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posted on Dec, 14 2010 @ 12:06 AM
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Why is it people always talk of illuminati bloodliness, when none of that can be documented. Yet, the Nobles of Europe; House of Borbon, Savoy, Saxony, Hesse, Lorraine go back thousand of years. with dukes, holy roman emperors, mayors etc in their lines

Take these two very extreme examples.

Otto Von Habsurg

Otto is a member of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine, descended from the Dukes of Lorraine, of Frankish origin.


Otto's patriline is the line from which he is descended father to son. It follows the Emperors of Austria, the Dukes of Lorraine and before them, the Counts of Norgau. The line can be traced back more than 1,400 years and is one of the oldest in Europe.


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1. Aymes (490)
2. Wago, Count of Montreuil 512-XXX
3. Leuthaire, Duke of Allemania (d533/4)
4. Erchenaud (Erkembald)
5. Leuthaire [II] (Laetharus)
6. Erchinold, Major Domo of France (d657/661)
7. Leuthaire [III], aka Leudisius of Peronne, Major Domo of France (d673)
8. Adalric or Etichon, c. 630 - bef. 690, Duke of Alsace from 670; brother of Gandalen, Abbot of Béze who died aft. 677
9. Adalric or Haicon, c. 670 - aft. 726, Count of Norgau
10. Albéric, c. 710 - c. 760, Count of Norgau c. 730 - 735
11. Eberard I, c. 745 - c. 795, Count of Norgau 765 - 777
12. Eberard II, c. 790 - c. 864, Count of Norgau in 864
13. Eberard III, 830 - c. 900, Count of Norgau in 885
14. Hugues I, bef. 875 - c. 940, Count of Norgau
15. Eberard IV, 905 - 18 December 967, Count of Norgau until 951
16. Adalbert, c. 955 - aft. 1033, Count of Metz in c. 890, Founder of the Monastery of Bougainville
17. Gerard de Bouzonville, Count of Metz, c. 985 - 1045
18. Gerard, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1028 - 1070; his older brother Adalbert, c. 1016 - 1048, Count of Longwy, Duke of Haute Lorraine from 1047 to 1048, was the patrilineal ancestor of the Counts of Burgundy and the Kings of Castile from the 12th century to the 15th century
19. Theodoric II, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1055 - 1115
20. Simon I, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1080 - 1138; his younger brother Thierry of Alsace, d. c. 1168, Count of Flanders, was the patrilineal ancestor of the House of Flanders
21. Matthias I, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1110 - 1176
22. Frederick I, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1140 - 1207
23. Frederick II, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1165 - 1213
24. Matthias II, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1192 - 1251
25. Frederick III, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1230 - 1303
26. Theobald II, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1260 - 1312
27. Frederick IV, Duke of Lorraine, 1282–1328
28. Rudolph, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1310 - 1346
29. John I, Duke of Lorraine, 1346–1390
30. Frederick of Lorraine, 1371–1415
31. Antoine of Vaudémont, c. 1395 - 1431
32. Frederick II of Vaudémont, 1417–1470
33. René II, Duke of Lorraine, 1451–1508
34. Antoine, Duke of Lorraine, 1489–1544
35. Francis I, Duke of Lorraine, 1517–1545
36. Charles III, Duke of Lorraine, 1543–1608
37. Francis II, Duke of Lorraine, 1572–1632
38. Nicholas II, Duke of Lorraine, Cardinal, 1609–1679
39. Charles V, Duke of Lorraine, 1643–1690
40. Leopold, Duke of Lorraine, 1679–1729
41. Francis I, Holy Roman Emperor, 1708–1765
42. Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor, 1747–1792
43. Francis II, Holy Roman Emperor, 1768–1835
44. Archduke Franz Karl of Austria, 1802–1878
45. Archduke Charles Louis of Austria, 1833–1896
46. Archduke Otto Francis of Austria, 1865–1906
47. Blessed Charles I of Austria, 1887–1922
48. Otto von Habsburg, 1912 -


