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Other Nelson Rockefeller or John Kennedy is what America really needs to go ahead now!

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posted on May, 11 2016 @ 05:28 PM
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The Peace of God to all that belong to the Light,
Dear Readers,

Reading the article that appear today published at the Detroit Free Press, One can see how deeply the current crisis of leadership has sunk paradigms that until some years ago were considered unchangeable political customs.

Every week more and more analysts support the idea that an independent not only can run right now being one of the most voted choices in November but even may win over the official nominees of the two traditional parties.

Pls Read:

www.freep.com...

In a remarkable article Gabriel Schoenfeld is giving to us 5 strong reasons to believe that the Never Trump movement can offer to America an option that even can be successful to arrive to the white house over not only him but also the eventual democratic nominee, especially if that candidate is Hillary Clinton.

1) The Style of Trump to campaign that has gained for him a non serious reputation, an evident fascination for the ridicule and appeal for violence, while the Clinton's is famous for her so changeable points of view , for her ability to lie systematically to make feel comfortable the different peoples that attend her meetings.

2) Either Trump and Clinton have been attacked from inside but also from outside, from two different political corners and many of their defects and great weaknesses are already extensively known by the public opinion

3) Trump has assured his presumptive nomination so soon, perhaps a month before his democratic adversary, that exposes him to much to the media, journalists will have a lot of time to throw their darts on him and discover his secrets.

4) Trump decision to don't disclose his Tax return is boosting critics everywhere as well as feeding suspicions of lack of honesty. In the same way the insistence of Clinton to ignore or minimize the FBI investigation against her or her visible mistakes in the State Secretary has reduced dramatically her credibility.

5) The lack of substance of proposals, more unrealistic that never before, like who is going to believe that the current national debt can be paid by one single President in a maximum time span of two terms? something anybody knows it is not reachable even in the next 50 years.

I think this article is a valuable piece of journalism that payoff to be read and to be deeply meditated.

Now, it is good remember that contrary to what is the popular idea America certainly has had in the past independent Presidents, that were never affiliated to any of the two great Parties we have now:

- George Washington, who defined himself as above any partisan politics.

- James Monroe, who defined himself as a democratic republican.

- Millard Filmore, who was the last non Republican or Democrat to become president.

You could also argue that John Tyler and Andrew Johnson were not really affiliated with a party while they were in office.

Please check:
Who was the last independent president of the US?

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness
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posted on May, 11 2016 @ 08:04 PM
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a reply to: The angel of light
You forgot Abraham Lincoln (a Republican); but had to run as an Independent on a third party "Union" Ticket; Andrew Johnson was his VP (Democrat). Why not mention the two Roosevelt's as better leaders than the Rockefeller's. They were actually sitting Presidents. One was a Democrat, the other a Republican.
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posted on May, 11 2016 @ 08:45 PM
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a reply to: vethumanbeing

Dear vethumanbeing:

Well, Yes, the idea of a third or an independent President is not new, and it has important historic precedents, when politicians were able to see above partisan divisions and think in great for the good of the nation.

Now, it seems we are arriving to a privileged moment in American politics, many want to see it as dramatically critical, but maybe that is just resistance to change, it is also interesting to remark that every crisis usually is the door of important changes, the closing of one era to begin a new one.

There is no doubt that the center in politics has lived since long time ago, there were also historic dissidences from one party to the other, like:

- when the progressive Party split from the republicans and then about 20 years later merged into the Democratic Party, a third party that while was in existence was leaded by Theodore Roosevelt.

- The conservative Democratics split from their original party in 1965 to move into the Republican one, leaded by the governor of Texas John Connally, the same that was shot with JFK and became after that Secretary and almost VP when Spiro Agnew resigned in 1973 during the Nixon second term.

Rockefeller never became President but he was the leader of the only no conservative faction of the Republicans after WWII ,an outstanding governor of New York and also a brilliant Vice-President of Gerald Ford, and probably his absence in the Republican ticket of 1976 determined that Ford remains with the record of to be the only President never elected.

Now, there are rumors that possibly Donald Trump may consider a democratic runner mate, something that will be Historic, if it happens, but for now we can remain optimistic that his rivals are deciding to launch a third candidate that will give air to the Election.

Thanks for your interesting reply,

The Angel of Lightness





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posted on May, 12 2016 @ 09:59 PM
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originally posted by: The angel of light
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Dear vethumanbeing: Well, Yes, the idea of a third or an independent President is not new, and it has important historic precedents, when politicians were able to see above partisan divisions and think in great for the good of the nation.
Now, it seems we are arriving to a privileged moment in American politics, many want to see it as dramatically critical, but maybe that is just resistance to change, it is also interesting to remark that every crisis usually is the door of important changes, the closing of one era to begin a new one.

