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Gunman Opens Fire During School Board Meeting

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posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 12:22 AM
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This is the video after the shooting swat team runs in (a lil late)

i'm still looking for a picture of beverly duke mr. clays wife

If anyone can find a picture of her as I still can not I will give you a helluva star...





posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 12:35 AM
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I really like the V for Vendetta movie and now this lunatic is tarnishing the awesomeness of the V symbol.


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If any of you guys ever go nuts like this dumbass, at least throw your life away attacking a real enemy, if your claiming anonymous membership, wouldn't you go after a bank? Their MO here seems to be financial damage to financial institutions who acted against wikileaks, so go after a damn bank, not a school board. The education system is our friend. The banking system is our enemy. GET IT STRAIGHT!


NOBODY working down at their local banking branch deserves to be killed by a crazed gunman.

If you don't like banks don't use ANY of their services (credit cards, loans, secure money storage, foreign exchange, ATMs etc). No one's forcing you too. See how far that will get you. Your quality of life is sure to vastly improve.



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posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 12:57 AM
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This man did not intend to kill anyone. He missed intentionally...

He first shot was carefully aimed slightly to the right of the apparent target. You can
see several papers on the desk to the left of the victim scatter as he fires.

This was (god I hate to use this word) a terrorist act and an attempt at death-by-cop.

This deranged fellow was sending a message. He felt he was being treated unfairly by
our system of increasing returns for the rich and diminishing returns for the poor.
He was saying was "Stop it or else", much like the man who flew into the IRS
building. In his mind he is/was a martyr--a terrorist who could show compassion
but still get his point across.

IMHO, he should have chosen a better target...there are many to choose from. Men
with whom the ~actual~ buck stops. Problem is most of them have already stolen
enough wealth to provide for themselves a formidable "royal" guard.

Also, I can't see any mind control in evidence here, nor any motive. If anything this
shooting exemplifies a stronger argument for abolishing gun-free zones, than
establishing more gun control law.

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posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 02:22 AM
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Originally posted by guyopitz

If any of you guys ever go nuts like this dumbass, at least throw your life away attacking a real enemy,..... go after a damn bank, not a school board. The education system is our friend. The banking system is our enemy. GET IT STRAIGHT!



You disgust me. You are actually advising people who are or might one day be mentally troubled enough to consider suicide, to go and KILL people who work in a bank?

Shouldn't your little monologue above say something like:

"If any of you guys ever go nuts like this dumbass, please tell someone you are feeling suicidal, get some help, tell us on here if you can't tell anyone else......" or something like that?

Are you willing to live the rest of your days with your head held high after the news reports that Jon Doe killed 12 workers at his local bank "on the advice of forum member guyopitz from ATS" ??

Get it straight Guy!!



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 02:29 AM
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This man did not intend to kill anyone. He missed intentionally...

He first shot was carefully aimed slightly to the right of the apparent target. You can
see several papers on the desk to the left of the victim scatter as he fires.


I dono.. I agree that he wants to create a lot of noise and fear, he intentionally shoots at the ground etc, but after he gets shot by the security guard he seems to make a pretty big effort to try to take someone down with him.

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Well put. Couldn't believe it when I saw it.
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posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 03:22 AM
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Originally posted by Azp420

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Well put. Couldn't believe it when I saw it.
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Thank you... sorry I don't usually attack peoples beliefs but that just appalled me



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 03:42 AM
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People like you are the reason there are so many murders in the US, in my country we have pretty much no guns, and very strict gun laws, KNOW WHAT?? We maybe four gun related homicides a year, i believe the US would be over one thousand.

If the populace have guns, at some point they will use them, if they decide to use them on a 'terrorist' or some poor store clerk you cannot control, and i maybe also add that the US, like any country, has a large population of paranoid nutters, basically waiting for some 'meskin' to walk onto their property so they can shoot them, tiny percentage, but the point stands. I'm sure there are also loads of people in my country that would love to exact some patriotic revenge on 'these immigrants' too.

I just think that some Americans should reevaluate the reason they hold onto these laws so much, and should maybe face the fact that the loose gun laws, and that alone, are the reason there are so many gun related homicides. THINK.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 03:56 AM
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Appreciate that you took the time to elaborate. But what you're saying doesnt make sense, you are saying that teachers should also have guns, how about bank employees? Train drivers? Judges even???

