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North Korea preparing for new nuclear test: report

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posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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Ummmm North Korea has no resources, that's why the little man in charge throws his temper tantrums.




posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 02:47 PM
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This is just Kim flexing his muscles to the underlings who have doubts about his son. When the old man croaks the military is probably going do a coup and oust the kid. Plus, this latest declaration of another test could be another leveraging maneuver if talks happen? The country needs aid and resources, and they have found out that the best way to shakedown SK, US, and Japan is too spook them with a missile launch, nuke test, threats of leveling Seoul, ect. They think another nuke test is going to bring in the gravy train with biscuit wheels as had been the case in the past.

However, I think they may be in for a rude awakening, because everyone is growing tired of the North Korean theatrics. Even China is showing a subtle cold shoulder at its troublesome buffer state. If North Korea is not careful with all of their nuclear bomb rhetoric, Japan and SK could very well one day develop and deploy a nuclear contingency of their own. Everyone thinks China is a raising a stink now, but if Japan and SK go nuclear they will be howling at the moon. Still, I think this is just another muscle flexing exercise by the North Koreans.



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by Jeremiah Johnson
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Ummmm North Korea has no resources, that's why the little man in charge throws his temper tantrums.


Au contraire, they have a population, which can potentially be a cheap manufacturing base for multinational corporations. They are also a threat of a successful, nationalist state, which is a threat to US democracy (which is really just globalism by force).



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 02:56 PM
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Um.. they wouldn't have to invade to acquire that. If NK didn't act the way they do (which as I said is a "the mouse that roared" thing) and had friendly relations we would probably be outsourcing jobs to them to just like we do with China and SK.

They wouldn't be invaded, if anyone was trying there have been ample opportunities.
The mouse that roared is about a country declaring war on a much bigger country they have no chance against so after it's all over they can get aid from that country as generally the winning country helps with the rebuild.
That is the reason NK does this. Not for protection against invaders, no one was going to invade (that's why they have China). They develop them so they can ask for aid from us and SK in exchange for slowing down or quitting their nuclear enrichment.

I promise you this is what it is.



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by prexparte
North Korea gets away with it because China is their allies. We obviously fear China or we would stop North Korea...any better answers????




It has nothing to do with FEAR. The war never ended remember? Why start a new conflict between China's 1.6 Billion The US's 310 Million, South Korea's 48 Million and North Korea's 23 Million when the only ones who are seemingly inching for a fight is Little Kimmy and his band of merry-men.



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
They are also a threat of a successful, nationalist state, which is a threat to US democracy (which is really just globalism by force).



North Korea "successful" They get all the hand outs they can handle from China and still they are in the pits. I know you support anything Anti US. [We all know about your Agenda] but even you can't be naive enough to believe that North Korea is successful?



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 03:42 PM
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Hey Dimitri

Quit taking the drugs and wake up to what's really happening!

Little Kim is a madman, his actions have proven this.

Look at how he treats his own people, he will go to hell forever!



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 05:03 PM
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They did not torpedo the South Korean ship. The West claimed this without any real proof.


Heres some proof: Undisputable proof of North Korean torpedo sinking South Korean ship



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by chuckMFd
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They did not torpedo the South Korean ship. The West claimed this without any real proof.


Heres some proof: Undisputable proof of North Korean torpedo sinking South Korean ship



Ouch.



I didn't believe it was US that struck the boat to start a war lol... I think we all know if they wanted to start the war, we'd be at war.



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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Um.. they wouldn't have to invade to acquire that. If NK didn't act the way they do (which as I said is a "the mouse that roared" thing) and had friendly relations we would probably be outsourcing jobs to them to just like we do with China and SK.

They wouldn't be invaded, if anyone was trying there have been ample opportunities.


...

You do realize that globalism is BAD for the world, right? Globalism is what is destroying national economies, because multinational companies and their CEOs are collecting and holding on to most of the world's money. They take jobs and production from one country to another that can offer cheaper production rates (because the legal obligation of a CEO is to push for profit).


Slayer69-
North Korea "successful" They get all the hand outs they can handle from China and still they are in the pits. I know you support anything Anti US. [We all know about your Agenda] but even you can't be naive enough to believe that North Korea is successful?


I clearly posted the words "successful, nationalist state". Do you know what nationalism is? It's where a country nationalizes its resources, industry and culture. This protects the country from external invasion, especially economically and culturally. This is the real threat to globalism, which the US empire uses.

Here is how the US works. The US has two offensive forces: military and corporations. The corporations lobby the US government to either wage war or provide "security" in countries affected by disaster. The US military destabilizes the country's ability to control its own industries and resources, and US corporations move in and take over the country's assets. Then the US military and private military corporations provide ongoing security to protect newly acquired assets to the American empire.