This time period seems epic compared to say the last 40 or so years of complacency; .gov run wild with spending (growing itself) into unmanageable black holes of over sight; regulations to commit to organized factions we pay for. This government needs to stop drinking the free whiskey (exercise some restraint) and loose some weight.

The angel of light; There is no doubt that the center in politics has lived since long time ago, there were also historic dissidences from one party to the other, like:

- when the progressive Party split from the republicans and then about 20 years later merged into the Democratic Party, a third party that while was in existence was leaded by Theodore Roosevelt.

- The conservative Democratics split from their original party in 196hTe record of to be the only President never elected.

None of this has bearing on the current election process. Neither candidate or the GOP/RNC is bringing any valid pertinent history into this election cycle equation. You know this as well as is a different decade with another set of problems that may resonate with those 3 election cycles earlier (Clinton or Bush) first voters; if not so disillusioned in this government do not care anymore. How can you say new voters are actually looking at historical trends when most of them cannot name 6 past presidents.

The angel of lightness: Now, there are rumors that possibly Donald Trump may consider a democratic runner mate, something that will be Historic, if it happens, but for now we can remain optimistic that his rivals are deciding to launch a third candidate that will give air to the Election. Thanks for your interesting reply, The Angel of Lightness

Trump could choose a Libertarian; Rand Paul or Bernie Sanders. No one is going to give the election to Hillary by running on a third party ticket (Lincoln the last one). Sanders has stated he will not run on a Hillary ticket as the VP; he is a Libertarian; (as is Trump BTW) and what would happen if that was the populist dream ticket? Trump/Sanders? (a runaway train) the establishment politicians would like to derail.


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posted on May, 13 2016 @ 12:51 PM
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Well, certainly there are huge differences in what it was the way to do politics in 1960s or 1970s and today, the people was several times more exigent in the past to approve or disapprove a political figure, it seems the standards to test quality among the candidates have descended dramatically.

There were anyway scandals like Watergate, but it was so difficult to find people that has committed besides corruption acts also evident negligence in public offices and still wanting to go upward in Politics!!.

Nixon was definitively corrupt , there is no doubt on that, also Johnson, but none of them were ever caught with all the evidences in fragranti showing that they were negligent in previous commissions. They never did something like to ignore, underestimate and even don't respond the call of help of an Ambassador of the USA in danger until he became brutally killed, or support irresponsibly a sequence of coup d'états and abandon a so loyal, strategic and important ally as Hosni Mubarak to be devoured by fanatics as it is the case of Hillary Clinton.

Lyndon Johnson was extremely efficient working during the Eisenhower and Kennedy Administrations in to design what later become the American space program, NASA has a great debt with him. Nixon was a very dynamic and efficient Vice President during 1950s.

Neither Nixon ,or Johnson, that frequently are cited among the most corrupt politicians to arrive to the Presidency committed along decades as large sequence of violations like conflict of interests, bribery, racketeering, perjury and cronyism in a so open and systematic way as now it is reported by the media has occurred with both Clintons for decades.

Nixon was really embarrassed and shocked when there were accusations against him to have taken money donated to his campaign, in 1953. he faced them instead to ignore or minimize them.

www.youtube.com...

There is only one similar precedent in American History, Spiro Agnew, who was investigated in 1973 by the US Attorney for the District of Maryland on charges of extortion, tax fraud, bribery, and conspiracy. He was charged of bribery for more than 100000 committed in 3 public offices Baltimore County Executive, Governor of Maryland, and Vice President, but finally he was allowed to plead no contest to a single charge that he had failed to report $29,500 of income received in 1967, conditioned that he resign the Vice Presidency.

I am appalled of to see almost every week a new scandal appearing in the vita of Hillary, they surpass 20 scandals in the row along her entire life, a person like that would not run even for Major of a principal city or Governor anymore in 1960s or 1970s, but we see her trying to arrive again to the Oval office now.

Pls check:
www.youtube.com...

It is True that Johnson was elected fraudulently to the Congress of Texas or that Nixon prosecuted infamously people of to be communist plotters when that was not the case, as in the Hiss scandal, but they are still so much back in dirty statistics as what we are seeing now.

Bernie Sanders is quite correct when he warns today that it would be a disaster if the Democratic Party nominates Hillary Clinton, she is going to sink the prestige of that party perhaps for ever.

America learnt with Richard Nixon a so painful lesson that is not good to forgive to many scandals in the life of a politician, opening to him or her a path to power, since when somebody is corrupt in modest offices is not going to improve with more authority in his or her hands.

gosporttimes.com...

