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Originally posted by BingeBob
reply to post by Vicky32
Perhaps you should check the definition of racism...
The post youre referring to is emotionally charged, sure but based on statistics and facts...
Look at the continent of africa and their rape stats...HUGE and thats just whats reported probably alot more raping goes on in the middle of the wars that are on going there.
And if someone says they hate muslims they are not RACIST they are an anti-semite.
Originally posted by JR MacBeth
Originally posted by BingeBob
reply to post by JR MacBeth
I probably wouldnt have even posted that if Vicky had something to add to the conversation besides calling someone a dirty name that has lost its meaning...
The point is that the world has become SO politically correct that it is having a reverse effect...
Case in point:
Nigerian -What you call someone from Nigeria (proper)
nigerian -Also what you call someone from Nigeria except not capitalized (nigeria)
Where it says "n word" i actually typed "Nigerian" with lowercase "n"
Officially taking a non offensive word and making it offensive all in the name of political correctness.
Class dismissededit on 18-12-2010 by BingeBob because: (no reason given)
That's interesting BingeBob, I think you make a good point about political correctness having the reverse effect.
But I also think that those who are marching to the political correct lock-step, will also be the most likely to miss, or rather , dismiss your point. These are the folks who don't think you even have a right to say what you just said, in spite of it's respectfulness.
And I also wonder how many of these same folks even realize that they are doing most of the "insulting", seldom really adding anything to a conversation, other than, "gotcha!". They imagine that they are the offended party, and yet somehow manage to actually do the most offending.
Well, this is ATS after all. I think we should all strive to have more "tolerance" than we think is "appropriate", and only after that, if something still manages to get under our skin, then maybe mention it, but don't go bananas, ya know. Thick skin not necessarily "required" for a good debate, but highly recommended. Otherwise, it becomes more about people's "feelings", and the issues can get lost.
Further to this there have been a number of high profile shootings in America were a gun man has committed multiple homicide or gang warfare has resulted in innocents being killed. Now with that in mind how can you possibly say that the right to bear arms is justified?
To clarify, JR, it was your remark about apes and jungles, and Africans having raping wives and goats that got up my - er - goat!
(Australian cultural reference you probably won't get, but what the heck!)
I am not "politically correct", absolutely not. (( won't go into detail as to why and in what way, I don't like fighting.)
I am, pretty obviously, with the OP. It makes me ill to see what happens when everyone has a gun or a heap of them, and I am extremely glad that my country (New Zealand) has pretty strict gun control laws, and our police are not armed - though I fear that's going to change soon, as we have a far-right government which loves all things American, in power now.
I say that even though my father who had fought in WW2 (English, not American or NZ!) kept an arsenal in our house and taught his daughters to shoot, because he was afraid NZ would be invaded in his lifetime. He died young, and in the 36 years since then, NZ has not been invaded, and I can't see that it ever will be. The gun lessons he gave us were completely wasted!
I am thankful that our murder rate is very low, and our firearm murder rate is even lower (though it's been artificially inflated over the years by a couple of psychos who ran amok with guns in the 1990s.)
Two mass murderers in 20 years.
As far as I have been able to observe, the propensity to rape or commit crime has nothing to do with race. It has however, a lot to do with sex!
I don't fear Africans, Muslims, Maori or Islanders when I am out late at night. I fear men!
Originally posted by azonche
reply to post by kevinunknown
Actually what the worry is about is the weapons that are not registered. Forbiding guns seems like a good idea until you understand the truly massive amount of weapons that are not registered. I would hazard that the true amount is several times what is "on the books" . I have been told that a new system is going into place soon that will require ammo buyers to run id before purchase. This will prevent buying ammo for a gun that is not registered to you. However then you get caught up in the home reloading( which is also massive by the way) business. Americans ( of which I am one) have a history of loving their guns( for right or wrong there is debate...but it is the way I was raised). I respect your opinions on this but understand this is the way many here were raised. In larger cities to be sure gun ownership is lower. Out in the countryside it is totally different. You can see that I dont have a def answer to you question( there really is none). Just that being unarmed in this country makes many feel ...uneasy is the best word. Read into that what you will.