Henri, Grand Duke of Luxembourg

1. Robert or Radon, Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia in 613
2. Robert, Referendary in 629 and Duke in 631
3. Erlebert, Noble of Therouanne
4. Robert, Mayor of the Palace of Neustria in 653, Referendary in 658 and Count in Alsace in 673
5. Robert I of Worms and Rheingau, d. 764
6. Thuringbert of Worms and Rheingau
7. Robert II of Worms and Rheingau (Robert of Hesbaye), 770 - 807
8. Robert III of Worms and Rheingau, 808 - 834
9. Robert IV the Strong, 820 - 866
10. Robert I of France, 866 - 923
11. Hugh the Great, 895 - 956
12. Hugh Capet, 941 - 996
13. Robert II of France, 972 - 1031
14. Henry I of France, 1008–1060
15. Philip I of France, 1053–1108
16. Louis VI of France, 1081–1137
17. Louis VII of France, 1120–1180
18. Philip II of France, 1165–1223
19. Louis VIII of France, 1187–1226
20. Louis IX of France, 1215–1270
21. Robert, Count of Clermont, 1256–1317
22. Louis I, Duke of Bourbon, 1279–1342
23. James I, Count of La Marche, 1319–1362
24. John I, Count of La Marche, 1344–1393
25. Louis, Count of Vendôme, 1376–1446
26. Jean VIII, Count of Vendôme, 1428–1478
27. François, Count of Vendôme, 1470–1495
28. Charles de Bourbon, Duke of Vendôme, 1489–1537
29. Antoine of Navarre, 1518–1562
30. Henry IV of France, 1553–1610
31. Louis XIII of France, 1601–1643
32. Louis XIV of France, 1638–1715
33. Louis, Dauphin of France (1661-1711), 1661–1711
34. Philip V of Spain, 1683–1746
35. Philip, Duke of Parma, 1720–1765
36. Ferdinand, Duke of Parma, 1751–1802
37. Louis of Etruria, 1773–1803
38. Charles II, Duke of Parma, 1799–1883
39. Charles III, Duke of Parma, 1823–1854
40. Robert I, Duke of Parma, 1848–1907
41. Felix of Bourbon-Parma, 1893–1970
42. Jean, Grand Duke of Luxembourg, 1921 -
43. Henri, Grand Duke of Luxembourg, 1955 -

Who can compare to these people? they have preserved there power for thousands of years. They throw bankers, industrialists and religious leaders infront of them (many of who are of lesser noble families themselves) yet these ones.. No mention of them.




Massimo is the name of a Roman princely family of great age; which by its own tradition descends from the ancient Maximi of republican Rome and from Quintus Fabius Maximus (c. 275 BC – 203 BC), called Cunctator (the Delayer). When asked by Napoleon (with whom he was negotiating the Treaty of Tolentino) whether the family descended from Fabius Maximus, the then Prince Massimo famously replied "I do not know that it is true, but it has been a tradition in the family for some thirteen or fourteen hundred years."[1]. The family genealogical tree starts with a Leone Massimo in the 11th century, but clear records do not begin until the 15th century.[2] The family is generally recognised as one of the oldest noble families in Europe.

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This is an especially important noble family. again no fricken mention of them. Its as if people staple their eyes shut or something. Theyre just the oldest noble house in Europe. Their standing in the oldest most powerful city in europe, Rome, extends back before the common era, to the ancient Maximi family, and evn further back to the fabians




The gens Fabia was one of the most ancient patrician families at Rome. The gens played a prominent part in history soon after the establishment of the Republic, and three brothers are said to have been invested with seven successive consulships, from BC 485 to 479. The house derived its greatest lustre from the patriotic courage and tragic fate of the 306 Fabii in the Battle of the Cremera, BC 477. But the Fabii were not distinguished as warriors alone; several members of the gens were also important in the history of Roman literature and the arts.[1]


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You will notice that this family has princesses from all the biggest noble house in europe intermarrying with them. In mystical terms;the feminine is passive. The princesses, who are the extention of the other noble houses, therefore defer to the masculine, and 'active' influence of the massimos - which in italian means 'great'. And indeed, they are so great people dont even seem to know they exist.


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posted on Dec, 14 2010 @ 12:38 AM
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The illuminati as it existed no longer exists. In my mind, these powerful families are the "illuminati"



posted on Dec, 14 2010 @ 01:05 AM
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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
The illuminati as it existed no longer exists. In my mind, these powerful families are the "illuminati"


Youre right. Since illuminati is just a trite term referring to 'enlightened ones'. It can mean enlightened spiritually, or enlightened to some great agenda.



posted on Dec, 14 2010 @ 02:22 AM
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I think it, along with NWO, has simply become a convenient term for those in power. And I think it would apply to those in your OP.



posted on Dec, 14 2010 @ 02:34 AM
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In terms of a heirarchy. They are at the very top; with the Vatican and the other christian denominations as their spiritual vessel.

