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NEW Graphic Analysis on the Videos of UFO's over KUMBURGAZ, TURKEY w/ ET Pics

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posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 12:04 AM

Originally posted by TheFonz
Can we really be alone?

We are not alone. We are here with you.

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 12:50 AM
My initial thoughts - look at the beginning (1st 4 minutes) of the video. We are conveniently given a frame of reference in luminosity and detail, the moon, by the one shooting the video. As we can see in the video, the moon shows no detail given the configuration of the camera when moved from UFO to moon; it is nothing but a luminous moon shape. From this we are also able to approximate the focal data of the camera (which cannot be set to infinity given that we have more detail from the object than from the moon, and the object is presumable closer than the moon).

So, we have some basis for rational analysis. Unfortunately, much as I'd like to learn the science of photo and video analysis, I have no knowledge in the area. However, my gut feeling is that the analysis would show the object to be much closer and smaller than we'd like to believe - in the hoax region.

We see what we want to believe we see. I learned this lesson when I saw a UFO (not my first time seeing one, but the first time was unremarkable as far as UFO sightings go). The UFO took the form of a thin (but not too thin) blue line in the sky, the line being one and a half time the diameter of the full moon at its largest. This thin blue line moved about the sky in the most remarkable ways, completely without noise. It moved from well to the south of my position to appearing to disappear to the north, over the horizon. I and several friends - all US Air Force personnel - watched this apparition for some time, and we all agreed that it was definitely not an aircraft, it moved much too fast, turned too rapidly, and didn't have any of the flight characteristics of an aircraft. I, being the UFO aficionado, was in hog heaven - this was it; this was the real deal; there is a completely unidentifiable craft in the sky conducting intelligent maneuvers (it even did some loops!) over a large town of 50k+ including a large number of military personnel; it was being filmed by two of my friends as well as countless people about town; I was at the center of history.

Needless to say, I was quite taken aback when I met the man flying the model aircraft with blue LEDs on its wings later that night, after said aircraft nearly ran into me. Up until seconds before it nearly ran into me I remained convinced that it was something "other"; only when I finally heard the sound of the electric propeller - within tens of yards - did I realize that it was, indeed, nothing but some well-designed styrofoam, some wings, a propeller, LEDs, a battery, and a hobbyist with a radio controller.

I'd like to think that I am less given to fancy and more given to reason than many people I know - but this serves to illustrate that we see what we wish to see when given with something unidentifiable. Perhaps I wish to see a hoax, but at least this time I like to think that I have some evidence on my side as well.

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Smiler74
reply to post by antibren

Come on guys...

If this is Aliens in a UFO abducting someone do you really think TPTB would allow it to be plastered all over the t'internet ??

I dont think so....

Why Not!

Theres not enough clear evidence to make it a real concern to the above anyway and hopefuly one day someone will post a clear close vid that no sceptic can debunk and by the time the flags go up it will be all over the net and media within hours or minutes.

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 02:58 AM

Originally posted by Anthony1138
anyone who wants to take footage of a ufo, please use, an HD camra. No more crappy walmart camras.

Might not hurt if you actually looked at the case and found out exactly what camera was used in this case

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 04:05 AM

Originally posted by Bob Down Under
The yacht explanation is no more i take it, I thought it was all done, dusted and debunked in the last thread by the long time sceptics here.

Now its a watch? unbelievable

Well I will go with Yacht

Originally posted by Bob Down Under
Now its a watch? unbelievable

Well it's funny how many people say it's CLEARLY' something, but each something is different.. Saw an ashtray/dish, boat, watch and many other ideas... and they all get pissy when the next 'CLEARLY IT'S THIS' comes along.

This whole thing has bugged me... the repeated sightings, the same angle of the craft, Just doesn't feel right on so many levels

What is even sadder is no one really LOOKS at something carefully before deciding...

Clips below are screen captures from above video

The 'Aliens in this one (2009 Sighting)

Credit Ventessa

Look a lot smaller than this one (2007 Sighting)

Courtesy: Haktan Akdogan via Free_spirt
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posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 05:15 AM
Welp....of course the website's server would be OFFLINE by the time I get to it.

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 06:15 PM
I'm only on page 4 of reading through this topic, but I'm going to chime in:

I definitely, 100% tend to agree that every UFO is nothing more than a misinterpreted terrestrial object, whether man-made or just plain misidentified.

With that said, I live in a coastal area of New Jersey. I grew up at the shore. I see boats, yachts, cruise ships, oil barges, fishing boats, etc, ALL THE TIME on the horizon and at night.

I have NEVER seen a boat resemble the image that's on that video. Ever. Not even remotely. I am all for this being non-UFO (not that I want it to be, you understand), but the only thing that makes this seem even plausibly a boat is its relation to the moon (seems on the horizon).

