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Is the story of Santa Claus and Rudolph based on a UFO sighting

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posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 07:46 AM
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

No, I'm not serious.

Glad to be a rival.

posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 08:28 AM
Lets try to stay civil and in the holiday spirit, hmm?

Sure, it's possible that the author of Rudolph saw a UFO and it inspired the story, but that's all it can be, is an idea, as there's nothing else to back it up. It's more likely he saw a light in the fog, and got the idea.

As for the Night Before Christmas, the easiest defense of non-flying reindeer, is the line, "and out on the lawn, there arose such a clatter" (something to that effect)... which tells you he's on the ground, and not landing on rooftops.

However, this part certainly seems to have been misinterpreted:

As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky.
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of Toys, and St Nicholas too.

But, when really reading it, it just showed they had the ability to jump high and move fast....not fly.

posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 06:51 PM
Alright - here is a holiday shocker. Good idea to start this thread. What I am about to share is still not widely disseminated information, but I offer it here for your evaluation.

It is almost literally food for thought. The Santa myth comes from Siberian shamanism. Central to their traditions are the amanita muscaria mushrooms - you know, the big red ones with white spots? These grow exclusively under pine trees, as their mycelium has a symbiotic connection to the roots of the tree. The mushrooms grow in the cold conditions of Siberia, and are gathered and collected by native groups there for consumption. The amanita muscaria mushrooms in known as "fly agaric" and the flying mushroom. And indeed there are real reindeer that live in Siberia and they love to eat these mushrooms. Once the people gather these mushrooms, they enter through the tops of their houses which are usually snowed in around the sides with a bag-full of these amanitas. They dry them out by the fireplace. The mushrooms are eaten ceremonially, and the effect is one of hallucination and out of body experience. The first place the shamans go when they leave the body is the North Star. The Big Dipper circles the North Star in a 24 hour period and has been known to represent the chariot of Odin & Wotan, Thor, King Arthur, and even Osiris (of Egypt). This is also Santa's sleigh. Siberian shamans dress in red and white in reverence to the amanita muscaria mushrooms.

Interesting, right? I think so.

The full story on amanita muscaria mushrooms and religion and Christmas can be found in that youtube video clip posted by someone else a few comments back - or from this website:

James Arthur - Mushrooms and Mankind

The Santa Claus and Christmas traditions of today have metamorphosed out of many older mythologies. The icons, symbols, and relics that have managed to survive from the "Winter Solstice" celebrations of old, have a commonality that deserves some reflection, study, and perhaps even some reverence. Understanding that these traditions are borrowed ones, is central to getting at the heart of the true meaning of Christmas.

Christmas is commonly thought of as a Christian holiday (the birth of Jesus). Many Christian beliefs and traditions were borrowed from more ancient religions and mythologies. This is well documented by authors such as Gerald Massey, Godfrey Higgins, Robert Graves, Kersey Graves and many others. The virgin birth, the incarnation of God, the sacrament, Christmas, Easter, etc. have all been adopted/stolen by Christianity as its own.

It is well documented by fundamentalists (apologists) that the Christmas traditions are Pagan in origin.. This simply means that their origin comes from the traditions of the country-folk (pagan). By contrast, the Pagan origins of most of the other attributes of Christianity are vigorously denied. It is also very easy to obscure, overlook and discredit the Egyptian, Mithraic, Germanic, Norse, Celtic, Greek, Hindu and Buddhist roots by lumping all non-Christian religions together and labeling them Pagan. These are certainly not simple country-folk religions. So to just say Christmas has Pagan roots, and not go further, is glossing over what exactly those roots are, and discrediting their study as worthless. Christmas icons, traditions and stories have hidden meanings. Although not initially apparent, a more thorough investigation reveals far more symbolic content (which is decipherable) than originally suspected. At the roots of this symbolism research is information about the secrets of the mushroom, regarding its habitats, forms, uses, preparations, and effects.

