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Venezuela becomes new Cuba or China

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posted on Dec, 14 2010 @ 09:17 AM
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Hello fellow ATSers.
I made this thread with the purpose of:

1st- Spread the message that Venezuela is going through a very communist law wich will censor internet,radio,tv and general mass media. We who oppose Chavez won't be able to access blogs or anything that may somehow be qualified as anti-chavez.

2nd- I do not know if i will be able to acces ATS in the future,so i wave goobye to all, you dont know me but ive been lurking and posting here and there for a couple of years now.

3rd- May these changes be a lesson to all non-venezuelan Chavez supporters out there.Would YOU live under these circumstances? Would YOU live in a country where you,as an opposer of the government can't access common blogs, radio shows, the ONLY tv channel that is not chavista will be closed, and social netwoks to express your opinions???

I've never been patriotic, i want to leave this madness.
But in the past couple of years a feeling inside me has grown

feel sadness and grief. Our basic guarantees and liberties are being crushed by a militaristic government disguised as a socialist/communist. you should see the propaganda,it's crazy and brain-washy.

We sell oil at $5 per barrel to china. We have "friends" such as Iran, China,Russia, Belarus and Chavez's favorite ally: Cuba.We are going to let Iran take our uranium(or plutonium cant remember). We have russian planes,tanks,submarines and weaponry.

We are giving China cheap,almost free oil.
and most recently. Iran is going to put their missiles here, to easily reach out to America.
At the cost of our citizens losing their homes to heavy raining.12 years under this "socialist democracy" and nothing has been accomplished.
I ask of you: PLEASE DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE OR HEAR ABOUT CHAVEZ
Hes not the demi-god, messiah as he promotes himself,helping the poor and all that propagandistic lies,and as people,specially outside of venezuela thinks.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.


Note:Mods, please move this post to where you see fit.




posted on Dec, 14 2010 @ 12:18 PM
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this is a scary story! so all the stories of the people having a better life with chavez are all propaganda? i was led to believe he made some good things happen for your country?



posted on Dec, 14 2010 @ 12:43 PM
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99% are bull.

People are losing houses and being sent to shelters cause of the rains.
in 12 years, no houses have been built.
And those who lose their houses still support the military man.



posted on Dec, 14 2010 @ 02:49 PM
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Hello there, I will also use the oportunity so say goodbye for a while on ATS. Thanks old Hugo I may also not be able to post on my favorite site.

Maybe I will become so bored by cencored internet that I will return to Europe where I will strugle with the hard winter there like anybody else...



posted on Dec, 14 2010 @ 03:29 PM
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As a citizen of a post-communist country, this all sounds too familiar to me. The lies, deteriorating economy, sense of no future.


People of ATS, dont believe the propaganda!



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 10:56 AM
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what makes it even scarier is that it feels like the U.S could be headed down this route. when did you say your last day on the ats will be? what are some other sites that will be blocked?



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 11:01 AM
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You should try the BBC for endless pro-Socialism propaganda. Seriously though, my thoughts and prayers are with the innocents suffering under communist lies and marxist brutality anywhere on earth, including Venezuela.



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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Thanks for the warning. Any country that blocks freedom of speech and free access to the internet and other news sources is up to no good. If they were NOT up to no good they would be happy to promote free speech because those praising their country would be in the majority.

Any possibility of you and your family getting out of there?

GOOD LUCK



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 11:15 AM
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We who oppose Chavez won't be able to access blogs or anything that may somehow be qualified as anti-chavez.


This sounds very familiar.

I think it was the federal government who told it's employees and students across the US to not access the Wikileaks releases in any way. Loss of job, cut of pay, lack of future prospects is what the leverage was.

Correct me if I'm wrong...but this thread is


Something I've noticed about the complainers in Venezuela...always the rich folk with their villas...what's up with that?



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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Metodex,

This is one of the benefits about sites like this.

We see different scenarios regarding Venezuela through what sources we can, but it helps to have someone from that country comment directly to spread their truths.

