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posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 03:09 PM
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I am a fairly avid sports fan .. Mets, Suns and mostly... the STEELERS... recently I was posting in a forum about the possibility of the New England Patriots cheating their way to the record and streak they are on now ... (15 home game wins in a ROW... and they are BLOWING OUT every team they play ((excluding a loss to the Browns a few weeks back ...not an AFC threat ..ok to blow that one)) )

If you aren't familiar with the term SPYGATE ..a quick synopsis is this: The Patriots were BUSTED video taping other teams' defensive signals (offensive most likely also) ..and had been doing so for some years... years that have coincided with their domination that started right around the FIRST GULF WAR (more on this in a sec). Many teams, including my favorite Steelers, reported that during some losses to the Patriots, that the team from New England seemed to somehow KNOW what play was going to be called ..right before the ball was snapped... even reporting that they would actually say the name of the play (that they are NOT supposed to know) to other teammates ..right at the line of scrimmage.

Up until their first Super Bowl ..they had been perrenial also-rans that barely broke .500 year after year ..(I enjoyed watching Plunkett wayyyy back)

Steve Young, an NFL analyst, recently commented that he was aware of a tactic that Bill Bellicheck, the Patriots coach, had suggested to his team in the past, being this: (paraphrasing) "The refs aren't going to call holding on every play, especially a playoff game, so go ahead and hold (cheat) on EVERY play ..and try to jam up their recievers for the whole game." (I recall this happening to the Steelers in a past playoff game vs. the Patriots)

In my opinion, Steve Young was trying to tell us that Bill Bellicheck and the Patriots had been cheating alot... for a long time. He is probably close to this kind of information and, perhaps to counter the many reports and league wide gushing about Bill Bellicheck being the "all time greatest coach in NFL history" and how he is such a "genious" ... he veiled a direct statement like "this guy is a stone cold cheater" with an aside about the holding.

Now ... the character of someone who would tell his team to "hold on every play" ..and would video-tape other teams signals as to know plays called in advance (I'm NOT saying the Patriots were the only ones..) begs me to ask ... would he not use OTHER surveilliance techniques if they were available to him?

Obviously, this is someone who can SOMEHOW relish a win that comes by way of ill gotten gains. How? I don't know. It's not something I could/would ever be able to do ... but from what I have posted so far ..it would seem this is a "win at all costs" personality that will do ANYTHING, in or outside the rules, in order to win.

If you are familiar with Mr. Bellicheck you know that he is not an outgoing, upbeat person. He has a sense of humor, but, one could ask by his demeanor, is he happy even when he wins? continued
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posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 03:10 PM
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The Patriots! Wow.. what a name for a Super Bowl winner, right at the beginning of the first Gulf War ..(and after 911 for that matter!) .. I'm sure that they picked up a few fans simply from the name alone, during the highly charged national atmosphere while "our boys kicked some muslim arse!!" Yes I am pointing to a psiop. Yes I am pointing to Professional sports tampering. Yes I am pointing to a certain type of TV Fakery.

Of course, we have documented cases of officials being bought to effect the outcome of games in the past, most assumed for gambling profits. I am putting forward that there could possibly be a psychological agenda by having certain teams "win it all" . Just as our History seems to be planned, I'm inclined to guess and assume that many outcomes in Sports are also.

For brevity ..I will cut to the chase as quickly as possible. Many teams have reported that, while playing in New England, their communications devices, (headsets) either did not work .. or had intermittent problems at CRUCIAL times during games. I have described Mr Bellichecks demeanor and actions. (I must ask if anyone is familiar.. does it seem sometimes that Bellicheck acts like" yes we are winning.. but I don't like it that much?") As if perhaps he's been notified: "Here is the info on the teams .. here is a way to listen in.. and we have the refs available to make calls for you .. you WILL win this year.. this is the way we want it"

Motives ranging from "feel good underdog" (New Orleans Saints rising from Katrina and the oil spill) to placating the most rabid, passionate and widespread fanbase (Steelers) to which owner BOUGHT that years championship (Giants) to ... The PATRIOTS .. ta daaa the national darlings who make you feel good about being American ..and the Patriot Act ..and the war .. (how many times is the word Patriot used during any FOX news segment?) continued



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 03:11 PM
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This is alot of conjecture, I admit. I am of the opinion that Bellicheck is one of very few coaches, if not the only one, "in the know" here. (Again my conjecture; with only the cheating I have described backing me) however.. something prompted this post HERE and that is ..

during a normal discussion .. on a general forum ..basically buried ... the discussion was PULLED ... all of my and other's posts were erased ... (no it was nowhere NEAR timing out) .. as if we were getting onto something that somebody didn't like too much .. without explanation or warning.

