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Venezuela becomes new Cuba or China

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posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 11:18 PM
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reply to post by Zamini
 


So what if people gave you money to provide a good or service? It's now your money, not theirs, because it was part of the contract.




posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 08:26 AM
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If you don't understand what you are talking about, please, behave like the ignorant fool you are and keep it shut.

Did it cross your mind I was referring to oil contracts? Exporting national wealth to foreign interests because it makes YOUR wallet fat, never mind the poor folks who can't read because they can't afford schooling? F them, lets go live in a big villa and wear fancy jewelry.

I don't mind it that people do that as long as they don't mind getting a verbal slap now and then. Remember, with power comes responsibility. Sadly, power has been given to egocentric nutjobs through said contracts. Why? Because of sheer IGNORANCE.

Try again(actually, don't, just reply with a one liner to get some stars...you know, do your job).



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:28 AM
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I'll reply with a two liner.

Beware you don't preach the gospel of envy.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:41 AM
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It is not envy, I don't hold grudges. So your ''gospel of envy'' makes no sense because you simply do not understand what I am saying. I will say this once: If you do NOT understand what a person is saying it makes little to no sense replying with a weak attempt at whatever it is you are trying to do here.

Besides, commenting on the unfair distribution of wealth is not envy...it is my duty, it is your duty!

Now go wash your face with your twisted morals.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 10:08 AM
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You think I don't understand your point of view, but I do, as I once used to think as you do. It is you who do not understand my point of view yet. It is immoral to coerce people into being equal. It is envy to support taking rich people's money to feed the poor or to caricature all of them as evil simply because they have more or made prudent business contracts. Charity is good, but coercion is evil.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 04:06 AM
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Lets get this clear...you THINK you understand what I am saying but you simply don't. Equality is not what I'm chanting, rather equal oppurtunities. THIS does not mean prudent contracts or whatever. I'm not saying the rich should be forced to give up their wealth I'm just in favor of reminding them of reality. Not all rich people are evil but money corrupts. And it would be a laugh of you to claim you once thought as me, get over yourself.

Go take a class of reading comprehension before you, again, reply with something completely irrelevant to my post.

Thanks.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 05:47 AM
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Ok, so how do you propose giving everyone equal opportunity? Same parents are poor, others are not. Some can afford private education, but others can afford only public education. Some people are born geniuses, others couldn't even think their way out of cardboard boxes. So tell me, how are you going to equalize opportunity without putting a penalty on people with better opportunities? You cannot equalize opportunity without pegging down those with more opportunity.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 05:55 AM
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I would agree with you if reality did not disprove you.

I agree with you that not everybody is equal in terms of intelligence, understanding, etc. etc. But that doesn't mean people don't deserve equal oppertunities!

You're a student right? What would you think if education costs were raised until the point that it became affordable only for those of higher, so called, 'social classes'? You know you have the brains but you don't have the means. How does this benefit anyone other than those already in power with all the wealth?Would you say these things happen at random or is there a thought behind making it more expensive? Keeping the 'lower social classes' in place for example.

Because these things are happening in countries that seem great, like the US, like several European countries!

Don't be fooled!

Until you give the poor the means to prosper there will be absolutely NO progress for humans as a collective.
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 06:04 AM
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Ah Chavez! The man that shoots his cowardly mouth off & actually does nothing about it & just imposes heartache and distress on his own citizens as he sees them as an easy target!.

Word of warning he will get all you Venezuelan citizens killed. All this crap with Iran man ........ Be warned America is not like Chavez or Iran (All mouth that is) that actually do things they believe in & not just shoot their mouth off like Chavez. ...

Stand up to him, revolution revolution revolution he is an "all talk" and will get you all killed! Revolution Revolution Revolution, he can be defeated!. OP the biggest things start with the smallest of actions from you!. One day Venezuela will be free from this terrorist Chavez!



