ranks of the evil rich earning 250,000 (or is it just 200K) a year now.

These types of studies really get me angry. It's no wonder when you look at this why some people would rather live off the government than provide for themselves. What a shame.

I'm sure there are plenty of members here who will disagree with me on this, and that's great. If you've got some information to the contrary, I'd love to see it. I don't want this to be true.

I love this country too much.

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 11:18 AM
reply to post by nyk537

Yes I guess that is now correct if you want to suck off the teet of the hardworking people of this country. Obama is in redistribution mode. Take from the middle class and give it to people who come hear illegally and get a car get food stamps colloge tuition zero interst loans..

What do they get in return? The votes to keep these socialist in power.

I should start reporting real news and go down to the welfare office and bust out my camera and show what these people are getting for free. Jay where my free stuff at. Oh I love you jay. And after they leave and there navigator or lexus they go to the store shopping with there state offered credit card. Here you go more free stuff you dont need to work just keep on sucking.

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 11:19 AM
Humans did not start getting paid by the hour until the German Weihmar Republic.

Their country had so much debt the people demanded to get paid by the hour, so they could demand higher wages...hour by hour to keep up with their country going bankrupt.

Look at where america is today. The people should be demanding more per hour.

Just flood the country with paper currency to deal with the 70 million baby boomers needing social security.

Nope the elite don't want to do everyone's got to expect an even worse fate than running wheel barrows of currency to the grocery store for bread. Enslavement and permanent poverty.

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 11:20 AM
Any system can be scammed. The part time worker in the study is obviously scamming the system to get the maximum result with minimum input. This happens, sadly.

People cheat. For a reason. The payoff is good. This has been happening ever since we've had social programs. People cheat the system. Yeah, it makes me angry, too.

Our social program needs to be revamped (Welfare reform) to hold people accountable or else they're going to take advantage of it. It's been happening forever. I'm not sure why it has anything to do with Obama...
edit on 12/16/2010 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 11:23 AM
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

I agree completely that people do in fact scam the system.

What makes me angry however is that the government has made it easier and easier to do so. The policies and systems that have been put into place over the last few years have set up a government which basically assists anyone and everyone. Not only that, but I believe that the government is actively trying to get more and more people on government assistance and dependence.

It all comes back to power in my opinion, and the government just can't get enough.

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 11:49 AM
reply to post by nyk537

The leadership of this country has been pushing government dependency and assassinating the drive to succeed for many years now. Not since Reagan (in my opinion) have we had anyone really encouraging bettering yourself and the spirit of the entrepreneur.

The assassination has been intentional. Anyone who is 55 or older remembers the "old US of A" and like me is probably wondering what happen.

I finally figured it out this morning.
First a real eye opening chart. (A friend recently remarked there is no integrity or honesty left in the USA. Seems he is correct.)

Now to connect the other dots.

This transformation was the result of organized plans developed by a group of highly powerful " though unelected " financial and industrial executives who wanted to drastically change agricultural practices in the US to better serve their collective corporate financial agenda. This group, called the Committee for Economic Development, was officially established in 1942 as a sister organization to the Council on Foreign Relations....

...A report published in 1962 entitled "An Adaptive Program for Agriculture"[3] is even more blunt in its objectives, leading Time Magazine to remark that CED had a plan for fixing the identified problem: "The essential fact to be faced, argues CED, is that with present high levels farm productivity, more labor is involved in agriculture production that the market demands " in short, there are too may farmers. To solve that problem, CED offers a program with three main prongs."

Some of the report's authors would go on to work in government to implement CED's policy recommendations. Over the next five years, the political and economic establishment ensured the reduction of "excess human resources engaged in agriculture" by two million, or by 1/3 of their previous number....

The human cost of CED's plans were exacting and enormous.

CED's plans resulted in widespread social upheaval throughout rural America, ripping apart the fabric of its society destroying its local economies. They also resulted in a massive migration to larger cities. The loss of a farm also means the loss of identity, and many farmers' lives ended in suicide [6], not unlike farmers in India today who have been tricked into debt and desperation and can see no other way out.[7]

The explosion in the number of incarcerations does not come after WWII. It does not come after the baby boomers hit the work force. It comes after the CED rips apart the fabric of its society causing a massive migration to larger cities.