The NFL is a huge cultural phenomena in the American psyche... there are probably a myriad of subliminal messages in the advertising ... to go along with whats right in our faces...

I submit that the NFL is Fakery .. and I am sad about it.



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 03:19 PM
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What is your opinion about the plight of the two Pennsylvania teams starting QBs, regarding the fact that there has been some very hard, late, or to the head hits on them with no penalties called? There is a rumor spreading that anyone can beat up on Michael Vick or Ben Rothlesberger without any worries about the officials.



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 03:21 PM
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Honestly, I believe all sports (especially the NFL) to be completely rigged. They are political tools and massive arena charades.

I see it as no coincidence that the New England Patriots got a good "upstart" of unbelievable winning streaks (and haven't stopped), in a time of war. Completely elementary psychological mind-games.

Also, not to be a condescending snob or anything, but I haven't been able to talk on-the-level with anyone that watches football on a regular basis. They're just "not there", completely detached and out of it. Absolutely no opinions on anything.

I used to watch football, and baseball. Then along came my awakening with many things, including poisons in our foods. Fixed that, among other things, and since then you would have to hold me down to watch sports games.

This isn't outlandish at all, frankly. To suggest that sports are rigged for political or financial purposes. The United States sports leagues have a long, sordid history of doing just that. If the corporate & govt. corruption of this millennium are any indication, then I would say it's not much of a stretch to allege such a thing.
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posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 03:25 PM
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Interesting post...
I live in New England and get to watch every Patriot game. (not a good thing since I am a Jets fan!) I know that the Pats have replaced the Cowboys as 'America's Team', but with the Super Bowl being held in Dallas this year, wouldn't it have been a better 'fix' if the new America's team ended up playing the former America's team? Why is it that the 'boys had a horrendous first half?
Are the players in on this as well? They would have to be...see Brett Favre's interception in last year's NFC championship game that put the Saints in the Super Bowl....



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 03:26 PM
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Ok so I have always believed in that theory that NFL is controlled part of the Elite..Since commercialism sprung you know the people in power have always seen the potential to dip there hands in that cookie jar but now I believe it has gone way to far and unless there is a change we are gonna have a huge problem.

I also wanna ask if anyone has played NFL 2011 yet and won the superbowl and seen what the outcome is after the on field victory? OBAMA...found that was a little weird.



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 03:26 PM
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I am at a loss on why you need the opposing teams' secret codes. All you have to do is get a training coach to stand by the sidelines and trip the players as they run by.



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 03:53 PM
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Hmm yes ... I am thinking (..and this also covers the question about Favre's interception late game playoffs last year ..) that they are dealing with variables that could "foil" them, being: the outstanding play of others ..(I am sure officiating could have put down the Pack's uprising if needed last year ..and ... high drama helps with ratings ..as long as they have it under control...)

so ..an injury to the two most talented and UNPREDICTABLE QBs in the league this year would just pave the way even more for Brady and the chosen ones...

Imagine if Roethlisberger had Brady's O line AND the defensive plays of the other team ?



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
What is your opinion about the plight of the two Pennsylvania teams starting QBs, regarding the fact that there has been some very hard, late, or to the head hits on them with no penalties called? There is a rumor spreading that anyone can beat up on Michael Vick or Ben Rothlesberger without any worries about the officials.


I'll give my opinion. If Vick is going to run like a running back, then he should be hit like one. Rothlesberger brought it on himself with his off-field antics (i.e., the refs don't care if he gets hit like a tackling dummy...same could be said for Vick too).

On topic, OP, cheating happens, and I wouldn't say that the Patriots are immune to doing it; however, they have one helluva organization, so it stands to reason that they have one helluva team. Give a QB of Brady's caliber enough time in the pocket and he will find an open receiver....and his O-line has given him ample protection all season.



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 04:09 PM
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Yes they have the best organization money can buy ... AND (my conjecture again) the assistance of TPTB... in order to thrust the term PATRIOT out there in relation to winning ..especially at times of war and national psychological "need" .... or future events??

Brady has something like 29 TD passes vs. 4 interceptions this year ... that is so phenomenal ..that it's almost unreal (consider they got rid of Moss also, I digress) ... and ... to go deeper into the rabbit hole ... have a look at an article that I posted on another topic here .. involving Tiger Woods ...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

describing the possibility that ole Tiger is the product of a super athelete/soldier program expirement...

