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What style of government do you favor the most?

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posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 10:35 PM
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The Nerdling World Oligarchy

I will reign supreme, assisted by a team of advisors.

We basically run on fear and intimidation, it works too.




posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 10:36 PM
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Republics for sure.

I would be a cool kid and say anarchy, but those only work until we realize that we need a system, and then eventually the system gets so big we decide to overthrow it and have another anarchy...that is...until we realize we need a system...

anarchy of the body would not be possible in todays world. anarchy of the mind and soul? hell yeah

nerdling: can i be an adivsor??? im a total dork, i could be the dorky scientist that foreshadows the end of the world but nobody listens to. please oh please!!!!!!!!

[edit on 7-5-04 by Scat]



posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 10:39 PM
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Have France. I just cant get rid of that land.

Feel free to commission massive projects that aid in the glory of my supreme authority..



posted on Jul, 5 2004 @ 11:01 PM
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Muppet~

I quite understand why the United Kingdom keeps their royalty. It's quite a good investment for you guys.

Yes, in America Bush pretty much just ignores the parts of the constitution that he doesn't like, but that is not at all how it's supposed to work.

In theory the American system is supposed to be based upon checks and balances so that no one branch of government or person becomes too powerful, however when one party controls the White House, Senate and House of Reps, there start to be less checks on power and the Supreme Court can only do so much.

The American system worked well for over 200 years and only the last four have really shown some of the glairing holes in the system, mostly due to partisan politics. Interestingly George Washington, the first president, was wholeheartedly against the system of political parties, giving several empassioned adresses against them. He predicted that eventually cross-party hatred would lead to the downfall of America.

One more interesting thing about the American political system, the fringe American Democratic Socialist Party is actually backed by the UK's Labour Party as their branch in the United States.

I would actually classify the basic political atmosphere in Britan to be democratic socialist, with the government controling things like the British National Coal Board and British Airways. It's not a radical idea, but an exceptionally pragmatic one, taking the best elements from socialism and capitolist democracy and blending them together. It's also a very diverse political system, as it does not always define the exact type of government that it entails. A democratic socialist nation could be a Constitutional Monarchy (like the UK) a republic, a direct democracy or a parlimentary democracy, so long as the government is representitive of the people, they have freedom, liberty and the government has at least moderate control over the economy. Most modern industrialized nations fit these guidelines, although the United States does not because of it's weaker hand with the economy (although the FDIC has control over basic interest rates and such.)

Hope that helps a bit.

May Peace Travel With You
~Astral



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 07:04 AM
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I see. You're right.. I guess we are Democratic Socialist Constitutional Monarchy! God save the Queen and the People too!!


I understand you're points about the US system too, and he dangers of single party control of Senate and Congress.. (though I admit I'm not entirely clear on how these bodies function). Am I right in thinking this is one of the reasons some people are calling for the devolution of power from Federal Govt back to state level?

I ask this, because as Brit we are facing similar issues ourselves, in the form of the EU. Whilst on paper it the principles seem well intentioned, there is potential for Europe to go a similar way as the US, and there is probably a lot we can learn from you guys as to how things have worked out in practice.



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 05:24 PM
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Actually muppet, the people who want to devolve the US government back to the state level are the same ones who support Bush and his party.

In America, the Supreme Court reviews laws created by the Congress (house and senate) and signed by the president, and determines if they violate the cosntitution. However the Supreme Court is the one branch of the Federal Government that Bush and his Neo-Con friends have not been able to take over. So they have ruled several times against their conservative agenda. (Note: American Conservatives are not much like the UK party of the same name, rather they are much farther to the right, believing in a very different set of morals and ideals)

Since World War 2, the Supreme Court has been more liberal than conservative and they have ruled in ways that really did not sit well with the American conservatives, especially one group called the Religious Right who are Christians and beileve that America should follow basic Christian ideals.

The Supreme Court ruled reciently that the act of sodomy should not be illegal, and this irked the American Conservatives to a great degree and seemed to be the last straw for them. First they tried to ammend the constitution to limit the Supreme Court's power but when that went nowhere they decied that the best way to complete their takeover of the American government was to shift power back to the states, because they held power in many of them as well.

If you read through all of the posts by FreeMason, and the debates BadKitty, Esther and I have had with him you'll see that he is pushing a very conservative and very religious agenda.