Beneath them are the usuals. Bankers, industrialists, politicians, succesful businessmen, prominent military families..

Basically, you find your way into this partnership through fortune, i suppose. So many of todays elites are themselves from aristocratic bacvkgrounds. But none so presitigious as these lines. These men assume roles of prominent just because; just look at that ancestory! it is mind boggling. It goes back thousands of years. And its a direct, father son relationship. Everyone of them transmitting to their son a honorific title..Even Henri is the grand duke of Luexmbourg, by virtue of nothing but his aristocratic lineage.

you knw how dark that is? Whats democracy in that light? Really? People can be so dumb. They train us this way of course.

A long time ago a certain band of intelligent men came together to guide mankind as their leaders. This is so ancient, it very well may go as far back as the Sumerians. But at the very least, we can trace it to platos 'republic' with philosopher kings - noble men, from noble backgrounds, leading mankind in the way they want them to go.

Thats why the Royal families are worshipped and why there are political families of enormous power (kennedies, bushes etc). ... Its simply, my children will rule, and their children will rule. And so on, ad infinitum (in their heads).

But in the ladder of power, these guys are at the very top. Only lately, the last 150 years or so, have they defered their noble power as 'kings and emperors' to others, to stand in front of them, while they continue on planning their agenda.

I will say though that they are incedibly smart. Incredible. I can only understand that they are the ones. But the way they manage such a complicated system is amazing.



posted on Dec, 14 2010 @ 02:34 AM
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You said those two examples were extremes, do you of any others?



posted on Dec, 14 2010 @ 03:01 AM
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I would argue the Western aristocracy has its roots in the pre Imperial Roman Orders: the Ordo Senatorius, Nobilitas, and Equester.

I mean the system, not that modern Rome is in anyway the Caput Mundi. The closest to a Caput Mundi is in Basel, Switzerland at the Bank for International Settlements. Its Board and its Shareholders are the Patricians of the current Imperium Mundi.
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posted on Dec, 14 2010 @ 04:03 AM
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Originally posted by squirelnutz
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You said those two examples were extremes, do you of any others?


There are probably others.

These are from wikipedia.



posted on Dec, 14 2010 @ 04:29 AM
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wow yeah..



Otto I was related to every other king of Germany.


Otto I



posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 12:43 PM
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I could if i had the time could compile all sorts of genealogies, just by using wikipedia, that likeiwse can be traced back to the beginning of the common era, So.. its pretty clear that it goes further, except we just dont have a historical documentation of it( but its pretty clear, if they can maintain power for 1600 + years, even into this era of 'democracy', its highly likely that this goes back into roman times, and even further, into Greek, Indo-European, Egyptian/Babylonian times aswell). It does appear though that most of todays european nobles are of frankish origin - that is, german, to the legendary frankish king, Merovech - from where we get the word 'Merovingian'. It can be traced further back than this, but scholars find it difficult as he has been mythologized by history.

In anycase, theres much evidence that merging this line with the roman lines. It really is amazing how pretty much the majority of the early 'saints' canonized by the roman chruch were members of the roman aristocracy. The very memory of merovach that we have is from st gregory of tours, who was son of nicetius of lyon, who is a descendant of Decimus Rusticus, b. 370 CE. This man was a son in law of Eucherius of Lyon. For some reason, theres a wall up between the nobles after 300 CE and those who preceded them. I guess to point out the shift from paganism to christianity, which occurred around this period.
The nobles have all the power.

I was looking at the current duke of braga - portuguese noble house, , and he too can be traced back to the Merovach.

It just doesnt end with these people. They are the ultra elite. If people want to attribute power to the rothschilds. Sure, go ahead. just know they are only a front, and in the scheme of things only 'manage' the finances for these nobles. They are not the decision makers themselves. Hardly.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 05:55 PM
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Check this out:

Presidential Genealogy


Isn't everyone at least 13th cousins or something like that?




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