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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 09:54 PM
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This is an age of Computers and Floppy Disks.. Surely it could be recovered from a fire..

I keep my back up in a fireproof safe.. Plug it in once a week, and done.. I would hope an organization such as the Mormons would be able to think of something along those lines




posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by squirelnutz
reply to post by Annee
 


This is an age of Computers and Floppy Disks.. Surely it could be recovered from a fire..

I keep my back up in a fireproof safe.. Plug it in once a week, and done.. I would hope an organization such as the Mormons would be able to think of something along those lines


I don't believe I mentioned what era that happened.

My hubby is a Tech - - and I think you are being very simplistic on recovering data.

Mormons have only recently (maybe the last 20 years) been entering the hard copy data into a computer base. It is a long slow process.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 10:46 PM
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The four sons of Horus:

According to the Book of Mormon, a Nephite is a member of one of the four main groups of settlers of the ancient Americas. The other three groups are the Lamanites, Jaredites and Mulekites. ---wiki



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 10:25 PM
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When Jesus was crucifed on the cross, He descended into a realm known to Mormons as "The Spirit Prison" or Hell as other religions would call it. He preached for 3 days to lost souls while His "ghost" was separated from His body.

Upon the third day, His spirit reunited with His body and was resurrected.

Temple work is Divine and Holy work. It is commanded that we must do these things and the Mormons happen to be the only religion that has a living prophet at the head of the church. He takes intructions from Father in Heaven and Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit and conveys the intructions to the members of the church.

It's a deep subject that requires much study. There is truth in many ancient scriptures before the New Testament. Why do you think that Jesus Himself quoted so many prophets from the Old Testament?

There is a universal truth that predates beyond Adam and Eve. Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of ancient prophecies, as well as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

What the Catholics have perverted for centuries, the Mormons are here to clear it up. Nothing against Catholics. Just their leaders.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by Alethea
reply to post by Alethea
 


The four sons of Horus:

According to the Book of Mormon, a Nephite is a member of one of the four main groups of settlers of the ancient Americas. The other three groups are the Lamanites, Jaredites and Mulekites. ---wiki


Everyone knowss that the Jaredites were here before Nephi and his family. The Nephi and Laman were brothers, sons of Lehi. Laman rebelled against Nephi and thus his descendants became Lamanites and the descendants of Nephi became Nephited.

Mormon was a Nephite, as well as his son Moroni.They were the very last of the Nephites. Moroni buried the ancient records of his people only to later reveal them to Joseph Smith when he appeared to Joseph as an angel.

I'm not trying to tell you what to believe. I'm just telling you what the Mormons believe.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 08:55 AM
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...the Mormons happen to be the only religion that has a living prophet at the head of the church. He takes intructions from Father in Heaven and Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit and conveys the intructions to the members of the church.

What the Catholics have perverted for centuries, the Mormons are here to clear it up. Nothing against Catholics. Just their leaders.


While Catholics and Mormons probably have little in common (both groups would be happy with that statement!), BOTH Mormons and Catholics have a "living prophet", or POPE, who can take directions from Heaven.

It's a nice arrangement, especially if things need changing, but they have to be careful!

If a Pope, or Mormon President should "revelate" or preach some new thing, that actually contradicts previous popes or presidents, there are going to those who cry foul, and it won't just be from those "outside" the church.

Today we have in both these denominations splinter groups who claim to be going with the original plan. Traditional Catholics like Mel Gibson, who reject the pope in Rome, claiming Benedict is an "anti-pope".

And certainly everyone seems to know about the part of the old Mormon church that still practices polygamy, since that hit show "Sister Wives" went on the air.

But hey, we shouldn't have anything against Catholics or Mormons...Just their leaders...

JR



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by Intelearthling
reply to post by Alethea
 


When Jesus was crucifed on the cross, He descended into a realm known to Mormons as "The Spirit Prison" or Hell as other religions would call it. He preached for 3 days to lost souls while His "ghost" was separated from His body.