Although I should also note that the majority of Americans do not want power shifted back to states, they are quite happy with the strong federal government and the kind of thing that FreeMason and others are talking about is not at all likely to happen.

About the EU, I've spend a good deal of time in Europe, mostly the UK and France, and I'm moving back across the pond in 2005. I've kept up on the politics over there deciently well, and yes Europe faces a serious choice: How united should the European Union be?

America history can teach you quite a bit there, a strong federal government could help the EU become a superpower much quicker, but make sure not to repeat the mistakes of America, many parties and a parlimentary system could help a bit, as could a limited role for any one leader. America's president is very powerful, and can shape the direction of the nation to a great degree himself, a weaker president or prime minister could forfill his or her role without becoming as powerful as the American counterpart.

Hope that helps!

May Peace Travel With You
~Astral

[edit on 7/6/2004 by The Astral City]



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 05:37 PM
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Thank you Astral, for taking the time to explain it to a muppet like me!


As for the EU, I guess it all depends on how united Europe wants to be..I think in general most Europeans don't really want to be a super power, just secure. we'll just have to see how it all turns out.



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 11:46 PM
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Hmmm... a Socialist government has come up more than I would have expected it to. To those who favor a Socialist government... Why? What advantages do you think it has over other types of government? Does uncorrupted Socialism protect the rights of individuals, and encourage new ideas in the marketplace, and if so, how?




posted on Jul, 7 2004 @ 12:01 AM
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Don't you guys think Usa and Britain are imperialist countries?



posted on Jul, 7 2004 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by Conan The Usurper
Don't you guys think Usa and Britain are imperialist countries?


The UK used to be (so was most of Europe's major countries back in the past)... but the British Empire ended with World War II. The US has never been imperialist; there are nations we temporarily occupied (such as the Phillipines after the Spanish-American War, and Germany, Itlay, and Japan after World War II), but all those nations are sovereign today. The US is more interested in selling you stuff, and not getting attacked by you, than owning you!



posted on Jul, 7 2004 @ 12:22 AM
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I agree to a point, GB ended their imperialism with WWII, but America has been imperialistic in the past.

America had it's own sphere of influence in China, they had control of much of the pacific islands, and still control many. Generally America is content to keep US-friendly powers in control of most countries, America gets the money without needing to have troops in the country. This has been done lots, the Shaw of Iran, House of Saud, South Vietnamese, Noreaga and Sadam are just some that came back to bite the US.

America is not an imperialist nation in the old traditional sense like the European powers, but they are in the business of making the world work for them.

Blessed Be
~Astral



posted on Jul, 7 2004 @ 12:32 AM
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hmmm not sure myself but will look to it

here is some interesting links about america being an imperialist country.

www.leftyslinks.org...

www.gulf-news.com...

this one is very good:

www.wordiq.com...

happy reading



posted on Jul, 7 2004 @ 12:39 AM
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Anarchist and communism.

Why ?

Because most laws are designed to protect the rich from the poor (when you think about it), and not only that they are designed to stifle (rules for the sake of rules). We are so overregulated it isn't even funny. Sometimes it's hard to breathe quite frankly.

Communism because I think it would go that one step further towards making life a little bit fairer for all. In other words, no more Bill Gateses or Sam Waltons making their fortunes off the blood, sweat and tears of the worker ants and making such INSANE amounts of money that they will NEVER be able to spend while at the same time tripping over homeless people in cardboard boxes on their way into posh restaurants.



posted on Jul, 7 2004 @ 12:45 AM
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hail comrades!
i forgot to say my choice would be communism....which has never been tried so far, i think.

(ussr was a dictature by the way not a communist country, same for china)



posted on Jul, 7 2004 @ 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by KayEm
Because most laws are designed to protect the rich from the poor (when you think about it), and not only that they are designed to stifle (rules for the sake of rules). We are so overregulated it isn't even funny... Communism because I think it would go that one step further towards making life a little bit fairer for all. In other words, no more Bill Gateses or Sam Waltons making their fortunes off the blood, sweat and tears of the worker ants and making such INSANE amounts of money that they will NEVER be able to spend...


I agree with your comment that overregulation is a very bad thing, but I disagree that Socialism/Communism would make things more "fair". For starters, how do you define "fair"?

This reminds me of one of my favorite articles, from one of my favorite editorial writers, Thomas Sowell.