Yes, I call fowl on the "imaginative" drawings of the "occupants," but how in any way does that image (especially the morphing lights) resemble a boat?

Like I said, to me it doesn't. At all. I'm more inclined to think this is some kind of military craft over a boat of any sort.

Now I could be wrong, but it's very rare that I chime in defending something as being a true UFO, but this to me, since the beginning, has screamed "???."

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 06:21 PM
reply to post by zorgon

Zorgon, I know how respected you are around here. Challenging your post gives me chills, but:

You show resemblance to a cruise ship. The way you overlay the picture, of course there is some resemblance. The main reason I can't see this being a cruise ship is the changing light patterns. When's the last time (again, I live on the coast) you saw a cruise ship parked way out at sea, just shifting its deck lights over and over again, in a gradually fading manner?

IDK man. I just can't reconcile it being a cruise ship in my mind, and I know the difference between wanting something to be and objectively speculating what something may be.

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 06:23 PM
If I turn out to be dead wrong, I'll be the first to eat my hat.

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 06:26 PM
reply to post by zorgon

Ok you go yacht Zorgon and I will go R2D2's bum crack!

Both are just as plausible

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 06:52 PM
I have seen explanations ranging from part of a model of the Enterprise, cruise ship bridge, Cylon Raider, tubular inflatable kite (which is really a close match) and as for myself, I keep seeing pareidolia.
I look at it and I can see where all of these theories could be right.
But it changes every time I read a new theory.
I guess that's a noncommittal way of saying "I don't know."

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 07:13 PM
The yacht thing is quite possibly one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen or read in my entire life. Hahaha.

But the thing that worries me is the fact that those "Aliens" aren't moving...they are on camera for seconds at a time and they don't move at all the whole time.

posted on Dec, 16 2010 @ 10:00 PM
As people who cant backtrack
Please Dont U2U asking the same questions...
As I said before and Mario even created an account and said the same thing....
The Bandwidth was taken up on website

It will be back...
No worries...

and i just got to say...
your welcome to think yacht
but you can attribute any siting of most UFO's to having a passing resemblance to man made products


posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 04:48 AM

Originally posted by SaosinEngaged
You show resemblance to a cruise ship. The way you overlay the picture, of course there is some resemblance. The main reason I can't see this being a cruise ship is the changing light patterns.

I didn't do the overlay... it was from the video. And they also showed the angle he was viewing towards the shore, further down the beach. If you look at the four fire like lights as it gets light you will see land at the horizon, not open sea

Is it a part of a ship? I think most likely yes, Changing light colors? perhaps atmospheric effects from such a long focus, like a star twinkles multiple colors on some nights.

But the chances of an alien ship, being back at the same spot, tilted at the same angle, there years in a row? And if you do a frame by frame study of the video where it shows the opening that houses the 'aliens' it changes size.

The thing is that the lit bridge of an anchored ship IS at that exact angle... coincidence huh?

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posted on Dec, 17 2010 @ 04:59 AM

Originally posted by freelance_zenarchist
Strange, now it's not working for me.

Seems like it is a low bandwidth website... so with so many trying to access it from this thread it cuts out... You can email me a copy... I can host it if we get permission

posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 01:40 AM
I cant understand why we are all so sure of ourselves.

posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 02:39 AM
From that video:-

1) Its over 2 years old !
2) possibly something from area 51.
3) I saw no supposed "Alien Occupants" in that video.
4) Craft looked exactly like the craft in the original "War Of The Worlds" film where the alien craft is shot down and it comes out of craft near end of film.

Its strange, yes, but there again, so is politics !

We all know they are out there somewhere, so why are you all surprised when something like this comes along ?

posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 12:55 PM

Originally posted by antibren
So I found this it took me a whole while to read and im still dont really no what to think of it...
I thought I would put this to the minds here on ATS
and sponge in what yall posted about this as a few
whether crazy legit or whatever...
there is alot of content and no matter you point of view it is interesting...