When i walk down the street, and i live in a neighborhood riddled with drugs and crime, you know what i think? THANK GOD nobody has guns, the worst that could happen is getting jumped or stabbed, and you can get out of that, pretty hard to dodge automatic gun fire. You may say well "there is no way your neighborhood is as bad as say watts or longbeach or something, and i would say yes absolutely, and the reason is that PEOPLE DONT HAVE GUNS!

It's like saying that because there may be a terror attack in the states, you should all wear suicide vests to work. I just don't understand this, you're thinking is VERY backwards.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 04:42 AM
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Here in America, and as you can see quite well on ATS, there are lots of people that think if everyone had a gun, people would shoot at each other less for fear of being shot back. Those people always forget that the "everyone" they want to be armed includes children, handicapped people, little old ladies, stupid people, crazy people, people who just have sucky aim, people that drink a lot of coffee and have very shaky hands, angry people, etc. There are all kinds of people in the US that feel if every paraplegic, 90 year old ostseperosis riddled senior, every 9 year old kid, and every guy as crazy as the man who opened fire here should all have guns so that they can start shooting back because eventually that will lead to crazy people and stupid people not shooting anymore. I would really like them to start their own country and try it out for a while. My mentally handicapped cousin would LOVE a shiny thing that makes loud noises. I can even gurarantee he will want to excitedly point it at people like he sees on television. Of course, they will just shoot him after he opens fire and that is a perfect world I guess. I would love to see it in action some day, from outside.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 07:00 AM
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Those people always forget that the "everyone" they want to be armed includes children, handicapped people, little old ladies, stupid people, crazy people, people who just have sucky aim, people that drink a lot of coffee and have very shaky hands, angry people, etc.


This isn't true. We believe that everyone that who is so inclined to carry a gun, and has met the proper qualifications and background checks should carry a gun. I would never put a gun in the hand of a frightened and inexperienced or unwilling person. I would never put a gun in the hand of someone with restraining orders and domestic violence charges. I would never put a gun in the hand of someone with too little maturity or age.

"Everyone" is generic. It means everyone willing, able, and qualified.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 08:04 AM
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You are quite obviously for a little thing called "GUN CONTROL." I am going to let you in on a little secret, ATS is full of people that will tell you gun control is wrong and yes, EVERYONE should be armed. It has already been put forth in this thread. I am for gun control as well but you and I are not exactly the norm around here from what I see. In fact, I have seen it called unpatriotic.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 08:16 AM
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I don't advocate violence on banks especially since my g/f is a bank teller doesn't make much and certainly is not a * big banker* but works at a bank which is pretty sick if that people would aim anger just *at a bank* one of the single most ignorant comments I have read in a while...

But please lets stay on topic

I'm still trying to get info/a picture of beverly I bet she's a real charm....
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posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 08:52 AM
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I watched a video where I think a police officer said that he had caps and not real bullets. Not sure if this info is valid.


So he had fake shots and he shot them just so he could get shot by the cops...thats how I understood it.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 08:57 AM
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Just out of curiosity, what country do you live in?

I would like to see how big the thumb of government you live under is.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 09:12 AM
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I'm sorry Sinnthia, I am not for "Gun Control" as most people see it. I believe that common sense restrictions such as background checks are warranted, but I believe MORE people should be armed. I believe the people that have the rights to carry guns, should do so more often. I personally feel it is my responsibility as a man, and a citizen with gun training, that I should have my gun on me at all times. If I fail to carry my gun one day, and somebody around me gets hurt, I will feel it is a personal failure on my part.

I have communicated that responsibility to most of my friends that have concealed weapons permits. If we are going to spend the money on the permit, buy the guns, and practice with the guns, then we should CARRY the guns 100% of the time.

Imagine if I had attended that meeting last night, and I had left my guns at home because I didn't want to be bothered by wearing the undershirt or the jacket to conceal it.

I never leave home without my guns. Even better, only most close friends and family are aware of the fact that I am always armed! One of the most important parts of carrying the gun is to conceal it effectively. It helps as a deterrent, and it helps if I ever need to be in a position to take action.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 09:23 AM
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Again....for those who want all guns banned. I personally believe...and I may be wrong....that most people against gun ownership....have never owned a gun....or used one.....I said most.....not all.

Where I grew up......Most males over the age of 12 to 14.....had guns for hunting.....knew how to use them...and knew they were very dangerous.

When my son was 11 or 12 .........to show him how destructive and dangerous a gun can be......I took a 12 gauge shotgun....and blew a watermelon to bits.

He knew right then a gun is not a toy......and it is to be used only by someone fully capable of using it properly.

I don't think that everyone should have a gun.