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness
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posted on May, 13 2016 @ 12:55 PM
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Nice OP, but..........from my experience, only followers need leaders.

The US doesn't need any leaders, it needs for the Government to get out of the way of progress.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: TonyS

Dear TonyS,

Well, that is what is called the Anarchist paradigm, I respectfully disagree, let me please explain you why. There will be always leaders and followers for the simple reason that they need each one the others, they can't live, progress or reach success without the others.

I think to suppress political leaders is like to think that you can control traffic accidents better in the intersection of avenues in a great city if you remove all traffic lights and police agents expecting that the drivers will respect each one the other and create an order spontaneously to circulate all.

A society need to have referees, it is important to have somebody with great moral qualifications that look for the common good in the middle of the heavy traffic and avoid the collisions of thousands of individual goals and particular interests, otherwise the world would be a jungle, under brutality, chaos and violence, the rule of the strongest ones devouring the weak ones.

A nation organized on the base of individual rights must have laws and authorities that survey constantly if the are people abusing of others, if there is people committing systematically crimes over others.

A Leader is the one that is able to arrange the people like in a great team pushing all together in the same direction, since if that is not the case the boat is not going to move in any direction by the way.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness




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posted on Jun, 10 2016 @ 08:29 PM
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The Peace of God to all that belong to the Light,
Dear Readers,

We have seeing during the last week a carefully designed political conspiracy in both parties to try to hide the terrible decadent profile of their presumptive nominees and make the people believe that we are living a perfectly normal election and that everybody must vote primarily for the party of their sympathies in November.

President Barack Obama has decided to endorse publicly Hillary Clinton, in a clear attempt to make Senator Bernie Sanders to drop off, the pressure has been so much high to try to cut the debate and the only real alternative in the Democratic side to have a valid candidate with no ethical issues running for the White house.

www.theepochtimes.com...


Senator Bernie Sanders:
“It is unbelievable to me, and I say this in all sincerity, that the Republican Party would have a candidate for president who in the year 2016 makes bigotry and discrimination the cornerstone of his campaign. In my view, the American people will not vote for or tolerate a candidate who insults Mexicans and Latinos, who insults Muslims, who insults African-Americans and women,” ... “I will of course, be competing in the D.C. primary, which will be held next Tuesday,”


Bernie Sanders has a rally scheduled to happen in D.C. Thursday night, June 9.

Also in the Republican side we have seen the Speaker of the House Paul Ryan endorsing publicly Donald Trump although he criticized him along weeks for his clear preference for bigotry as a political strategy, so he has literally already sold his soul to devil.

www.washingtonpost.com...


Paul Ryan: It’s a question of how to move ahead on the ideas that I—and my House colleagues—have invested so much in through the years. It’s not just a choice of two people, but of two visions for America,” Ryan wrote, citing the “bold” policy agenda that he will begin rolling out next week and contrasting that with Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton’s platform. “Donald Trump can help us make it a reality,” Ryan said.


Fortunately there is still a lot of popular support for Sanders in the streets, a lot of people that are encouraging him to don't surrender, to continue in what he has called a political revolution to try to clean politics of all the corruption that for years have produced the kind of bizarre leaders we are seeing.

Today the former Speaker of the house, in times of Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich has declared to the press that he is convinced Sanders is not dropping off since at this point of the election there are many indicators that the FBI probe will not favored Clinton, To the contrary will probably send her to a legal limbo.

theweek.com...


Newt Gingrich: "First of all, if I were Bernie and I think this is what he's doing, why should he drop out before the FBI drops out?" Gingrich said. "As long as the FBI is in the game he might as well stay around at least until convention."


Also in the Republican side we saw today the brave defense of his position of Mit Romney, who has openly expressed that under no circumstance he will support Donald Trump as Nominee.


Mitt Romney, June 10th 2016, "I don't want to see trickle-down racism," .. "I don't want to see a president of the United States saying things which change the character of the generations of Americans that are following. Presidents have an impact on the nature of our nation, and trickle-down racism, trickle-down bigotry, trickle-down misogyny, all these things are extraordinarily dangerous to the heart and character of America."


www.cnn.com...


Mitt Romney: There’s NOTHING Trump can do that would make me ENDORSE him!



Read more: therightscoop.com...

Paul Ryan has experienced a difficult day since he has received indirectly a really strong critic from who was his political boss and runner mate in the 2012 election, Mitt Romney.

Again my advice to all who are reading these post and that love this country and have faith that we can have better choices than these two so mediocre leaders is to support the movement of the third Party , the libertarian one, or support Bernie Sanders in his great fight to determine what is going to be the scenario if the Indictment of Clinton arrives.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness
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