Tom Brady was a 6th round draft pick? .. that has turned into THE BEST QB ever? hmmm ...conjecture .. lol .. however ... this would be the ultimate in cheating eh??



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 06:08 PM
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I am with you on abandoning the spectacle altogether ..
except ...

... every Steeler game that Ben Roethlisberger plays in ... he makes a play the likes I've never seen before ... or at least one that has me smiling saying "damn he's good" .. and what I'm finding is ...much like skiing for me (or golf from what they say ..I don't play) ..I'm not really worried tooo much about the score .. as long as I get that one flawless beautiful run .... (or play by Ben... or whoever)...

I DO find it a bit odd that ... a thread like this one ..and the other I posted about Tiger Woods and MK Ultra.... got SO few responses ..I mean ...how could one pass up Tiger and Mind Control?? .. It leans me toward a larger conspiracy of .. when you get close to truths they don't want known ..and you post it on something like ATS ..not many are going to actually see it (becuase its ALL controlled) ... you would expect at least some offended Patriot or Tiger fans to chime in beyond what has occurred.. considering how passionate some sports fans can be ..... hmmmmmm



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 06:12 PM
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Wow ..does OBAMA come up on the scoreboard? or does a lady pyramid hold him up in a gold suit? ... Its all owned ..from the vid games to the shills .... its all owned...



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 08:25 PM
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Go steelers!!!

Do you think pretty boy tom brady could do what big ben does...with no line...a broken foot and a broken nose....no way!!!

Cheating bastages

When we see them this year in the playoffs......we better mash them up good

any decent quarterback could thrive in the patriots system (cheating)

GOING FOR 7 RINGS!!!!!

be good



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 09:44 PM
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I agree with you and actually wrote my brother an email about 6 years ago that has a lot of the same points about the Pats. It's on an old computer I don't use anymore or I'd copy it here but it's very similar.

Brady has/had definite interest in politics www.freerepublic.com...
Seeing him sitting right up front at a state of the union address was eye opening to say the least.

What really got me wondering how they were cheating is that during their reign of terror, you could sometimes easily see it in the opposing teams body language. The game would be going along in a normal manner and then the Pats would score a few easy touchdowns and be in the perfect defense every play -nobody is that smart. The opposing team would start looking at each other in a questioning manner and then play like 'ok, I guess we just go through the motions'. Maybe the Pats have the MIT boys helping them out?
Their play sure changed when they got caught the first time.

So anyway since then I try to guess who the next hot teams will be based off of politics just for the fun of it. My conspiratorial fantasy pick for next years' turn around team is the Lions.
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posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 06:41 AM
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If Vick is going to run like a running back, then he should be hit like one.
Agreed. That's the way the rules should work. But when he is in the pocket, he should expect the rules be applied evenly there also.




Rothlesberger brought it on himself with his off-field antics (i.e., the refs don't care if he gets hit like a tackling dummy...same could be said for Vick too).

This is where I think that you hit the nail right on the head. It is also where I think the fans are cheated(on topic), when the rules are not applied with an even hand.

Star on your post.

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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 08:11 PM
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I think Detroit is a good bet on the next "chosen team" ... I recall reading more than once it is chosen for a possible false flag attack also ...

The more information I acquire .. the more I realize that everything .. everything .. that comes out of the TV is agenda driven fakery ...

The ONLY thing that they can't compromise ..I would think ..are true artists ...



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 09:34 PM
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Yeah I figured it was a good pick as the area is in such bad shape economically, plus they have some decent players these days. Should be fairly easy gains to be had there in 'fixing the economy' and that has to be the major issue of the next presidential election. I can just hear the announcers "This team has worked hard to improve much like like the hard working families of Michigan". Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part but I hope it goes something like that.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 12:11 AM
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I bet you are right on the money ...

next year ... if there is a league ..lol .(.the way things are going ... you never know .)..I think you have called it ..down to the announcer's comments... a la New Orleans ...

at least you and I will remember this ... and chuckle when it comes true ...

It saddens me that even this they won't let us have ... Matrix ..or Prison Planet .. indeed...

did you see this? abovetopsecret.com... be sure to read the link .. and notice how FEW responses .. one would think that Tiger Woods and mind control would pique interest of quite a few ....



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 10:22 AM
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This just popped up .... here's a shot of Bellicheat "blocking" an opposing player ..

it's almost as if he HAS to win ... "Look Bill ...we've given you everything ... the other teams plays ... the audio feed of their coaches ... the best DNA altered QB we could manufacture ...
.. we expect you to win buddy ..."

so that he'll cheat in every which way ...

stillernation.com...





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