"How you look at the free market depends on how you look at human beings. If everyone were sweetness and light, socialism would be the way to go. Within the traditional family, for example, resources are often lavished on children, who don't earn a dime of their own. It is domestic socialism, and even the most hard-bitten capitalists practice it. Maybe some day we will discover creatures in some other galaxy who can operate a whole society that way. But the history of human beings shows that a nation with millions of people cannot operate like one big family..."

The whole article can be read at capmag.com...



posted on Jul, 7 2004 @ 05:19 AM
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I can find no type of government made by man that I trust enough to make the one and only goverment. I mean look at them for example your communists draw backs are to little control over you free will and demacracy yes more free will but the free will in goverment has ended in 4-5 administrations in some way or another doing back door under the table stuff and we still have no true control over ourselves IE the news said the an embargo by the USA on Cuba has placed restrictions on people who wish to go home to Cuba to visit their family there and this demacracy based discision says this

1) Cuban Americans can only go home to visit immediate family IE mom,dad,brother,sister not cousins and other extended family
I dont know about you but I have cousins who I have a better relationship with than some of my "immediate family"


2) Cuban Americans can only go home once every 3 yes 3 years and this is up from the restriction saying they could only do so once a year
so what happens if you have a sick family member you have to tell them you cant died for 3 years cause I cant come home to go to your funeral or see you one more time before you die

3) Cudan Americans will have to carry a special license issued by this democracy of ours in order to go home to Cuba where is the freedom now MR Bush where is the constitution now Mr Bush the goverment dont agree with a country so you tell the people who left a dictatorship for a free country you are free but you cant go home thats NOT freedom

4) ooooohhhhhh this is a good one a country that is supposed to be free even telling people that they will not spend more than 50 dollars a day during their stay in their own homeland how are you supposed to eat get shelter use transportation etc on only 50 dollars thats like saying you have 10 dollars now provide for your family of four and of course you cant so then the Department of Human Services says guess what Im going to take your kids cause they dont have enough food clothes or shelter I mean your dammed if you do dammed if you dont I really am sorry to all the Cuban American people for what they are doing to you.


5) If for some reason you are temorarily relocated to the USA because your there working for your boss on say a six month assignment and you want to send your money home to your wife to pay rent and feed your kids
you cant even send but just a little bit of your money home the rest stays here buddy and they dont give you any choice


so everybody sing "LET FREEDOM RING........"





posted on Jul, 7 2004 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by ThunderCloud


I agree with your comment that overregulation is a very bad thing, but I disagree that Socialism/Communism would make things more "fair". For starters, how do you define "fair"?




I think I pretty much summed that up when I showed the huge gap in livability standards between people such as Bill Gates and the at the very bottom (the homeless).



posted on Jul, 7 2004 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by Attero Auctorita
#1 like the rest of the animals in nature. Has our species not learnt from our own history that government is impossible in the long term - and always ends where it started - anarchy.

-Attero



Me too, it's like going around and around the same old tired circle...
History has alot to do with people ideas, it seems people's ideas always go back to square one, I think because power and control seem to linger at the beginning, control is part of being human.
Any animal kingdom has their leader of the pack.
However, the leader is the wise one. Isn't a dictator, makes the rules for the others in the pack and everything turns out fine.

However in a human pack it's alot messier then that and alot more barbaric.

If it was total anarchy, eventually there would come a time when people would get sick of the bull# and get together to elect a leader for stability.


We need government for security of the homeland, and law officals to protect our personal security. When it comes to money however I feel the government shouldn't have anything to do with that, a currency made by the people for the people is what I believe in. No longer does the power preside within the people, it's slowly been taken away bit by bit.

I could go on, but I don't want to start a rant..

I'd say a mix between anarchy and a people's republic.



posted on Jul, 7 2004 @ 02:45 PM
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Capitalistic Republic. The best over time, and ery much proven through history. It's the one and only best here on planet earth.



posted on Jul, 7 2004 @ 02:50 PM
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Get out of here with your Cuban propaganda.

I'm from Miami and Cubans here have more political rights than the average American does.

Cubans hold all seats of office in Miami, what are you complaining about?

At least Cubans can come to the United States and be greeted with the red, white, and blue.

When Haitians try to come to the United States for the same freedom Cubans seek, they are hosed down in the Atlantic Ocean and most of them drown and die.

Fidel Castro is the best thing that ever happened to Cuba. He liberated Cubans from the evil Bautista and yet Cubans have the nerve to complain. Unbelievable.



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