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posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 04:00 PM
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A true patriot recognizes the importance of freedom of religion and freedom of speech, above all else. Anything less is an imitation, regardless of what church to which you belong.




posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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According to Jim Shaw, former 33rd degree Mason, who officially resigned from Masonry, after becoming a Christian and studying the Bible, as he wrote in Deadly Deception: "there is underlying all Masonic thinking and writing, an attitude and spirit of elitism which says, "Masonry is not for everyone, just for the select few." At the same time Masonry teaches it is the only true religion and that all other religions are but corrupted and perverted forms of Masonry.

This is both elitist and contradictory, in that it leaves no hope for the non-elite to ever be able to find the "true religion." Freemasonry proudly proclaims it makes good men better; but this leaves no provision for bad men to ever be able to become good." He continues: "It is significant, I think, that those whom Masonry rejects and excludes are the very ones Jesus sought out to accept and minister to:



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by mydarkpassenger
Actually, in the first settlement at Jamestown, VA (Plymouth Rock MASS would be twenty years later) our forefathers came here with the idea that there was huge wealth to be made. The "gentlemen" and the dandys soon died off due to disease, indians, and climate.

What was left were a tough bunch of SOBs, realists, not religious fanatics and refugees.


Yikes, I must have been sick that day in third grade. Let's see, the Jamestown settlers included a metrosexual contingency who were killed because they were off shopping for curtains and shelf liner, rather than hunting, fishing and tossing their empty beer cans down by the crick? Who knew?



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 04:13 PM
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The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.
1. That there is one only God, and he all perfect.
2, That there is a future state of rewards and punishments.
3. That to love God with all thy heart and thy neighbor as thyself, is the sum of religion.
These are the great points on which he endeavored to reform the religion of the Jews. But compare with these the demoralizing dogmas of Calvin.
1. That there are three Gods.
2. That good works, or the love of our neighbor, are nothing.
3. That faith is every thing, and the more incomprehensible the proposition, the more merit in its faith.
4. That reason in religion is of unlawful use.
5. That God, from the beginning, elected certain individuals to be saved, and certain others to be damned; and that no crimes of the former can damn them; no virtues of the latter save.
Now, which of these is the true and charitable Christian? He who believes and acts on the simple doctrines of Jesus? Or the impious dogmatists, as Athanasius and Calvin? Verily I say these are the false shepherds foretold as to enter not by the door into the sheepfold, but to climb up some other way. They are mere usurpers of the Christian name, teaching a counter-religion made up of the deliria of crazy imaginations, as foreign from Christianity as is that of Mahomet. Their blasphemies have driven thinking men into infidelity, who have too hastily rejected the supposed author himself, with the horrors so falsely imputed to him. Had the doctrines of Jesus been preached always as pure as they came from his lips, the whole civilized world would now have been Christian. I rejoice that in this blessed country of free inquiry and belief, which has surrendered its creed and conscience to neither kings nor priests, the genuine doctrine of one only God is reviving, and I trust that there is not a young man now living in the United States who will not die an Unitarian.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Benjamin Waterhouse, (26 June 1822), published in The Works of Thomas Jefferson in Twelve Volumes, Federal Edition, Paul Leicester Ford, ed., New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1904, Vol. 12, pp. 241–243.
Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to me so pure as that of Jesus. He who follows this steadily need not, I think, be uneasy, although he cannot comprehend the subtleties and mysteries erected on his doctrines by those who, calling themselves his special followers and favorites, would make him come into the world to lay snares for all understandings but theirs. These metaphysical heads, usurping the judgment seat of God, denounce as his enemies all who cannot perceive the Geometrical logic of Euclid in the demonstrations of St. Athanasius., that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three nor the three one.
Letter to William Canby (18 September 1813).
I believe this man was a Christian.
The true meaning of the word.