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 06:06 AM
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Well, then that just means universities would have to cut funding to some programs and stop teaching certain courses because they have a budget problem. They would probably have to fire people and cut off degree programs to make it affordable to some students. What about educators? Should they be poor for the students' sake? If prices everywhere go up you can bet education prices are going to go up too because the people working for universities have to adjust to higher prices too. It isn't all one-sided here. Simply protesting the higher prices isn't going to magically take down the price.

If the education market is free, universities, though the prices are higher, still have to compete for the lowest prices. On the other hand if the market is not free, or if private educational institutes are blocked from entry into the market, students just have to deal with higher prices, or force the people not going to college to subsidize them.
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 07:14 AM
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Now you are making excuses.

I will ask the same question again:

What if the people in power decide to raise tuition fees so that only their own kin will be able to become educated? If it weren't for the internet said people in power would have been hung a long time ago, ironically, thanks to the internet the same will happen in due time.

Besides that, am I correct in my understanding that Hugo Chavez decided to educates the people of Venezuela on their constution and laws?



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 07:16 AM
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What an insane things to say. Seen a lil' documentary called ''The revolution will not be televised''?

Really, you show such contempt for people all over the globe except for the American government(not even the American people). Such a tool you are.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 07:27 AM
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Well, we both know that's not reality, and yet again you're making a conspiracy theory about rich people raising tuition fees. I just showed you the matter is not so one dimensional--that universities employ and pay people, who also have to cope with living costs, and that there are solutions, but they also have consequences. I don't think rich people are doing those things, I just think they have enough money not to feel the same way as poor people do out of the way the world economy is going. That is not a crime, they're just fortunate. They're not evil for being wealthy either.

I feel sorry for those who buy the economic fallacies of Marxism. Eventually people wise up though.

The OP stated that Chavez is taking control of the media, so of course they're going to praise him and what he wants to stand for.
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 07:43 AM
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Once again, this is not about the rich people but the ones in positions of power. When I talked about the rich in Venezuela I made a clear distinction by referring to them as those who got contracts from foreing interests.

WHO IS FUNDING THE UNIVERSITIES? WHO STEERS THOSE FUNDS? WHO IS SHAPING THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT? WHO PRINTS THE MONEY? WHO CONTROLS INFLATION?

All things you should ask yourself before falling for Western charlatans trying to demean your nation.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 07:59 AM
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The government does, in many cases and countries. As for inflation, that would be central banks, I don't believe in fractional-reserve banking or Keynesian economic policies which is in the vogue these days. If you disagree with Keynesian policies, you probably cannot support socialism, social liberalism, or communism. Might I recommend you read Economics in One Lesson?
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 08:02 AM
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Might I recommend you to look into the actions of the central banks? Who owns these central banks?



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 08:10 AM
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They're privately owned. But as I said before I don't support policies that support central banks.

When Chavez messes up Venezuela you'll see what I mean by gospel of envy.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 04:57 PM
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Such a tool you are


Oh the insults card again!. That means you got nothing! Flattery will get you everywhere sweetheart!



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 03:56 AM
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Originally posted by Maslo
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As a citizen of a post-communist country, this all sounds too familiar to me. The lies, deteriorating economy, sense of no future.


People of ATS, dont believe the propaganda!

Well - given what I have heard/read here in New Zealand about the people who oppose Chavez *(like the Cubans opposing Castro at the start) being the wealthy, and American supporters, who are also supported by America, can I believe the OP? I seriously wonder...
Venezuela has oil. Iraq had oil (of which they have of course now lost control). Afghanistan opposed a pipeline.
It all starts to look rather predictable..
Vicky
* I learned that originally from an article in the NZ Herald, written by an American who was formerly in the State Department - Buchanan is his name...



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by Zamini
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Might I recommend you to look into the actions of the central banks? Who owns these central banks?


Sometimes, even holding their hands, you cant get through to these people. You can explain how the big banks and the people in power are constantly thieving from ALL OF US, but some people just dont get it and will be their cheerleader anyway.

The American people are like a beaten housewife. We have two black eyes and a bloody lip, but we keep making excuses for our husbands, and help them control us even more.
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