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Obamacare ruled unconstitutional

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posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:07 PM
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Any candidate at this point is better than Obama.....heck, I'm a better candidate than obama! Whereweheaded2012!




posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:07 PM
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Do you honestly believe that?

Lets make a friendly little wager on it. The loser never again posts on ATS.

I believe it will be ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS.

Sound good?


I do honestly believe it...I don't know it...but I believe it. The SCOTUS loves the commerce clause...they won't do anything to weaken it, IMO.

I wouldn't make a bet with you on anything...I know your posting history...I'd say you are less than honest...just my opinion.


And IF...a BIG IF...the supreme court ruled it unconstitutional...it would only be for the mandate...not the whole bill. So then we are left with insurance companies required to cover pre-existing conditions and people not having to get insurance until they are sick. The insurance company will collapse...and then the government would be forced to take over anyway...and we would likely get a single payer system.

Either way...I don't care...it will all work out in the end. The mandate will either stick and eventually we will get a public option...or it won't and eventually we will get single payer. Win/Win.
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posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:10 PM
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Oh? Less than honest?

Lets see some proof.

Better have something to back up a pathetic contention like that.



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:11 PM
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No state court has the legal autourity to usurp the Federal Govt and that is that. 10 is null and void here.

If there was a proposal before either a court or The Congress to mandate that American jobs stay stateside the idiots would try and cite the 10th to get out of it.

The Federal Govt in this case needed to get involved in healthcare as for decades it has been a joke.

The "Death Panels" everyone was harking on as of late is your insurace provider on the phone 1,000 miles away dictating wether or not you qualify for this or that. Reality is that every insurance company has kills more Americans every single year then 9/11, Korea, Vietnam, Katrina, Iraq, Afghanistan combined.

This made it illegal if you or your kid got sick that they wouldn't get dropped. Stop doing the trillion dollar a year lobbying groups work and start doing the work that is for the people.



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:12 PM
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That would be to logical? Actually supplying facts to back ones statements?



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:13 PM
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You wrote: " Show me a better candidate and I will vote for them...But Romney? Palin?...still waiting".

Answer: "End the Fed" "Ron Paul"

Scoutsniper



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by BigTimeCheater
 


That would be to logical? Actually supplying facts to back ones statements?


I never expect someone with a leftist slant in their opinions to have proof of anything.

They live in fantasyland where facts simply dont exist.



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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Thank you! Ron Paul 2012!



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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Apparently! We see this as prevalent lately~



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
No state court has the legal autourity to usurp the Federal Govt and that is that.

Hmmm .. the ol' states rights discussion.



- Obamacare forces people to buy a product. It's unconstititional.

- This product is different than the mandated car insurance in that a person doesn't HAVE to buy a car, but if they decide to do so then they have to get car insurance.

- Obamacare waivers ... last count was to over 200 business' and organizations (NEA, McDonalds, etc). Waivers for special groups (some big democratic lobbiests and donors) ... That isn't exactly following the spirit of Obamacare, now is it?

- Obamacare is unsustainable. That's the bottom line. Healthcare reform is needed, but what has been presented is simply unsustainable .. especially if people are allowed to 'opt out' or get waivers. The system won't hold up.



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:17 PM
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I suspect Bill and Hillary will have something to say about Obamacare in 2012 ...never fear, the Clinton's are here


Earlier this morning I heard someone on the radio saying the Clinton's might do us all a favor


Stranger things have happened or is this be the strangest?


edit on 13-12-2010 by sweetliberty because: omit a word



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by BigTimeCheater
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Oh? Less than honest?

Lets see some proof.

Better have something to back up a pathetic contention like that.


Oh it is quite simple...the fact that you make it a point to say that you are against both the right and the left...that you are against both democrats and republicans....and yet all you are is a big cheerleader for the right and the republicans.

It's a common tactic used...it's called being a shill...but it is very easy to spot once you have seen it enough.

I consider that being less than honest. Like I said...just my opinion...seems to have struck a nerve tho.