Originally posted by EssenSieMich
reply to post by kevinunknown
First off - We don't have a 'Bill of Needs' we have a "Bill of Rights' - that means there is no justification required to exercise our rights, because they are rights.
Lesser countries, old world countries, had what was called a 'Coat of Arms' - that was a license given by the king that allowed someone to bear arms. Because peasants were not allowed to bear arms they were easily dominated by the pigs that called themselves the nobility. So essentially the right to bear arms is the right of the people to overthrow a tyrannical government. Peasants in countries other then the United States do not have or even understand this right because they have been peasants from the beginning of time.
Originally posted by JR MacBeth
Thanks for the contribution Vicky, and not to worry, the mods took your complaint seriously, and they don't always do that, just ask the many Jews who are continually vilified, sometimes beyond belief. Ah, but that's another story.
I would "seriously" recommend looking for Skyfloating's thread about projection, and perception, it might help down the line. Also, it's not unheard of to attempt to pick up some "context" for a remark you may encounter. I shall not even ask what your personal context might be for fearing men.
As far as fearing men, that's an honest confession, nothing wrong with that. Perhaps when you get a chance you might read some pages back, some of my posts, and others, that might refer to the Great Equalizer. It's a nifty little device that, with proper training, might put your mind at ease.
Uh, well, not really. You live in a gun-control nation! Sorry, you, and your fellow NZ ladies are sadly out of luck.
As far as the demographics issue, you are completely ignorant it would seem, since you are apparently not even granting that it could be an important factor at all. But that doesn't mean you can't learn. No, it doesn't sound like you would even have the slightest interest in learning about African customs and some of their cultural norms (which obviously would not help your Aussie cultural references by the way), but again, you might just learn something.
Ah yes, and the infamous remark about "apes". Clearly terrible judgement on my part! Is it "racial"? Well, probably most racists would have to think so! But we're all a bit of that really, it's just the way it is. Of course, scientifically, the idea of "race" is losing it's meaning, but that doesn't change the fact that there are still "real" differences, but those differences are primarily CULTURAL. And that IS germane to this thread really, considering that so many from the Commonwealth have been citing their wonderful low-crime stats (as you do as well), when many can easily see that it can be a case of apples and oranges.
This may be an advanced concept, but I would encourage all Europeans who have so smugly posted in this thread about gun (control), whining about the terrible crime rates in the US, blaming it all on "too many guns", etc.
TAKE OUT A MAP. Which country shares a very long Southern border with the USA? Would that be Sweden perhaps? Or Switzerland? Which would it be? Obviously, it could help explain some of the massive differences in stats. I won't even go into the reality of populations concentrated in inner cities in the US. Or perhaps a knowledgeable European out there will compare Detroit with Dublin to make a point?
I'm not sure why context is often so despised, you would think that someone with a Scottish MacBeth avatar, posting in a thread with an APE avatar (gun hidden), who claims to be from Scotland, might be an indication that we are ALL "apes" on the inside, with an old joke about the Scots coming out of the trees later, current in the UK in days gone by. But you are proof that all that "subtlety" pales when someone already has connected ape and "race" so firmly. Sort of a shame. Obviously, subtle context notwithstanding, definitely not wonderful judgement on my part!
Some of us are not as "careful" as the current times would dictate, this is true. But for so many to literally be bragging about their ignorance on a site that has taken for it's motto, "Deny Ignorance", well, it's especially funny because ATS has embraced special forms of political correctness that undercut their own lofty aspirations. But that is our reality now, worldwide, and ATS still at least "tries" (I think) to keep it's head up, amidst these difficult times.
To me guns are inherently evil objects that have been designed to kill our fellow man and therefore are evil as is to use a gun to kill.