Thank you for spreading the message, and providing information that is timely & important to (especially) those in the US.

As a another poster mentioned, is there anyway that you and/or your family leave the country?

I could brain-storm some suggestions for you but I don't have enough specific information about you personally.

Keep us up-dated and let me know if you need anything.

Peace be with you!



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by Zamini
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We who oppose Chavez won't be able to access blogs or anything that may somehow be qualified as anti-chavez.

Something I've noticed about the complainers in Venezuela...always the rich folk with their villas...what's up with that?


I find it hard to believe that you wouldn't complain if a nasty, greasy little marxist took away all of your hard earned luxuries in life. Aspiration is not allowed, you must not try to make your life comfortable in any way. You must be punished for working hard and having a nice big financial pillow to rest on.
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posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 12:40 PM
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Yeh it was all YOUR hard work and had nothing to do with the people who offered you the contracts which made you rich, am I correct? If so, then yes, you deserve all the riches you get. If not, then you deserve all the riches you get. Enjoy.



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 12:49 PM
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Have you ever heard of ethical marketing and sales?


Or are you admitting that countries like these are *always* corrupt?
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posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 12:58 PM
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People are corruptable. I'm sure you'll find that the propaganda you put so much faith in will one day show itsself as corrupt and I'm sure a lot of situations will be cleared up when it comes to corruption.



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 01:04 PM
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The US is not flawless by any means in the realm of corruption.

But, not everyone is corrupt, especially those not involved in big government, military, or corporation (at the higher levels).

Many individuals here have built a comfortable living by working hard, and living up to honorable standards.

Do you live in the US? If not, have you visited the US?


People are corruptable. I'm sure you'll find that the propaganda you put so much faith in will one day show itsself as corrupt and I'm sure a lot of situations will be cleared up when it comes to corruption


Oh, and when will this day ^^^ come, soothsayer?

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posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 06:03 PM
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The US is not flawless by any means in the realm of corruption.


Stating the obvious to begin with, am I supposed to like the introduction?



But, not everyone is corrupt, especially those not involved in big government, military, or corporation (at the higher levels).


This is a given as well.


Many individuals here have built a comfortable living by working hard, and living up to honorable standards.


I understand that, they deserve what they earn, obviously. But it goes beyond just this. When a leader is corrupt, are the movements of the followers not the same? Until the followers become their own leaders...


Do you live in the US? If not, have you visited the US?


I don't live there, have visited...how so?


Oh, and when will this day ^^^ come, soothsayer?


It could've been yesterday.
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posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 11:11 AM
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Sadly,not in the near future.
Im still in college. And im being supported by my mother(thats pretty common here,im middle class)
I'm trying to leave with my future wife though. Somewhere i don't have to listen,or worry about politics everywhere i go. My country is so darn divided by 12 years of populist speech,its sad.
Thanks for the comment though.I will leave soon i hope,i dont know where yet.



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 11:13 AM
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i don't live in a villa.Im not rich.And i find it very insulting that you think the opposition here is based on rich people. Please avoid making such ignorant comments in the future, for you have been victim of the anti-imperialistic,populist, cheap propaganda. Learn the facts.



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 11:17 AM
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oh please do give your suggestions.
Im still on college but i can do some paperwork and you know, save money and stuff.
What did you have in mind?


Some insight and suggestions by other members are welcome as well.



posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 10:46 PM
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Well actually, you provided a little more data, and that is along the lines of one my suggestions.

You mention that you are currently a college student in Venezuela, but I would need to know more about how far along you are, your major course of study, etc., and if you don't want to post publicly you could always pm me.

My thoughts are that if you had a desire to come to the US versus remaining in your country, there are plenty of opportunities for you to come here on a graduate school student visa. Studying at the undergraduate level can be costly for someone overseas, but at the graduate level, if you have the motivation, talent, ESL scores, etc., then you could possibly be funded in a research/teaching assistantship. While not lavish, it does normally carry your tuition and a stipend for living expenses...



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