This is also the time period when American business is driven out of the USA thanks to massive red tape. OSHA was signed into law late in 1969 and the EPA began operation on December 2, 1970. The trend has continued until a small number of multinational corporations hold the world in a stranglehold and encourage governments to pass law that hamstring competing small business.


"....These days, corporations seem to exist for the investment bankers.... In fact, investment banks are replacing the publicly held industrial corporations as the largest and most powerful economic institutions in America....

THERE ARE SIGNS THAT A VICIOUS spiral has begun, as each corporate player seeks to improve its standard of living at the expense of another's. Corporate raiders transfer to themselves, and other shareholders, part of the income of employees by forcing the latter to agree to lower wages.
New York Times:

Again look at the chart of incarcerations it shows the results of the ripping apart of American society followed by the outsourcing of American jobs. In 1970 - 24% of Americans were engaged in manufacturing, now it is less than 9% and the big four employers are the US government, Walmart, Kelly Temp services (office staff) and McDonalds! Do you think someone like me trained as a chemist and lab manager is HAPPY working for Wally Mart???

The surge in the use of Alcohol and drugs and the increase in incarcerations parallels the surge in despair.

The American dream is dead, strung up and strangled by red tape with banker/leeches sucking the corpse dry.

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 12:27 PM

Originally posted by crimvelvet
The assassination has been intentional. Anyone who is 55 or older remembers the "old US of A" and like me is probably wondering what happen.

Of course it has been intentional. The government of this country is actively seeking to destroy the American spirit and everything it once stood for.

I don't believe that you need to be 55 or older to remember the good USA either. It wasn't that long ago that things were still looking good.

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 01:05 PM
when has american dream been a reality for any american ever in the history of america as a colony or a nation with natural inhabitants? please tell me there is some unity i failed to observe that dictates there is an american dream that is collectively real. or is the objectivity of my mentioning of collectivity the key and the american dream is the dream that a lawless man to a nations natural inhabitants can be a rich man to his own nations citizens?

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 01:37 PM
reply to post by nyk537

I don't believe that you need to be 55 or older to remember the good USA either. It wasn't that long ago that things were still looking good.

I am glad to here that. I hope you looked at that graph it is a real eye opener. No wonder the USA has the most number of people per capita in jail! Now we are going to add farmers and small businessman

posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 12:16 AM
reply to post by crimvelvet

The number of people in jail is a completely different topic for discussion. The fact that the government is basically paying people to underachieve is my concern.

posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 05:16 AM
reply to post by Ausar

when has american dream been a reality for any american ever in the history of america...


Of course people have "accomplished" the American Dream.

An Example:
My grandparents came from various countries. My fathers parents came here at the age of 16 and 17. They married and my grandpa died in the 1916-1918 Spanish flu pandemic. He left my grandma with a baby (Dad) and four sibs. Despite the fact she was under thirty, grandma ended up owning a butcher shop in Harlem (Yeah the one in NYC) and put all of her kids through college. All of her Grandkids became quite successful too. My brother owns a decent size corporation and all my cousins have PHd's. Not bad for an au pair from a farm in Germany.

It is only the recent generations who have not done better than their parents because of the bloodsucking banksters. If you want a detailed explanation see my Reference Thread

posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 05:48 AM
reply to post by nyk537

The number of people in jail is a completely different topic for discussion. The fact that the government is basically paying people to underachieve is my concern.

It is a concern of mine also. Unfortunately it is by deliberate design I am afraid.

"For 10 years, William Schmidt, a statistics professor at Michigan State University, has looked at how U.S. students stack up against students in other countries in math and science. "In fourth-grade, we start out pretty well, near the top of the distribution among countries; by eighth-grade, we're around average, and by 12th-grade, we're at the bottom of the heap, outperforming only two countries, Cyprus and South Africa."

Is it any wonder Corporations now import workers from other countries?

... Surveys of corporations consistently find that businesses are focused outside • the U.S. to recruit necessary talent. In a 2002 survey, 16 global corporations complained that American schools did not produce students with global skills. United States companies agreed. The survey found that 30 percent of large U.S. companies “believed they had failed to exploit fully their international business opportunities due to insufficient personnel with international skills.”