This is exactly what has happened in Afghanistan and Iraq by force; it is also the three steps to the shock and awe strategy. It is also happening in places like Sri Lanka and Haiti, affected by natural disasters and the US moves in, providing "security" by sending in troops and PMCs, while providing "assistance" by forcing the people to use American products like Monsanto GM seeds (They did this in Haiti, and Haiti burned them because they know that if they even have one harvest with these seeds, they will dominate the land and need to be bought again, every season from Monsanto due to executor genes).

North Korea is just another target. The US has portrayed them as unpopular and wrong, but if North Korea is so backwards then why the hell hasn't the North Korean people rebelled yet? Most of their country is a military force, heavily armed and trained. They are more than perfectly suited for a revolutionary force against Kim Jong-Il "weak" and "tyrannical" government, as the West claims.

Maybe the North Koreans are actually on to something. Maybe they don't fluoridate the water there, or brainwash citizens from birth with barbie dolls and cartoons. Maybe they seek to protect their isolated country, because they have not been corrupted by the forces of globalization, which only seeks to profit by exploiting people.


minkey53-
Hey Dimitri

Quit taking the drugs and wake up to what's really happening!

Little Kim is a madman, his actions have proven this.

Look at how he treats his own people, he will go to hell forever!


First of all, I don't do drugs anymore, and when I did I certainly had a much more fluid and focused understanding of the situation than you could ever comprehend.

Second of all, you don't know how he treats his people, or the general situation in North Korea. All you know is what is reported to you, filtered through the Western media, American government, and other brainwashed people.

Third there is no such thing as hell. Life on Earth is hell, and you must be on drugs to not see that.


chuckMFd-
Heres some proof: Undisputable proof of North Korean torpedo sinking South Korean ship


I don't care. BBC is mainstream media, controlled by the forces that portray North Korea as wrong and is utterly biased. And look at the picture yourself in that article. You're trying to tell me that this rusted-out, charred remains of a "North Korean" torpedo is identified as what hit the South Korean ship because of the clear chalk marking in Korean on it?

It looks like when the Pentagon mysteriously found an unburned and untouched passport of one of the "terrorists" on 9/11 in the debris of the twin towers, or years ago when Georgia claimed Russia was dropping bombs on its cities (way before the conflict) and had a picture clearly showing "Georgians" surrounding the "unexploded bomb", surrounded by yellow tape that clearly says in English "POLICE LINE - DO NOT CROSS".

Don't trust what you see in the mainstream media. It is all agenda driven.


canadiandream-
I didn't believe it was US that struck the boat to start a war lol...


Some people have claimed that, but I don't have proof for it. All I know is that a South Korean ship suffered from an explosion.

Look at the Kursk, flagship of the Russian navy. It sank like ten years ago from a mysterious explosion. The Russians claimed the Americans attacked it, but the dominating American media was quick with a campaign explaining how "poor maintenance" lead to a torpedo "self-destructing" inside the hull.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 01:06 AM
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Yes I am aware. Still doesn't change the facts. The govt doesn't make decisions in the interest of the people, so it's doubtful they would have a problem using labor from NK if the country was more together. Definitely no interest in war.
Actually a lot of companies are probably glad NK is around and would prefer the govt. not attack. It was shown last month that a company had gotten pc games from NK programmers. NK is a bunch of kids playing world leader at the cost of their starving population.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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Yes I am aware. Still doesn't change the facts. The govt doesn't make decisions in the interest of the people, so it's doubtful they would have a problem using labor from NK if the country was more together. Definitely no interest in war.
Actually a lot of companies are probably glad NK is around and would prefer the govt. not attack. It was shown last month that a company had gotten pc games from NK programmers. NK is a bunch of kids playing world leader at the cost of their starving population.




Starving population? All countries have a starving population. Just because they don't have such a dominant grasp on global opinion doesn't mean the most developed nations aren't suffering from extreme poverty that isn't reported on.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 01:21 AM
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If Kim has announced that he found a cave with full of golds, then US will bomb NK out of it's existence and ream all treasures. However, Kim can lie about it and US can be sucker when they found no gold in cave.


As I see during Iraq war in 2003. Kim was open public and declare everyone that his country have nuke capability. US has done nothing, but continue focus on Iraq. Now, US are eying on Iran. Current, Iran still denied that they use nuclear facility for weapon. NK is another story as they didn't deny anything. Therefore, the resources has to be the reason for war as other commenter and OP has stated. Suppose US has start war against NK and capture Kim then bring him to justice. What does US get in return? Several piles of rice.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 01:31 AM
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You mean piles of Corn.

China stopped it's shipment of rice.