Shaman of Siberia and the Russian icon, St. Nicholas, both play parts in the tale of Christmas, providing clues as to where Christmas came from and why there are certain symbols associated with the holiday. It is these types of clues that will help (the questors) in the deciphering of the symbols. Siberian Shaman used/use (despite governmental oppression) the Amanita muscaria as a religious sacrament. It is used for spiritual vision, out-of-body travel into the realms of the spirits, and as a plant-spirit guide in teaching and healing. The value of the inebriant is placed highly among the commodities of the native tribesmen, fetching reindeer pelts, meats, and all manner of tradable goods in payment and barter. Interesting to note: If you aren't quick enough in the hunt, you will find only the mushroom stubs, the rest greedily gobbled up by the hungry reindeer.

So, why do people bring Pine trees into their houses at the Winter Solstice, placing brightly colored (Red and White) packages under their boughs, as gifts to show their love for each other and as representations of the love of God and the gift of his Sons life?

It is because, underneath the Pine bough is the exact location where one would find this "Most Sacred" Substance, the Amanita muscaria, in the wild (in Nature). These mushrooms grow in a symbiotic/mycorrhizal relationship with the Pine tree, which means they always grow underneath it. The symbolic placing of gifts under the tree at Christmas is a sort of proxy-present-giving action, whereby the celebrants ritually mimic the work of God/Santa/Nature, by placing under the tree a gift (actually The gift). Big clue here: Winter brings rain; rain brings mushrooms, In the mountains, at Christmas time, under the Pine trees. Then and there will you find that which unlocks the key mysteries of the Universe, through a multi-dimensionalizing of the consciousness in a way that no other known substance can. This Gnosis (joining together of your mind with the mind of the Universal Consciousness) is what the Sages, Mystics, Teachers, and Prophets were attempting to communicate through their rampant symbolism. (Had they not feared persecution, they may have spoken of it openly and directly in public documents.)

# Saint Nicholas is the patron Saint of children in Siberia (Russia), a supplanter to the indigenous Shaman.
# The Amanita muscaria mushrooms grow nearly exclusively under the Christmas (Coniferous) Trees (Birch also [another whole story]).
# The Reindeer eat these mushrooms, hence the presumed flight.
# Santa brings presents in his white bag/sack. Mushrooms are gathered in bags, and Amanita muscaria sprouts out of a white vulvae sack.
# The mushrooms are red and white and grow under a green tree. Christmas colors are red, white and green.
# Typically, the red and white mushrooms are dried by stringing them on the hearth of the fireplace. Christmas stockings are red and white, hung in the same way, and shaped similar.
# The Virgin Birth is symbolic for the "seedless" growth/germination pattern of the mushroom. To the ancient mind, with no microscope to see the spores, it's appearance was thought to be miraculous.
# The very name, "Christmas" is a holiday name composed of the words, "Christ" (meaning "one who is anointed with the Magical Substance") and "Mass" (a special religious service/ceremony of the sacramental ingestion of the Eucharist, the "Body of Christ"). In the Catholic tradition, this substance (Body/Soma) has been replaced by the doctrine of "Trans-substantiation", whereby in a magical ceremony the Priests claim the ability to transform a "cracker/round-wafer" into the literal "Body of Christ"; ie, a substitute or placebo.

posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 07:23 PM
I think that the term "Santa Claus" is a euphenism for UFO for the folks at NORAD. NORAD radar is primarily oriented towards monitoring the arctic circle for incoming Russian bombers (referred to as "Bears"). Not all the incoming "unidentified bogies" detected on radar are bears. Some are "UFOs" (not Russians) and since it is highly frowned upon to call these "flying saucers" or "UFOs" or anything which acknowledges their potential otherworldly origins, the officers and enlisted men who work in these installations refer to these UFOs as "Santa Claus", (somewhat mockingly) as of course, no one is supposed to believe in them but it is safe to laugh it off as "must be Santa Claus! Hah Hah".

You look at the origins of the NORAD annual Christmas "tracking of Santa Claus", it began in the 1950s when Col. Shoup, manning CONAD headquarters in Colorado Springs received a telephone call by a youngster looking for Santa Claus (a local newspaper ad by Sears had provided a wrong number for the Santa hotline). Col. Shoup told the youngster that they were responsible for tracking Santa Claus on radar.