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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My question is, why struggle all your life to fit the definition of a word? We each are far greater than this, you must allow yourself to create yourself, don't allow others to create you! Realise the limits of words, strive not to apply them to everything, they will only prevent true understanding, for the truth can only exist outside of language.



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 04:25 PM
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I would suggest that all Christians could be great patriots, but not all Patriots would necessarily be Christians.

The trick here is in what is valued by each group, and as has been shown since our Independence, most of those values overlap considerably.



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 04:44 PM
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My aims are at evilness, whatever fashion.......All religions.can be patriots...all colors... .. ...All the peoples of this earth need a faith..in ur lifetime, u will need it !!!.. There will be bad times...U cant turn to Lucifer on ur death bed, OR can U ???..he damn sure want help u !!



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 05:01 PM
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With the bloody history of christianity - both past and present.. I find that more frightening than any islamic state.. There are very valid reasons why separation of church and state were written into the constitution when the u.s was founded.. The founding fathers were fully aware of the dangers of a theocracy.. Tbh the christians and the way they shove their religion on others was one of the reasons I left the u.s back in 80..



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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Christians are not patriots. Most of the founding fathers were Deists. Including Thomas Jefferson who wrote the Declaration of Independence which is a Deist document. Get your facts straight. Christians are nothing more than stuck-up bullies. And no American lives anywhere close to how a Christian should so that makes them hypocrites too.



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 05:37 PM
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That statement is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever heard in my life.

And Christians wonder why non-Christians despise the death-cult known as Christianity.

I am truly disgusted with that ATS member.



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 05:40 PM
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I personally am a Christian and consider my self a patriot.

That being said, the majority of Christians are blind to what is going on in this world, or they take one or two passages in the bible as a way to just sit back and let our government take all there rights.

A patriot is made up of all races, religions, and genders.

Not every person who has fought for freedom in any Revolution were "Christians".



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 05:43 PM
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Geez. I guess my whole post by Thomas Jefferson was in vain...



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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I agree! A marriage between church and state would be truly a Frankenstein one.

Tripped over this poem today, haven't seen it in a while. But it's a good one.



My God’s Better Than Your God



My god’s better than your god,
My special book tells me so,
It tells me how to think, who to love,
And how my life should go.

My god’s better than your god,
He waits only for me,
Your name’s not on his list,
You are my enemy.

My god’s better than your god,
His book is filled with truth,
Your book’s all wrong you see,
I have all the proof.

My god’s better than your god,
His ways are just and right,
His laws are like a roadmap,
That guide me to the light.

My god’s better than your god,
Yours is weird and wrong,
I have never heard of him,
And he’s been around too long.

My god’s better than your god,
He’s all shiny and real,
Your god belongs in hell,
He’s not the real deal.

My god’s better than your god,
Cause he’s without sin,
You’re a heathen non-believer,
Not good enough for him.

My god’s better than your god,
Yours has a silly name,
And your book is stupid,
Really dumb and lame.

I will go to heaven,
Cause I’m better than you,
I can do anything,
I’m amongst the chosen few…
…Cause my god’s better than your god,
You have to say its true,
Cause if you don’t,
My god will come,
And make you suffer till you do.


www.tinalouise.co.uk...




posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 05:59 PM
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reply to post by soficrow
 


This is the very reason I posted Thomas Jefferson's own words



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 06:20 PM
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reply to post by suigeneris
 


Could you re-post your Jefferson quote please (as a reply to me)?

I want to review but out of time, have to log out for a while.

Thanks, sofi



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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On Patriotism

Nationalism is our form of incest, is our idolatry, is our insanity. ''Patriotism'' is its cult. It should hardly be necessary to say, that by ''patriotism'' I mean that attitude which puts the own nation above humanity, above the principles of truth and justice; not the loving interest in one's own nation, which is the concern with the nation's spiritual as much as with its material welfare --never with its power over other nations. Just as love for one individual which excludes the love for others is not love, love for one's country which is not part of one's love for humanity is not love, but idolatrous worship.
~ Erich Fromm, American Psychologist



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 06:31 PM
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You would have to define Christian.