Beijing snubs Pyongyang's requests for rice, offers corn instead

Beijing, North Korea's indispensible ally, has apparently snubbed requests from Pyongyang for a large delivery of rice aid, according to South Korean government sources.

Sources said that Pyongyang has repeatedly requested 500,000 tons of rice, presumably to be doled out to the masses to celebrate enigmatic leader Kim Jong Il's birthday in February, and that of his third son and heir apparent, Kim Jong Un, in January.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 01:54 AM
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You are avoiding the main points, that tactic is presumably used because you know I'm correct but still want to argue. The last post you only responded to the starving pop. comment (which if you read anything you would know the number of people hungry there is out of proportion, and thousands have died in famine).

And then in the post before my last you ignored my explanation to make a completely off point comment about globalism/out sourcing for cheap labor.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 05:10 AM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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You are avoiding the main points, that tactic is presumably used because you know I'm correct but still want to argue. The last post you only responded to the starving pop. comment (which if you read anything you would know the number of people hungry there is out of proportion, and thousands have died in famine).

And then in the post before my last you ignored my explanation to make a completely off point comment about globalism/out sourcing for cheap labor.


I'm not ignoring anything. I don't usually dismiss things that rivals say, but that doesn't mean that I will comment on every single thing they say either.

And I really hate to break this to you, but poverty is a big deal in developed countries, especially in US cities (I've even noticed it rising sharply in Canada too, but not in the media of course). Food is only one part of the spectrum; you can feed prisoners yet do they have freedom? You can make sure slums have grocery stores, but is that going to stop gang violence and drug use and unemployment?

North Korea obviously does not have as much food as it needs to sustain its people, but look at the reality. For one, this is because the West, specifically the US, is forcing this via sanctions and political meddling of North Korea's partner states in order to break North Korea. They believe they can instill a revolution or coup in North Korea by starving the population from the outside and blasting propaganda accusing the NK government of being responsible.

The other important thing here to realize is that the NK people are highly disciplined, which is to be expected in a conscription nation. Men and women alike are all military-hardened and know how to survive on desperate measures. They could be living on a bowl of rice a day for all I know, and they still hold strong enough to maintain a country united.

If they had any reason to provoke a war, it would be to fight to acquire the food that they should have, if not for American intervention and UN sanctions. But to blame their food problems on the NK government is just falling for the usual Western propaganda. In communist/socialist societies, it is expected that individuals will not have fridges filled with food like Western people tend to believe. They have things called rations, which need to be shared.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 06:58 AM
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Everyone needs to understand that China gives NK orders to pull these stunts. They are trying to distract us while China prepares to invade Taiwan. Soon Iran and NK will be pulling so many stunts that they will have us off guard and China will attack at the same time Iran and Russia make their move on Israel.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by Sky watcher
Everyone needs to understand that China gives NK orders to pull these stunts. They are trying to distract us while China prepares to invade Taiwan. Soon Iran and NK will be pulling so many stunts that they will have us off guard and China will attack at the same time Iran and Russia make their move on Israel.


I was with you until you said "Russia makes their move on Israel"...
I know the rhetoric around here but Russia plays both sides to an extent, it's why they are helping Iran with Nuclear Plants or did... They won't go to war for Iran.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 11:29 AM
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Here are a couple of interesting developments.

South Korea moves to boost ties with China in wake of North Korea attacks

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade has announced that it is increasing its annual China-related budget next year to 3 billion won ($2.6 million), a nearly eight-fold increase from this year's 390 million won ($340,000). The government is hoping that the increase will send a clear message to China that after a period of tense relations – which included a series of naval drills that irked Beijing – it is ready to talk.

The new budget will cover task forces that tackle anti-Korean sentiment in China and a new China Center that will bring together academics and politicians to craft stronger diplomatic policies. Additionally, a bilateral strategic dialogue between the two nations will advance from the vice-ministerial to the ministerial level.


US Official Lands in North Korea


Unofficial U.S. envoy Bill Richardson has arrived in Pyongyang for talks in North Korea. But also Thursday, the South Korean military announced it would conduct live fire drills on Yeonpyeong Island. (Dec. 16)


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posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 02:28 PM
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Um.. but both the agricultural and sanction aspects would be resolved if they didn't waste massive amounts of money on weapons development. "Rival," very cute. What is this grade two?

Sheew thank god they are all military disciplined. Other wise NK's state imposed, "two meals a day plan" would have been a real bitch.




By late 1995, the North Korean famine was becoming public knowledge all over the world, and by early 1999 it was being estimated that two to three million people had died prematurely because of the food crisis[18]. Scholars estimate 600,000 died of starvation (other estimates range from 200,000 to 3.5 million).[19] The famine was at its peak in mid 1996 to late 1997, much of the destruction occurred in this year. By 1999, food and development aid reduced famine deaths.


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