Note that Col. Shoup was commander at Truax Field in Madison, Wisconsin when one of the bases F-89s was taken by "Santa Claus" while flying on an Air Defense mission over Lake Superior in 1953. So Col. Harry Shoup was quite aware of how important it was to track "Santa Claus", as he had the responsibility of informing the pilot's wife that her husband was missing.

posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 07:48 PM

Originally posted by amc621

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Originally posted by amc621
Think about it. The story of Santa and his flying sleigh are VERY old. What could have started that?

Rudolph is from a song written by cowboy actor/singer Gene Autry.

Santa, on the other hand, is this:

The History of Santa Claus

Well either one could be generated from a Alien sighting. I just think it's too coincindental.


You think that the story of Santa Claus and alien sightings are "too coincidental"?......really?

Get a grip!!!

posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 08:04 PM
reply to post by corsair00

That is a most interesting read. It is certainly true that most Christian traditions (and beliefs) have roots in older "pagan" beliefs. I have certainly read that Amanita Muscaria is one of the more powerful naturally occuring haluicinagins, and it is found in temperate forests.

posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 08:09 PM
Santa Claus

Is a euthemism for Satans Claws designed by Coca Cola
Who have the theme tune "The Holidays are Coming" missing out any reference to Jesus

Christmas Holiday in history began with Ancient Eygptians who had a 360 day calander and then a 5 day holiday
for Sun Worship.....

Constantine became the first ever Christian Roman Emperor but who made allegience to Apollo the sun God on
his deathbed... Declared that December 25th be known as the birth of Jesus Christ taking over the ceremony of
the birth of the new sun and ending the height of winter.

The holy and the Ivy Satans most treasured plants

Mistletoe to do with Witchcraft

The Tree .... A pyrimid you put a star or an eye upon or a fallen angel .....Wrap tinsel or the serpent upon it.

Christ was born on the 11th September 3bc many books wrote about this and a great google documentry by rick clay unfortunately murdered for revealing this info...

Plus Christ died on the cross at the age of 33 ...

When you get to 9/11
you have flight 93 September and 3bc
Flight 33 Age of Death
and flight 11 Birth Date you now know why such things occur on these dates and why you are obliged to worship the red coated imagery man promising false gifts...

If this is a bit much to take in I am sorry.... But truth strengthens the soul the thing Government wants to destroy .

Have a good holiday .... but remermber the date is false ... but please remember 9/11 as the birth of Jesus no matter how hard they try to make this day seem demonic and bad... by their own deeds...

posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 07:31 AM
reply to post by corsair00

exactly, these Norse traditions are the basis of the Santa and reindeer story

Someone asked why the Elves always dress in green, it's because green was the colour
worn by faery folk and elves in Celtic and other fokelore. Faeries were connected to nature and there are some tales where their skin it's self is green, unlike ours. Due to the faery folks 'tricky' and unpredictable nature It was actually considered unlucky to wear green and still is by some. Christianity just assimilated these older ideasand traditions.

The similarities between the modern greys and the beings encountered by shamans on mushrooms
is very interesting. Graham Hancock and Jacques Vallee have written about this connection. So you could say there is an alien connection here but I don't think there's any evidence that anyone 'physically' saw Santa and his flying reindeer.

posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 07:34 AM
reply to post by robertauthor

What you say about holly and ivy is just an example of the P.R spin put on
old beliefs by christianity. Evergreen plants were a symbol of eternity and everlasting
life. They were considered to harbour the life force/ spirit that had seemingly disapeared
from most of nature in the winter. that is why people took them indoors in winter and the origin of tge tree and wreath traditions. Linking them to satan was a way to try and discourage pagan

The mistletoe is not connected to witchcraft but druidry. It represents the male
creative force. If you crush the berries the juice resembles semen. It was also revered
as it seems to appear magically on it's host trees and does not have roots that need
the soil like other plants.
edit on 18-12-2010 by DrHammondStoat because: doh!

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