...the U.S. ranks 21st out of 29 Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) countries in mathematics scores, with nearly one-quarter of students unable to solve the easiest level of questions....In 2000, 28 percent of all freshmen entering a degree-granting institution required remedial coursework

Here is the reason Americans are no longer competitive on the global labor market. In case you were not aware John Dewey is called the father of "Modern Education"

Dumbing Down America
Dewey's philosophy had evolved from Hegelian idealism to socialist materialism, and the purpose of the school was to show how education could be changed to produce little socialists and collectivists instead of little capitalists and individualists. It was expected that these little socialists, when they became voting adults, would dutifully change the American economic system into a socialist one.

In order to do so he analyzed the traditional curriculum that sustained the capitalist, individualistic system and found what he believed was the sustaining linchpin -- that is, the key element that held the entire system together: high literacy. To Dewey, the greatest obstacle to socialism was the private mind that seeks knowledge in order to exercise its own private judgment and intellectual authority. High literacy gave the individual the means to seek knowledge independently. It gave individuals the means to stand on their own two feet and think for themselves. This was detrimental to the "social spirit" needed to bring about a collectivist society. Dewey wrote in Democracy and Education, published in 1916:

When knowledge is regarded as originating and developing within an individual, the ties which bind the mental life of one to that of his fellows are ignored and denied.

When the social quaility of individualized mental operations is denied, it becomes a problem to find connections which will unite an individual with his fellows. Moral individualism is set up by the conscious separation of different centers of life. It has its roots in the notion that the consciousness of each person is wholly private, a self-inclosed continent. intrinsically independent of the ideas, wishes, purposes of everybody else.'

And he wrote in School and Society in 1899:

'The tragic weakness of the present school is that it endeavors to prepare future members of the social order in a medium in which the conditions of the social spirit are eminently wanting ...

The mere absorbing of facts and truths is so exclusively individual an affair that it tends very naturally to pass into selfishness. There is no obvious social motive for the acquirement of merely learning, there is no clear social gain in success threat."

To put it bluntly the banker/corporate elite who formed the Committee on Economic Development, the Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberger and other groups, not only stole Americans money, they stole our culture and our future, may they all rot in the ninth level of Hades.

Unfortunately the Socialists, Progressives, liberals and other naive soft hearted people have never realized that the elite/bankers use them to draft laws used to steal from the poor and give to the rich. Laws that make sure that future generations do not have the oppurtunity to advance as my grand parents did. Soon the only Entrepreneur will be pimps and drug pushers because all other options will become impossible due to the huge amount of red tape and poor return on investment.

With the passage of S-510, the Food Safety Farce and the 1099 tax provisions for small businesses attached in the Obamacare law. We are just about there.

It is no wonder that the small businessmen you meet now are often unethical, they are the only ones who can stay in business. If you do not steal and cheat you can not make a living.

posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 05:16 PM
That report on when farming ended in America indeed has truth to it.

I saw farming collapse. Farmers no longer can sell milk and make money. America started letting foreign countries sell powdered milk, which was imported into America to make our dairy products. These 3rd world dirt holes farms create milk and they have to boil off the water to create powdered milk. Then they import it into America where companies buy it dirt cheap and mix it in to make their milk or dairy products. Look at all the crude oil waste boiling it down in that 3rd world dirt hole...then diesel fuel for the ship to ship it here....then more electricity to mix that powder back with water...then all those trucks to run it around America.

We've been wasting the crude oil of this planet. Sadly we lost our dairy farmers over Corporate Evil and their profits as well. I know 1 farmer still going and he's making money....doing nothing. He applied for the Soybean and other crop subsidies to NOT GROW CROPS...they even pay him to NOT HAVE lambs, pigs, etc... He's never grown Soy or had pigs/lambs. He's just making money sitting and is one of the few that was able to keep his farm.

The evil we've done upon this planet is just incomprehensible.

The world needs to punish us for letting the Corporations destroy this planet and rob us all.

posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 05:49 PM

Night Owl: "...what happened to the American Dream?"

Comedian: "...what happened to the American Dream...IT CAME TRUE. You're looking at it.(walks away)."

Gave me chills the first time I watched it

posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 06:01 PM
Thought this was applicable as well:

It's called the American Dream........because you have to be asleep to believe it.

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