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The degradation of political thought

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posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 05:51 AM
“Is this another one of those awful preachy ATS topics where you tell me how enlightened you are and how ‘awake’ you are?”

No that is not what this thread is about. I shall not claim to be of any higher enlightenment than any of you nor will I claim to be any more ‘awake’ than the rest of you. This is not a political rant on how tptb are keeping us suppressed, it is not a WikiLeaks thread, it is not a TSA thread, but this thread is about the degradation of political thought occurring daily on AboveTopSecret and elsewhere in our world.

Forget the entire Left-Right thing for a moment here. Forget the labels and which side you are on or not on. That is not what this is about. What this is about is the consistent use of words that are short and easy to understand. Words that can be flung around like feces in a monkey’s cage, these words appear to many people to be not much of a big deal but over a sustained period of time using a word in its inaccurate form the word begins to expand into new meanings.

For decades the term ‘Fascist’ was thrown around to label people such as President Bush, the Republican Party, Christians, Catholic Church, Socialists, Liberals, Conservatives, basically anyone you do not particularly like just call them a Fascist! The same goes for the word Nazi which has been used in an improper form for so long its true meaning is becoming nearly irrelevant to the human cycle of thought. These words when used improperly are simply designed for division and are the last ditch resort for anyone who has no intelligent form of debate.

There is a long list of words that are taken out of context in political arguments:

Islamic Extremist

These words are no better than scapegoating a person or group of persons for their ethnicity, gender, religion, or politics. Nothing constructive has ever come out of such a preposterous sentence as an example demonstrated below:

“I hate Barack Obama because he is a Fascist Muslim terrorist who wants to destroy America.”


“How can you support Israel? Anyone who supports Israel is a Zionist!”

In what way are those examples constructive in any debate or discussion? Before you continue preaching words of ignorance I recommend you just do a quick search on Google, Bing, Yahoo, or whatever search engine you want and type in the definition of that word you know is only used for political division. I will even provide a link for you right now to come back in reference to at the bottom of this OP.

The point of this thread is to learn that particular words can eventually become skewed from their original meaning and thus lose its true and hard-hitting purpose. It is basically like the story of the ‘Boy who Cried Wolf’, you are crying wolf when using these words out of context. If you want to argue that “well Obama is a Socialist” and you researched what the word means I do ask you to instead of just throwing out one word explain your reasoning without using the word. This will not only preserve the word for its official use but it will show that you are more intelligent than if you throw around words that might not fit some persons true definition.

posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 06:59 AM
You forget my favourite "anti-American". It's something like communist, socialist, Stalinist, Maoist, fascist, Nazi and vegetarian all combined into one word (well, two) as an ultimate weapon against intelligent debate about US politics and policies.
I try not to meddle in ATS debates because they look exactly as you nicely described it, monkeys throwing faeces in a cage. Although, I've seen that barbaric "godlike productions" site with unmoderated discussions that caused me a week long diarrhoea
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posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 07:28 AM
The merger of state and corporate powers is "fascism", hence wall street takeover of washington is "fascism".

posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 10:01 AM
reply to post by Misoir

but this thread is about the degradation of political thought occurring daily on AboveTopSecret and elsewhere in our world.

From my perspective, when you have hard wired ideological minds; thought and logic fall by the wayside. However if we can keep the discourse polite and respectful, we might be able to have a much nicer time of it; but we both know that in reality "that's not gonna happen"

And it's not just political thought that has degraded, it's cognition in general. As I listen to the conversations at the gym while people are just BSing in the jucuzzi, I feel like a stranger in a strange land.

Even with ATS and it's flaws; it's still a place of refuge.

posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 10:07 AM
reply to post by Misoir

"Abuse of words has been the great instrument of sophistry and chicanery of party faction and division of society."
-John Adams

Unfortunately this is an age old practice. Just so people have an understanding of what the above says I have provided a few definitions. Words such as sophistry and chicanery are not part of our everyday vocabulary.

Sophistry: subtly deceptive reasoning or argumentation.
Chicanery: deception by artful subterfuge or sophistry.

I do not know of any better understanding of the abuses our politicians, the media and ourselves have undertaken by willfully abusing words for gain in argument and debate.

posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 10:07 AM
Great post.

Problem is that patriot and dissident are fossils discovered every now and again.


posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 06:24 PM
reply to post by Misoir

You forgot everybody's favorite weasel word: Anti-Semite.

The funny thing about this is that just about everyone who comes from the Middle-East is a member of a Semetic race. So even if you are against the Muslem terrorists, you are technically an Anti-Semite.

Ancient Semitic peoples

Approximate distribution of Semitic language around 1 A.D.The following is a list of ancient Semitic peoples.

Akkadians — migrated into Mesopotamia in the late 4th millennium BC and amalgamate with non-Semitic Mesopotamian (Sumerian) populations into the Assyrians and Babylonians of the Late Bronze Age.[4][5] The remnants of these people became the modern Assyrians and Mandeans.
Eblaites — 23rd century BC
Aramaeans or Chaldea — 16th to 8th century BC[6] / Akhlames (Ahlamu) 14th century BC[7]
Ugarites, 14th to 12th centuries BC
Canaanite language speaking nations of the early Iron Age:
Hebrews/Israelites — founded the nation of Israel which later split into the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah. The remnants of these people became the Jews and the Samaritans.
Phoenicians — founded Mediterranean colonies including Carthage
Old South Arabian speaking peoples
Sabaeans of Yemen — 9th to 1st c. BC
Ethio-Semitic speaking peoples
Aksumites — 4th c. BC to 7th c. AD
Arabs, Old North Arabian speaking Bedouins
Gindibu's Arabs 9th c. BC
Lihyanites — 6th to 1st c. BC
Thamud people — 2nd to 5th c. AD
Ghassanids — 3rd to 7th c. AD
Nabataeans — adopted Arabic in the 4th century AD


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