SUMMARY OF THE CASE This case developed in the location of Kumburgaz between the years 2007, 2008 and 2009. Its main witness was a night guard named Yalcin Yalman, while on duty who registered on video these estrange objects that appeared at sunrise like floating or changing while in flight over the sea coast of Marmara. Yalman was able to film many video segments, some during day light accompanied by witnesses with whom he spoke to while he was filming. One singularity of this case was that de images were made with a camera that had an adaptor for close ups of 200X, achieving a great amount of details of the objects. At first, the videos were analyzed and made public by the SIRIUS UFO organization, directed by the researcher Haktan Akdogan. This case made big news in Turkey and in other countries as well. It also started a great debate between the official members of the Turkish scientific community. Specifically the NATIONAL COUNCIL FOR THE STUDY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (TUBITAK) got interested in analyzing the original footage, with the intention of determining that the video was nothing more than a hoax, gambling on the idea of scale models or toys, or CGI. The original tape was handed to the TUBITAK representatives on live TV in their own headquarters. Once the analysis concluded, they gave an official report, from which we took the following fragment: "The objects observed on the images have a structure made of a specific material and definitely itís no any kind of CGI animation or in any means a type of special effects used for simulation in a studio or for video effects. So the conclusion of this report is that the observations are not a model, maquette or a fraud". At the last part of the report, it's concluded that the objects observed have a physical structure and are made of materials that donít belong to any category (airplanes, helicopters, meteors, Venus, Mars, Satellites, artificial lights, Chinese lanterns, etc.) and that it mostly fits in the category of UFO's (Unidentified Flying Objects and of unknown origin). Other analysis were done by video specialist, image edition and special effect companies from Japan, Russia and Turky, all ending up with the same conclusions. In Chile, I ask professor José Atenas for his cooperation, expert in graphics and video edition, with more than 30 years of experience on television, to technically examine the videos. In his appreciation, José Atenas also came to the same conclusions that the images are authentic. So far nobody has been able to demonstrate that the recordings are product of tricks or some type of manipulation. Therefore, the debate has concentrated more over the nature and origin of the objects filmed by Yalcin Yalman.

Hello antibren and dear members,

I would like to invite you to take a look at my investigation theories page,
also at the top of the page is the missing link from this OP

Kind regards
Cap. Alejandro Franz

posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 01:30 PM

Originally posted by alfafox
Hello antibren and dear members,

I would like to invite you to take a look at my investigation theories page,
also at the top of the page is the missing link from this OP

Kind regards
Cap. Alejandro Franz

You make this statement on your site..

I assume you can prove this beyond a doubt?

Santiago Yturria Garza
Jaime Maussán's partner and associate
in the most shameful scammer UFO business

Santiago Yturria Garza aka free_spirit

A rancorous and frustrated embittered individual, a coward "gangster"
at Jaime Maussán's service who defamed Capt. Alejandro Franz at many
places like Radio programs, conferences, TV shows, video interviews,
and several times anonymously using many pseudonyms like free_spirit
in the forum Abovetopsecret because he was and still is incapable to
demonstrate nothing against the Oil Well Flames Theory of the famous
"UFO's" sighting of March 05, 2004 where the Mexican Air Force personnel
as the RADAR and FLIR operator's did many infamous recognition mistakes.

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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 02:25 PM

Originally posted by Wademus
well I disagree completely with the artists rendition of the ET. Where does he get off thinking they look like giant mantis's? Totally just imagination on his part, all that is visible is a head, and it looks like the time honored classic "grey" to me. Other than that, its a good take, but without having been there it is just hard to spend to much time getting excited about "UFO" sightings as we are let down time and time again.

As for motion of the head, interesting, but just looks like motion blur to me. You cant really "zoom in" on anything in a video of low resolution and expect to be able to make claims or statements. The information just isnt there to see in the first place.

Plus where are the hundreds of witnesses? You dont just "miss" things like this, dnt care who you are. Once saw a russian rocket stage reentering atmosphere as a green glow. EVERYONE, I MEAN HUNDREDS, of people stopped on the highway and pulled over to watch, lots of phones out taking pics and vids and early speculation. If something that large and unnatural appeared, people would notice. Mind you I have seen weird things in the night sky, Im not a mad debunker, just dnt like when people line up like sheep.

Besides, despite the quality of this review, was this footage not proven to be a yacht or some kind of boat that is simply out of focus YEARS AGO? Its obvious. Ever looked at a large ship waaaay out at sea? I hope this video helps

Particularly the last 1/4th of the video, where the filmer ZOOMS ALL THE WAY OUT AND IT IS CLEARLY A BOAT ON THE HORIZON

Whoever created this video, and analyzed it, and added the text to it,.... is completly delusional. Thats not a crusie ship, and looks nothing like a cruise ship. A cruise ship at night, lights up alot more than that.

And the part of the ship that you calim is in the video, is actually the area of the ship that the captain and crew drive the ship in. And at night its left dark so they can SEE OUT THE WINDOW.

And finally, the only time cruise ships anchor that close to shore is when there is an excursion where people get off the ship and go on smaller boats to take them to shore, because there is no docks for the ship to dock. And that only happens durring the day time. NEVER at night. Night time is STRICTLY reserved for traveling.

Get a clue debunker.
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