EDIT: To add an example...you provide me one right in this thread:

I never expect someone with a leftist slant in their opinions to have proof of anything.

They live in fantasyland where facts simply dont exist.


Keep on shilling.
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posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:21 PM
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This is what happens when you get elected BSing...you have to actually make decisions.

That covers about 98% of all politicians.

Too bad they do make decisions, most of them are wrong.



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:22 PM
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Uh not quite.

My support for abortion, gay marriage, and getting jesus out of public pretty much makes republicans hate me too.

I am pro freedom, and neither the D's or the R's platform is something I like.

You should really try harder next time kid.



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by BigTimeCheater

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by BigTimeCheater

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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There have already been other judges that have rule in favor of the Health Care Reform Bill. And other courts that have just flat out thrown out the cases challenging them.

This is one judge in one case...if he judges it unconstitutional, all that will do is advance it to the Supreme Court. I doubt they will rule it unconstitutional, but go ahead and get your hopes up.

But honestly, this ruling means nothing...the Health Care Reform will still not be repealed.


Do you honestly believe that?

Lets make a friendly little wager on it. The loser never again posts on ATS.

I believe it will be ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS.

Sound good?


Can I take that bet?


Absolutely.

Obamacare completely flies in the face of the Constitution. No way will it ever be found to be within the powers of government.

I will take a screencap and keep it in my media upload area as proof. No new accounts, nothing. The loser simply disappears from ATS for good.


Agreed. I have read up on the constitutionality of the mandate, various opinions of legal scholars as I am sure you have.

Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts will look to overturn it..

Kennedy, Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayer and Kagen will rule it constitutional.

You can screencap that call as well just for fun
Though I wouldn't bet membership on the justice breakdown.

FYI - I'd be fine with a repeal of the mandate...as a repeal of the mandate would require a Public Option to have any reform work...gop or dem. and I strongly prefer the public option.



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by BigTimeCheater
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Uh not quite.

My support for abortion, gay marriage, and getting jesus out of public pretty much makes republicans hate me too.

I am pro freedom, and neither the D's or the R's platform is something I like.

You should really try harder next time kid.


Then let's see you in those threads...you seem oddly silent on them...except here in an attempt to defend yourself.

I am against abortion, support gay marriage, but don't mind Jesus or any other religious symbol in public...but I don't run around claiming I'm against both the left and the right and then only bash one side.

Your actions are what define you....sorry.



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by BigTimeCheater
 



Do you honestly believe that?

Lets make a friendly little wager on it. The loser never again posts on ATS.

I believe it will be ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS.

Sound good?


I do honestly believe it...I don't know it...but I believe it. The SCOTUS loves the commerce clause...they won't do anything to weaken it, IMO.

I wouldn't make a bet with you on anything...I know your posting history...I'd say you are less than honest...just my opinion.


Now you tell me!! His screen name should have given me a hint LOL.

Bet still on "Big Time.."



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:26 PM
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Would you care to post your resume`? Have you been vetted? Were you born in the USA? Do you believe in the Consitution as written by the founding fathers? Will you repeal "healthscare". Will you end the Fed? Will you prosecute those that have attempted to subvert our Nation? Are you a "regular guy"? IE Opposite of obama (Barry Soetoro) Kenyan by birth, communist by the NWO plan.

If your answer is "yes" to all these questions, then you just scored your first vote.

I'll start the campaign by prining up some slogans and logos. IE "Whereweheaded, take us to the top"!!
"Whereweheaded is leading in the right direction". "Whereweheaded for President".

Maybe we need to work on another name title for you. (Just Kiddin)
For me its: "American by birth, "Southern" by the Grace of God".


Scoutsniper



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:28 PM
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They tried to get the Public Option and the Insurance Exchange established but was defeated by the GOP and thier Insurance company lobbyists group masters and made sure it never got passed so that blame lies solely and squarely at tthe feet of the GOP and no one else.



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:30 PM
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Isn't interesting, when someone's views are historically proven to be more on the fundamentals of the Constitution, how someones arguments tends to avoid that crucial piece of evidence?



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