Upon the third day, His spirit reunited with His body and was resurrected.



According to scripture, Jesus's last words were "It is finished". That was supposedly based on the reality of a man's dying words witnessed by many people. The supposition that Jesus still had unfinished business in going to hell to preach to the dead is a fantastic story not based on any reality that can be corroborated nor was it witnessed.



Originally posted by Intelearthling
Temple work is Divine and Holy work.


The "temple prostitutes" were convinced they were doing good work on behalf of the goddesses, too.



Originally posted by Intelearthling
It is commanded that we must do these things


By whom? A man who seats himself in the place of god?




Originally posted by Intelearthling
and the Mormons happen to be the only religion that has a living prophet at the head of the church. He takes intructions from Father in Heaven and Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit and conveys the intructions to the members of the church.


Yep. That's the very description of a man who seats himself in place of god, purporting to speak for god. I believe scripture even tells you to watch for those things because these type of people are the "anti-christ". Paraphrased, 'He as god, sittith in the temple of god, showing himself that he is god.'



Originally posted by Intelearthling
What the Catholics have perverted for centuries, the Mormons are here to clear it up. Nothing against Catholics. Just their leaders.


"Leaders" of the Catholics and all the other denominations are merely figureheads under "The Evil One". I would venture that the Mormons have a very strong tie to the secret society cults, which are death oriented, and also have the Pope in their religious hierarchy as well.


Again, this thread is not about doctrine, but this aspect you presented does help to shed light on why the Mormons are more concerned with death rituals moreso than the life that is presented to them in this realm. Didn't Jesus say to "let the dead bury the dead"? All this record keeping of dead seems more in line with ancestral worship.

Ancestral worship is ancient, too. It was part of this worship to keep the skulls of dead ancestors on display in the home. If you will remember, this is what Rachael stole when leaving her father house with Jacob. The ancestral skulls were called teraphim.




Teraphim givers of prosperity, idols in human shape, large or small, analogous to the images of ancestors which were revered by the Romans. In order to deceive the guards sent by Saul to seize David, Michal his wife prepared one of the household teraphim, putting on it the goat's-hair cap worn by sleepers and invalids, and laid it in a bed, covering it with a mantle. She pointed it out to the soldiers, and alleged that David was confined to his bed by a sudden illness (1 Sam. 19:13-16). Thus she gained time for David's escape. It seems strange to read of teraphim, images of ancestors, preserved for superstitious purposes, being in the house of David.

www.websters-dictionary-online.org... ch#922




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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by Alethea

Originally posted by Intelearthling
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When Jesus was crucifed on the cross, He descended into a realm known to Mormons as "The Spirit Prison" or Hell as other religions would call it. He preached for 3 days to lost souls while His "ghost" was separated from His body.

Upon the third day, His spirit reunited with His body and was resurrected.



According to scripture, Jesus's last words were "It is finished". That was supposedly based on the reality of a man's dying words witnessed by many people. The supposition that Jesus still had unfinished business in going to hell to preach to the dead is a fantastic story not based on any reality that can be corroborated nor was it witnessed.


There is some firm suggestion of this by Paul and Peter. It is certainly not an idea that the Mormons came up with.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Alethea

Teraphim givers of prosperity, idols in human shape, large or small, analogous to the images of ancestors which were revered by the Romans. In order to deceive the guards sent by Saul to seize David, Michal his wife prepared one of the household teraphim, putting on it the goat's-hair cap worn by sleepers and invalids, and laid it in a bed, covering it with a mantle. She pointed it out to the soldiers, and alleged that David was confined to his bed by a sudden illness (1 Sam. 19:13-16). Thus she gained time for David's escape. It seems strange to read of teraphim, images of ancestors, preserved for superstitious purposes, being in the house of David.

www.websters-dictionary-online.org... ch#922




There is just a lot of bad info out here these days.

David was in Sauls house at the time, like the royal digs, the castle if you will. Not to mention that the turm House of David does not mean his home or the house where he lived. Its a term like say House of Winsor. Websters is just wrong here.


