reply to post by truthiron
Greetings. Thank you for your well thought out response. I agree with you that God has laws that we must abide by, as the scriptures you pointed to
mention. But a Christian is no longer under the Mosaic Law covenant as it is called.
In the first century when the governing body that presided over the Christian congregation gathered together to determine whether or not the
Christians were really obliged to continue to keep the law given to Moses, they prayed and under direction of the holy spirit came to this
(Acts 15:28-29) . . .For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things, to keep
abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these
things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!”
The fact that the holy spirit lead them to this understanding, and that it was recorded in the holy record of the Bible tells us that God approved of,
and helped them come to this conclusion. The Christian is no longer under the burden of the law. The only things that they were told to keep that
were related to the Mosaic law were the commandments to keep from things sacrificed to idols, to abstain from blood, and from things strangled, and
from fornication. If you notice that all of these commandments were also given prior to the Mosaic Law being in effect. For example when Noah came
off of the ark he was told that he was allowed to eat meat of the animals, but he was not allowed to eat the blood, that that was to be poured out and
returned to the ground, for the soul was in the blood. So we see that their understanding was that these laws were not just regulated to the Law
given to Moses but were deeply seated in God's attitude toward proper worship.
If I may, I would like to refer back to Paul and his letter to the Galatians. He was telling them in no uncertain terms that they had been set free
from enslavement to the Mosaic Law and as a proof of this he gave them a prophetic drama that had to do with two women: Hagar and Sarah. Both bore
children to Abraham. In this prophetic drama Abraham represents God. Hagar his slave girl represented the natural nation of Israel that was
inaugurated to God when given the Law at Mount Sinai. Sarah the free woman gave Abraham a child in freedom, and she represents heavenly Jerusalem,
and she is the mother of the Christian congregation liberated from enslavement to the law:
(Galatians 4:24-26) . . .These things stand as a symbolic drama; for these [women] mean two covenants, the one from Mount Si′nai, which brings forth
children for slavery, and which is Ha′gar. 25 Now this Ha′gar means Si′nai, a mountain in Arabia, and she corresponds with the Jerusalem today,
for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.
The Christian is indeed under the law of Christ, but is no longer under the burden of the law of Moses:
(Galatians 4:31-5:1) . . .Wherefore, brothers, we are children, not of a servant girl, but of the free woman. 5 For such freedom Christ set us
free. Therefore stand fast, and do not let yourselves be confined again in a yoke of slavery.
Jesus Christ set the Christian free from enslavement to the law. The Christian is declared righteous not by works of the law pertaining to the old
covenant, but rather because of the faith that he has put in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus' shed blood:
(Galatians 2:15-16) . . .Knowing as we do that a man is declared righteous, not due to works of law, but only through faith toward Christ Jesus, even
we have put our faith in Christ Jesus, that we may be declared righteous due to faith toward Christ, and not due to works of law, because due to works
of law no flesh will be declared righteous.
The Christian on Galatia were mistaken in thinking that they could work out their own righteousness by works according to the Law given to Moses. To
show them the futility of such thinking Paul reminded them:
(Galatians 3:10-14) . . .For all those who depend upon works of law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is every one that does not
continue in all the things written in the scroll of the Law in order to do them.” 11 Moreover, that by law no one is declared righteous with God is
evident, because “the righteous one will live by reason of faith.” 12 Now the Law does not adhere to faith, but “he that does them shall live by
means of them.” 13 Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: “Accursed is
every man hanged upon a stake.” 14 The purpose was that the blessing of Abraham might come to be by means of Jesus Christ for the nations, that we
might receive the promised spirit through our faith.
Christ, when he died, released the Christian who puts his faith in that death from the curse of the law. And his righteousnesses is not due to works
but rather to faith, and that faith in Jesus sin atoning sacrifice is what gives him a righteous standing before God. For if you think you are still
under the Law given to Moses you must carry out all of its laws or you are still cursed under that law.
That this thinking is not only wrong but evil Paul told those Christians:
(Galatians 3:1-3) . . .O senseless Ga‧la′tians, who is it that brought YOU under evil influence, YOU before whose eyes Jesus Christ was openly
portrayed impaled? 2 This alone I want to learn from YOU: Did YOU receive the spirit due to works of law or due to a hearing by faith? 3 Are YOU so
senseless? After starting in spirit are YOU now being completed in flesh?
Certain ones among the Galatians were trying to impose the requirements of the law on their fellow Christians and were trying to work out their own
righteousness based on the Law covenant. Notice that Paul told them that this thinking was both senseless and evil. The law leads to corruption and
death. Faith in Jesus ransom sacrifice leads to life. For remember he said, if you want to prove yourself righteous by means of the law, you must
keep all of the law, unless you wished to be accursed due to the law.
This is touching on a portion of what Paul said pertaining to the doing away of the law and the senselessness of continuing to follow the Law in
Galatians. As stated in the OP, anyone who has any doubt as to whether we are not under obligation to fulfill the law of Moses should study that
letter carefully. It becomes quite apparent that a Christian is no longer under the Law given to Moses.
True a Christian is still under law, the law of Christ, but not under the Law of Moses:
(Romans 8:1-2) . . .Therefore those in union with Christ Jesus have no condemnation. 2 For the law of that spirit which gives life in union with
Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
As to our understanding that the seven creative days in Genesis are not to be taken literally I have dedicated an entirely different post and you may
find it and our arguments as to why it is logical to conclude that the days were not literal here:
I would be interested to know what JW's believe about Jesus Christ, your acessment of that.
We confess faith in Jesus Christ and believe that is he is the mediator of a new and greater covenant than the one given to Moses on Mount Sinai. He
is the “son of God” the “firstborn of all creation” and the “only-begotten” son of Jehovah God. We believe Jesus when he stated that he
has a God, and that God is greater than he is:
(John 20:17) . . ., ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.’. . .
(John 14:28) . . .The Father is greater than I am.
We believe that Jesus had a prehuman existence at his Father’s side, as the “first-born” of all creation, and that by means of him all other
things, whether in heaven and earth were created through him and for him:
(Colossians 1:15-16) . . .He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were
created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments
or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him.
That by not by any works can a person come to be in an approved or saved condition before God, for no one can work out their own salvation. Salvation
can only be attained by putting faith in the ransom sacrifice given by Jesus Christ:
(John 3:16) “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be
destroyed but have everlasting life.