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posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 05:20 PM
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Wiki leaks truths
or Fox news lies
www.alternet.org...






posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 05:25 PM
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i thought everyone already knew Fox lies...



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 05:26 PM
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Decide*



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 05:29 PM
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I think most americans will decided you failed english.



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 05:32 PM
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reply to post by Azaezal
 



as in, do i go along with the wikileaks is they are releasing info that we need to know about!
or do i say
i am being lied to by my media who are being controlled by multinationals and the government.
Personally i believe the majority of Americans don't care as long as there's a MacDonalds at the bottom of the drive




posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by Spinster
I think most americans will decided you failed english.



Your right!

I blame my typing skills and my proof reading



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 05:50 PM
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Just so you know.. Alternet is funded by White House cronies.

I'm not jumping in to defend Fox news practices. But when I see
the Wallace foundation(Obama's socialist pastor) funding crap like this
it makes me assume that one is simply trading up one source of propaganda for another.

On a couple of notes from the article

1.

The economy is not getting better. If I am misinformed about this I'd like someone to look through my economic threads and point out to me where I have gone wrong.

2

The health care reform bill WILL cause deficit increases, and to boot, it is unconstitutional. This has been shown by independent sources, and multiple legal challenges most still pending.

3

I believe those who peddle climate change as a means to get money out of my pocket are scam artists.

4

Income taxes have not gone up. But taxes on everything else has. I guess it all depends on how you define theft.

5

The stimulus legislation included tax cuts, though they were extremely targeted and very few American overall have benefited at all from them.

6

He may not have initiated the bailout of GM but he sure as hell didn't stop it...I suppose that because he didn't start it that it is ok he continued to sink tax payer money to pay off his UAW contributors.

7

I don't think anyone believes that Republicans opposed TARP. Just like the patriot act many of the politicians from both sides were threatened and fear-mongered into robbing the American people.

8

The birth certificate issue is BS, nuff said.
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posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 05:54 PM
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I'm gonna wait to see what dimensional detective says before I comment on this.



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 06:01 PM
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Yeah like any of the other MSM news outlets are any better then Fox...
I love the poll they cite sponsored by NBC and WSJ...



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 06:05 PM
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reply to post by hawkiye
 


Here's the list of White House cronies funding Alternet.org


Alki Fund of the Tides Foundation



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 09:55 PM
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reply to post by clanger
 


Also in the news from Alternet.org:

Media Bias Killed ACORN
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DREAMers and LGBT Community Both Saw Defeats in the Last Week -- Will They Finally See that They're Fighting the Same Struggle?
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Are Conservatives Trying to End Insurance Coverage for Abortion?
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Just a small smattering on the same website from your O.P.

Rubbish, Alternet.org is no better than Fox News
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posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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1. The economy is not getting better. If I am misinformed about this I'd like someone to look through my economic threads and point out to me where I have gone wrong.


Wall Street is certainly doing a lot better, as is the top 2% of earners in the country. Wealth is still being generated, not on a wide a scale as five years ago, but it's still being generated and surpassing in some sectors.


2 The health care reform bill WILL cause deficit increases, and to boot, it is unconstitutional. This has been shown by independent sources, and multiple legal challenges most still pending.


It will not increase the deficit and it is not unconstitutional.


3 I believe those who peddle climate change as a means to get money out of my pocket are scam artists.


So, is that a yes to the existence to climate change or no? I'm not asking for money, I'm asking if you believe it exists as a result of human activity and should we do something about it or not?


4 Income taxes have not gone up. But taxes on everything else has. I guess it all depends on how you define theft.


Which completely ignores the question, "Have income taxes gone up?", "No, but..."
I'm sorry if your state taxes went up, we should blame Obama anyway.


5 The stimulus legislation included tax cuts, though they were extremely targeted and very few American overall have benefited at all from them.


Extremely targeted at 90% of Americans, very few indeed.


6 He may not have initiated the bailout of GM but he sure as hell didn't stop it...I suppose that because he didn't start it that it is ok he continued to sink tax payer money to pay off his UAW contributors.


Why should he stop it? Folks complain time and time again about the government doing nothing about saving jobs and business', when the government does do something it's suddenly 'government intrusion' and 'fascism'.


7 I don't think anyone believes that Republicans opposed TARP.


Apparently 38% of people do.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 06:07 AM
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And you get your info where?

Alternet? A proven left wing propaganda site?

1- Wall St. isn't the economy. Using Wall St. as a metric of economic growth and sustainability is a fallacy as they are being propped up by the government. Show me a sector that isn't experiencing margin compression outside of government propped industry. And if you haven't noticed we're inching back to ten percent unemployment with a U-6 figure of 17%.

2- What is your source? The white house? MSNBC? CNN? Oh I know, it's the CBO..Cause their numbers all turn out to perfectly reflect reality. The HC bill introduces price controls into the HC industry. Price controls create scarcity and fuel inflation. If there is only a trillion allocated to pay for the HC law over the next ten years, and tax receipts go down because of subdued economic activity(to which all evidence points) how much do you think the government will then have to pick up? Secondly, do you know from what part in the Constitution is mandating the buying of a private product authorized? No? Well then, back to the Obama drawing board.

3- Asinine question. Of course climate changes. And WE DO NOT know enough to know HOW it will change. We've barely begun to study Earth's climate.

4- The "but" in this case is very relevant. If your income taxes don't go up but that expense is offset by taxes elsewhere, and in fact increased through some economic activity or another, then a tax cut becomes a moot point doesn't it?


5- More propaganda. Those tax cuts are in the form of tax credits and while they are targeted at "90%" they are predicated on many requirements, if you don't meet these requirements you don't get the tax credit. I'm one of the people who doesn't meet the requirements. And no, I'm not rich, I'm not even well off, I'm living paycheck to paycheck like everyone else.

6- He should have stopped it because we now have an uncompetitive company being propped up by tax payer dollars when it should have failed. If the government had stopped paying people to not produce and paying people to not work the economy would have rebounded by now.

‎"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt

Sure you could argue it was needed to save jobs...But that's not what happened. Jobs were lost anyway, and while GM was being bailed out by the Feds they were opening new plants in Brazil and China. Who's economy got stimulated through that?

7- 38% in a proven biased poll conducted by people with an agenda...Hardly scientific or convincing.
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