Personally.....I think anyone buying a gun should have to take a course in gun safety...and proper usage.

Some type of screening process to keep mentally unstable people.....felons....or anyone under 18 or so....from owning a handgun.

But you know what??? Criminals do not obey the law......That is why they are criminals.

So the only way to have Real Gun Control is have the Government confiscate all guns.

That will never happen in the US of A.

Our country was founded by Freedom Fighters.........For those of you in the UK.....Remember the Revolutionary War???

So all you people that want your Gov to control everything in your lives.......Good Luck

Could that possibly be a reason for all the Social Utopias of Europe ......having riots and burnings in the streets???

Could it be your Governments got just a little too much control of your lives???

We will keep our freedom.......you can have your failed Socialist Utopias.



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 09:32 AM
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Anyone catch the NBC Today show today where they interviewed a man that described the gunman as a "...end of the world, conspiracy theory guy..."

I completely acknowledge that this arena can definitely attract nutballs and I'm not excusing that this gunman was most likely a nutball, but I do think it's interesting that the media can't wait to equate conspiracy theory enthusiasts and gun-toting nuts who shoot up schools...

This also reminded me of the another newspiece I saw on NBC last week that basically contained interviews of people that grew up with and knew the man who leaked all the documents to Assange/Wikileaks and one of his former elementary school teachers actually said, "I remember there were a few times that he didn't really say the Pledge of Allegiance too well..." (paraphrase).

I laughed so hard on that one because the piece just screamed propaganda. OMG my 7 year old was distracted during the recitation of the PoA....she's a TERRORIST!!!!111111.....



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 09:44 AM
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Sorry, but that is how I described the guy to my wife as well.

I love ATS, and I have some wild theories of my own, but I think we can all see the dangers in believing this Conspiracy stuff a little too deeply.

If you combine some of these wild theories with somebody that may be a little too soft in the gray matter, add in some emotional distress or medication, and then put them in front of some very effective audio-visual stimulation like we have now, it is not surprising that you get a gun-toting nut!

If anyone reading this thread does not see any danger in whole-heartedly believing the wild theories on ATS, pleas make an appointment with your doctor to get your meds adjusted before you become like that guy!



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by JudgedCover
Anyone catch the NBC Today show today where they interviewed a man that described the gunman as a "...end of the world, conspiracy theory guy..."

I completely acknowledge that this arena can definitely attract nutballs and I'm not excusing that this gunman was most likely a nutball, but I do think it's interesting that the media can't wait to equate conspiracy theory enthusiasts and gun-toting nuts who shoot up schools...

This also reminded me of the another newspiece I saw on NBC last week that basically contained interviews of people that grew up with and knew the man who leaked all the documents to Assange/Wikileaks and one of his former elementary school teachers actually said, "I remember there were a few times that he didn't really say the Pledge of Allegiance too well..." (paraphrase).

I laughed so hard on that one because the piece just screamed propaganda. OMG my 7 year old was distracted during the recitation of the PoA....she's a TERRORIST!!!!111111.....


Marginalize the truth movement and scream "terrorist,terrorist terrorist" 32 times then say "conspiracy theorists are agianst the troops". That should do it. Next you'll see another piece on how non-brainwashed free thinkers are "dangerous" and "unamerican" or "potential domestic terrorists". Just look and wait. Straight out of the NWO cattle management playbook on page 666 next to scaregoats/agenda pushing shills like wikileaks.

MSM: Captain crunch is agianst the troops!!! don't eat Capt. Crunch its unpatriotic! Crunch berries! Peanut Butter crunch! General Mills is a islamofascist cereal!!!! 0HzN0rz!!!1



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by skitzspiricy

Originally posted by thecinic


Thank God for Americans right to carry guns.

We should learn to use it more often to stop things like this from happening.

www.wftv.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


Ummm, in my opinion.

Having the majority of Americans walking around with a gun on their person in todays fear plagued society, isn't necessarily a good thing.

I can just picture it now.

"Excuse me Sir have you got the time?"

*guy reaches into his pocket to pull out his cell phone*

*BANG!!*

"Ooops"
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Funny "they" say that every time a state authorizes concealed carry. "IT'LL BE THE WILD WILD WEST!!People will shoot each other over traffic accidents.!" Hide your women and children!.

It just doesn't happen...

Currently only two states have not passed some kind of concealed carry legislation. making it easier to carry.

It just hasn't happened...


Don't add to the hysteria.
Responsible gun owners understand the power they wield ( or don't wield) and feel no ego need to have to prove "whos the man!"

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