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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by Intelearthling

What the Catholics have perverted for centuries, the Mormons are here to clear it up. Nothing against Catholics. Just their leaders.



The Mormons are here to clear nothing up. The word Mormon means many things to me when I hear it. One is poor bible students. So much of their book from the "plates" are just whole cloth rip offs out of the bible. Not talking about a line here or there but whole sections of several chapters just lifted right out of the bible and put down in thier book. I am embarrassed for them.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by squirelnutz
reply to post by Annee
 


This is an age of Computers and Floppy Disks.. Surely it could be recovered from a fire..

I keep my back up in a fireproof safe.. Plug it in once a week, and done.. I would hope an organization such as the Mormons would be able to think of something along those lines


I don't believe I mentioned what era that happened.

My hubby is a Tech - - and I think you are being very simplistic on recovering data.

Mormons have only recently (maybe the last 20 years) been entering the hard copy data into a computer base. It is a long slow process.



And imperfect. Which is why having the original copies is so darn useful to reference back on.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 01:07 PM
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I got off topic talking about their beliefs and such. I often wondered why large texts are plagiarized from the Holy Bible.

I do know that the Mormons believe in countless Earths. They live a life that's clean and moral.

I also know, as mentioned in the thread, that these records are available to anyone regardless of their religious affiliation. If the records were sealed and held in secrecy by the church, then that may be cause for suspicion.

But with all that aside, I think it's great that family records are availasble to anyone who wishes to do a family history search.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by Yonder mountain
Anyone that lives in Utah knows that the beehive symbol is used everywhere including on the state flag, cop cars, freeway signs etc. The ostensible meaning has to do with industry but the symbol is very old and was used by the Merovingians on their coat of arms etc.






The Beehive would be a veiled reference to the multitude of the offspring of the Merovingian bloodline. Fritz Springmeier stated in The Top 13 Illuminati Bloodlines: "Family trees subdivide over the centuries until the Merovingian family tree has become a forest." He added: "Be Wise as Serpents revealed for the first time...how all the heads (presidents) of the [Latter Day Saints] and [Reformed Latter Day Saints] have been descendants of the Merovingian dynasty, and they and the Masons have both used the Merovingian symbol of the bee." (77:80) This would explain why Utah is called 'the Beehive State.' J. R. Church confirms the Mormon-Merovingian connection in Guardians of the Grail:

"The symbol of the bee is also used in Mormon temples today. The bee is the state symbol for Utah. Furthermore, Mormon doctrine teaches that Mary Magdalene was the wife of Jesus Christ. The religion of the Mormon Church of the Latter Day Saints is replete with Merovingian ideology..." - 127:82

www.angelfire.com...




posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 06:33 PM
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So if the high leaders of the church ( and who knows who else ) really believed they were monitoring the bloodline of Christ to this day would that explain the Cheyenne Mountain like facility they spent who knows how many millions on ? Conjecture but a line of thought I find really interesting.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 03:08 AM
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Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by Intelearthling

What the Catholics have perverted for centuries, the Mormons are here to clear it up. Nothing against Catholics. Just their leaders.



The Mormons are here to clear nothing up. The word Mormon means many things to me when I hear it. One is poor bible students. So much of their book from the "plates" are just whole cloth rip offs out of the bible. Not talking about a line here or there but whole sections of several chapters just lifted right out of the bible and put down in thier book. I am embarrassed for them.


Well, you're entitled to your opinion, here is Jeffrey R. Holland's

www.youtube.com...
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posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by bigrex

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by Intelearthling

What the Catholics have perverted for centuries, the Mormons are here to clear it up. Nothing against Catholics. Just their leaders.



The Mormons are here to clear nothing up. The word Mormon means many things to me when I hear it. One is poor bible students. So much of their book from the "plates" are just whole cloth rip offs out of the bible. Not talking about a line here or there but whole sections of several chapters just lifted right out of the bible and put down in thier book. I am embarrassed for them.