I am a Christian Deist and since i was excommunicated from my last church i have been a member of not church and the only time i go in a church is for weddings and funerals(at my age its mostly funerals.

98% of the people on ATS could not even give me the correct definition of what a Christian Deist is much less give a correct philosophy and principles of there own church.

Deism was the religion of a number of the founding fathers of the US.

Organized religion is corrupt and now a way being used to control people.

Just live in some small towns in the south like texas.
The local baptist church is always trying to control everything.

If you have a beard they don't like you. same with long hair on males.
If you are not a baptist but some other religion they use there power to control you.

The school system in Texas is controlled by the churches.

I even had one lady in one town tell me she was going to get me run out of town.
The rest of the guys at the towns volunteer fire and ambulance department i was a member of got a laugh out of that.

So you have to define Christian to make the statement "True Patriots Are Christians"



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by DontProbeMeBro
reply to post by hotbakedtater
 


That statement is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever heard in my life.

And Christians wonder why non-Christians despise the death-cult known as Christianity.

I am truly disgusted with that ATS member.

Your statement isn't much better, given it's lack of understanding, hatred, and ignorance.



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 06:34 PM
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reply to post by soficrow
 


The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.
1. That there is one only God, and he all perfect.
2, That there is a future state of rewards and punishments.
3. That to love God with all thy heart and thy neighbor as thyself, is the sum of religion.
These are the great points on which he endeavored to reform the religion of the Jews. But compare with these the demoralizing dogmas of Calvin.
1. That there are three Gods.
2. That good works, or the love of our neighbor, are nothing.
3. That faith is every thing, and the more incomprehensible the proposition, the more merit in its faith.
4. That reason in religion is of unlawful use.
5. That God, from the beginning, elected certain individuals to be saved, and certain others to be damned; and that no crimes of the former can damn them; no virtues of the latter save.
Now, which of these is the true and charitable Christian? He who believes and acts on the simple doctrines of Jesus? Or the impious dogmatists, as Athanasius and Calvin? Verily I say these are the false shepherds foretold as to enter not by the door into the sheepfold, but to climb up some other way. They are mere usurpers of the Christian name, teaching a counter-religion made up of the deliria of crazy imaginations, as foreign from Christianity as is that of Mahomet. Their blasphemies have driven thinking men into infidelity, who have too hastily rejected the supposed author himself, with the horrors so falsely imputed to him. Had the doctrines of Jesus been preached always as pure as they came from his lips, the whole civilized world would now have been Christian. I rejoice that in this blessed country of free inquiry and belief, which has surrendered its creed and conscience to neither kings nor priests, the genuine doctrine of one only God is reviving, and I trust that there is not a young man now living in the United States who will not die an Unitarian.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Benjamin Waterhouse, (26 June 1822), published in The Works of Thomas Jefferson in Twelve Volumes, Federal Edition, Paul Leicester Ford, ed., New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1904, Vol. 12, pp. 241–243.
Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to me so pure as that of Jesus. He who follows this steadily need not, I think, be uneasy, although he cannot comprehend the subtleties and mysteries erected on his doctrines by those who, calling themselves his special followers and favorites, would make him come into the world to lay snares for all understandings but theirs. These metaphysical heads, usurping the judgment seat of God, denounce as his enemies all who cannot perceive the Geometrical logic of Euclid in the demonstrations of St. Athanasius., that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three nor the three one.
Letter to William Canby (18 September 1813).
I believe this man was a Christian.
The true meaning of the word.


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posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 06:41 PM
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I would like to point you to Jefferson's book on Jesus Christ's words. It is an amazing thing. He took out all of the "miracles" and only included the words of Jesus Christ himself.(and the needed history)

This is my belief and I believe a TRUE Christian believes the same way. Is this not the meaning of Christian?

en.wikipedia.org...

www.beliefnet.com...





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