I meant asystole, or EKG flat-line baby, as in lacking any QRS complexes, or what most people would consider death. When the old monitor ain’t makin’
that blip-blip sound no more…
I am sorry I did not have any reference books lying around at the moment to check the spelling on this, but I only misspelled it by one L, not bad
for me really. You know that is why so many medical people write so badly, too many long difficult to spell words, not enough dictionaries lying
around or time to look everything up……
I will U2U you and give it a shot, if you know a doctor that is in the mid western coast of Florida. I am pretty new to this BBS thing and don’t know
how to U2U yet but will figure it out tonight when I have a chance.
But back to the topic, you totally dismissed the most important part of the post that I placed before. Which is this, when we treat a patient with the
proper settings of CPAP why is there a period of REM rebound that occurs until the body makes up for the deficit of REM sleep it has accumulated
during the periods when it was unable to remain in stage REM.
If it is simply spiritual entities that cause REM and there are no physical factors involved, then REM should be maintained if there is an open airway
or not, it should also be maintained in patients that are placed on REM inhibiting medications. As such it also follows that when this airway is
reestablished that if it where telepathic entities (TE’s like reverse Et‘s, I like that!!) communicating REM, then why would this stage of sleep
increase once the obstructed airway is splinted?….
I can understand now where you are coming from to a point and as such I pose these additional questions to you:
Parapsychology is young as a science, and one of the most difficult things with the study of this is the inability to find quantifiable, measurable
data to collect. Parapsychologists at this point can collect magnetic fluctuations, temperature changes, electrical anomalies, audio recordings, and
photographic and video footage on a wide scale of light frequencies. I know this because when I was younger I thought it would be an interesting field
to go into and still keep up on some of stuff written on the subject.
In medicine, we collect ACTUAL recorded measurable data. On a standard sleep study we read L/Roc (eye movements), EMG (electromyography, or muscle
tone), at least 2 channels of Central brain activity (C3 and C4) and 2 channels from the Optical lobe (O1and O2) of Electroencephalogram (EEG), EKG
(heart), L/Rat (limb movements), Snore, PTAF or pressure transduced airflow, Abdominal and thoracic effort, Intercostals Muscle effort, SAO2 or O2
saturation, Heart rate, infra red room recording devices, high sensitivity room microphones, just to name a few. There are many more if we are looking
for something specific.
The point is that this data is collected on thousands of people across the world every night, and has been since the 70’s (and most of the technology
has been used since the 50‘s). You would think that a few trends would show up over the years from that much accumulated measurable data.
So now that being said, what is the quantifiable measurable data to show your point out validates mine?
On what frequency are you monitoring these telepathic communications?
I’ll take a scanner to work with me and give it a try tonight when one of my patients goes into REM.
At what setting should I use on the infrared camera’s to catch one of these TE’s in action, I am already using infrared, which is what most
parapsychologists use, can you suggest another?
Is there some other trick that you are using to show that these entities exist, or cause REM or any other sleep disorders?
Where are the ET’s and TE’s on the nights that these patients are monitored, do they check with all the sleep labs across the entire planet to ensure
that the target of their nights activity is not going to be in a lab somewhere?
Do they alter the technician’s memory, and the recorded data both on the polygraph and the camera?
Are Polysomnographers everywhere part of the PTB’s cover-up, in the know, illuminists, Men in Black (Actually I do usually wear black scrubs), or
Or is it just that you HATE traditional medicine, or are afraid to go to see a real doctor because he will tell you something that you do not wish to
I think that I have been pretty open mined and fair with you up to this point. It was never my intention to have to type out half this much stuff when
I started, I was simply giving a piece of advice (that was good, fair, and open minded advice, meant to help) to someone with a problem, and based on
the description that person gave it showed certain symptoms that prompted that advice.
Now you be fair. Before you accuse me of being of the, “dialectical materialistic mindset”, again because I am asking for quantifiable measurable
evidence, consider this:
Your buddies the parapsychologists are looking for that exact thing, but have as to date not shown anything that can be proven. Are they also of the,
“dialectical materialistic mindset”, for trying to find this evidence?
Is there nothing to the scientific process in your mind, or is it only a factor when it supports what you personally believe?
And finally, I have told you across these many posts that I am a Christian. That I do believe there are things beyond our perception (familiar
spirits, daemons, neliphim, a GOD). That I have worked in ONE place that was truly haunted by something that was witnessed by more then just me. That
if you really want to see some strange stuff go work at a hospital because strange stuff happens in them all the time. That most doctors I know are
very spiritual (they may not go into it with their patients) but they are. There is one doctor I know whose wife is an acupuncturist, sounds like they
are pretty spiritual to me. I personally have read way beyond the norm into paranormal and spiritual things ( you get a lot of time to read doing my
job ), I have read into the Cabala, the Pseudopigraphia, Egyptian texts, Babylonian texts, you name it I have most likely read it ( matter of fact
here is a excellent site or old historical texts online www.earth-history.com...
). For crying out loud I am posting on a conspiracy theory web
site. Do you really feel that I have a dialectical materialistic mindset, just because I say that you should eliminate the factors in an orderly
process starting with the ones we can understand, measure, and control?
One more thing about the medical people I know, and what I have seen about their level of spirituality. Ill tell you I have done a lot of different
jobs over the years, and have worked in everything from aviation to computers to medicine, and only in the medical field was it EVER acceptable to
discuss religion, spirituality, you name it. When you deal with that stuff every day, people are going to talk about it. When medical people get
attached to a patient and the person dies, it affects them, and unfortunately that happens a lot when you work with sick people. If you feel that
people in medicine are distant, not listening, acting aloof, unsympathetic, it’s a protection mechanism to shield them from what often ends up
happening to the people they work on (often pain, sometimes death), it becomes automatic.
I used to joke about how I how have to lose a limb before anything that happened to me as a kid would effect my mother, the normal scratches bruises
and stuff that my friends parents would be running to the ER over, my mother would look at them and say, “well, you’ll live”, and you know what, I
always did. That same person used to come home often at night upset because she had to Pull-The-Plug on some sweet old grandma or grandpa that she was
pulling for. So now tell me how would you COPE with that situation, or have you ever had to?
Yep most medical personnel don’t dismiss death, near death or anything about the subject as CRAP…….
Anyway I have enjoyed this debate, and would not mind continuing it, but maybe we should take it off this poor guys thread. Can the mods move our
posts to a debate thread somewhere, do they have the POWER?
Just let me know??
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