Well, you're entitled to your opinion, here is Jeffrey R. Holland's

www.youtube.com...
edit on 27-12-2010 by bigrex because: link change



Sorry friend thats not opinion....its a fact. And this whole idea that the Mormons represent the new church the latter day church new and seperated to set things back on the right track is also crazy. Thats not opinion thats study and research.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 09:05 AM
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I just watched this link you posted. Just have to say that many many people have died for one bad idea or another faced with the same resolve and knowing they would leave widows and orphans. It really doesnt speak to veracity. Naturaly some will say now that they knew they were going to die well I dont even believe that. The mormons have been very good at post history embellishment. They have been doing it so long that its a natural reflex to historical reporting for them. Just look at some of the main ideas of their way of doing things at the beginning that they have had to reconsider and toss out and stay relevant in the current times. Lots of fancy footwork there for them over the years. And if the death of these guys was such a testment to veracity why are some of thier early practices now tabo for the modern mormon?



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by Logarock
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I just watched this link you posted. Just have to say that many many people have died for one bad idea or another faced with the same resolve and knowing they would leave widows and orphans. It really doesnt speak to veracity. Naturaly some will say now that they knew they were going to die well I dont even believe that. The mormons have been very good at post history embellishment. They have been doing it so long that its a natural reflex to historical reporting for them. Just look at some of the main ideas of their way of doing things at the beginning that they have had to reconsider and toss out and stay relevant in the current times. Lots of fancy footwork there for them over the years. And if the death of these guys was such a testment to veracity why are some of thier early practices now tabo for the modern mormon?



Anyway, I keep religion as a matter of prayer, you can research and find any information to suit your particular fancy, pro-lds or anti, just depends on who you are willing to believe. All your contentions have been covered ad infinitum but I'm sure you would not accept the alternate research because it definitely will not suit your views.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 12:26 PM
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Maybe someone can answer a curious question for me. I wonder how far back this data base goes? What is the oldest family record in existence? Have other religions turned over records ---like old Hebrew records from the BC era? Can family trees be traced back to the "stump of Jesse"?

I really don't think it has a purpose of tracing the "line of Jesus" but that's a good cover story.

I am thinking it has more to do with perhaps tracing the line of the "Leaves of the Trees"...our Creators and the Remnant.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by bigrex

Originally posted by Logarock
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I just watched this link you posted. Just have to say that many many people have died for one bad idea or another faced with the same resolve and knowing they would leave widows and orphans. It really doesnt speak to veracity. Naturaly some will say now that they knew they were going to die well I dont even believe that. The mormons have been very good at post history embellishment. They have been doing it so long that its a natural reflex to historical reporting for them. Just look at some of the main ideas of their way of doing things at the beginning that they have had to reconsider and toss out and stay relevant in the current times. Lots of fancy footwork there for them over the years. And if the death of these guys was such a testment to veracity why are some of thier early practices now tabo for the modern mormon?



Anyway, I keep religion as a matter of prayer, you can research and find any information to suit your particular fancy, pro-lds or anti, just depends on who you are willing to believe. All your contentions have been covered ad infinitum but I'm sure you would not accept the alternate research because it definitely will not suit your views.


I did my own research without any anti-mormon books open near by or with the direction of known anti-mormon teachers. I got one of their bibles and studied it. I spent many hours talking with mormons that came to my home about every week for almost a year.

And let me tell you something I am not the sort that looks for things to back up my "fancy" or other ideas. Its much more than who one is willing to believe and frankly I dont subcribe to anyones ideas about the mormons dont even know anyone to subcribe to, I do my own figuring on what to believe based on an open minded look and study and did the favor of letting the mormons speak for themselves against it face to face.

So you keep religion as a matter of prayer oh how pious of you. Dont need to study you are getting direct feed in the mystic ozone layer. I would not pray about something like this unless it reached a point where it was hard to discern and I have never been to that point on this subject it being so plain that a bat could see it.






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