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The Conspiracy to Deny the Spirit

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posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by Jerry_Teps

Originally posted by kallisti36
JWs and Mormons who have immensely erroneous teachings


Oh the irony, do you not see the hypocrisy in this statement?
Not at all. They are Christians, but the Mormons believe in millions of gods and that you become the god of a planet after death and JW's believe Yeshuah is Michael the Archangel and deny 80% of their history because of false prophecies. From a non-Christian perspective, this is hypocritical because I would be wrong too. I am arguing from a Christian perspective. I love Mormons, they are the nicest people ever, I almost became one. I never thought twice of being a JW because of how they operate, but I admire their commitment. I have no ill will towards them or anyone of any religion that doesn't want to kill or forcibly convert me. I have no problem with Athiests either, as long as they aren't rude. The only people I have a problem with are those who would seek to smother your spirit.




posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by Jadette
For crying out loud, I get so tired of the word 'conspiracy' being used as an excuse for bible thumping. Please, at least keep this in the RELIGIOUS conspiracy forum. Why oh why the fantatic come to a UFO site to talk about their own personal relationship with jesus and try and save us all, I will never understand.

>>> try and save us all

I posted this here because the supression of the spirit is something we are subjected to day by day. I did this from a Christian stance because I am Christian. Also, if I posted this in the religious forum, I would be "preaching to the choir" and people like you never would have read it. Also, I'm not Bible thumping. Bible thumpers will tell you that you are going to hell. I didn't have time to explain that unless you accept Yeshuah as your savior, you are going to Sheol with whatever soul you have (the more you've nurtured it, the more you'll be) and will have to face the Judgement under the law, while Christians get somewhat of a pardon from the Judgement.



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
 

Well then I must be your antithesis. Sorry to say you wasted your life, but I think you have.


I've achieved results. I've explored inner space, the human consciousness and soul and I have experienced things that would drive most people insane because they have no real comprehension of what we really are. That is what religion is. It is designed so you are told what you are, so you will not even bother to explore for yourself and you will just give up your soul for an organization and its agenda.


Jesus has not let me down yet and I have no doubt he ever will.


What does Jesus have to do with you? He died around 2000 years ago. To say he lives on, is to say that everyone else who has lived and died also live on too, but where is your worship for them?

You know what my worship for the dead is? To understand that every single human that has lived and died has contributed to the current world that I live in. Jesus is but one of billions, and I seriously doubt he would understand why people would worship him out of everyone else with a body, mind and soul.



So yea, hope you did not waste your life to "feel" something by climbing a mountain.


Try climbing a mountain yourself, by yourself, and get back to me on that. It's not god that helps you climb that mountain, it's you and it will be nature itself that you should appreciate at the top, for it was nature who place this test upon you of which you've proven yourself worthy.


All this silliness with religion is just plain boring. From how I've lived, God just wants a thanks for giving you stuff. And faith for knowing where it came from, and knowing that you're not going to die because he gave a part of yourself to make you anew.

Seems pretty simple to me.


Newsflash: It wasn't God who did anything. He is imagined, created and designed by people who want you to ignore nature and what nature has given you. People who believe in God see god as human (which in itself is ridiculous), and therefore justify their own actions when they engineer nature, because they want to be just like God. Engineering nature has done nothing but bring us great suffering, yet where is the understanding of nature these days? It is highly suppressed as some pegan belief.

To understand the infinite power and expanse of nature, all one has to do is go out into nature alone with an open mind. We are not the product of some divine entity; we are all composed of chemicals, shaped by the elements. Earth itself has shaped us, not God.

Another characteristic of monotheism is to make us believe that Earth is the only place in the universe, when it fact it is barely anything. If we were not hindered by the concept of God creating us only on this planet, then we would already be colonizing space. God is a plague of the mind, and an opiate of the masses.



posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 11:29 PM
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3) Jesus..well, the story of Jesus, was not a fan of religion. He disrupted it, it was annoyed by it...if you want to be christlike, then do as he did..aka, toss out religion in favor of a personal connection to what you call "the godhead".

or is Paul the new christ?



As a gnostic, I agree with you completely on this point. I'm no proponent of atheism by any stretch though.

Things in the "post jesus" church i cant stand are the sterilization of Mother Mary and the feminisation of Jesus.

The feminisation of JC (imho) was to help keep the plebes in line and be obedient.
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posted on Dec, 12 2010 @ 11:37 PM
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Oh man, now I really am your antithesis. You assumed a lot there.

The achievements you've listed could easily be said to be a dream. What part of it takes part in the real world? I've done all that stuff from projection to seeing alien worlds to visiting places in time, etc etc. It could all have been a dream though. It's just experience. Dreams are good for that. Insane? I once died in a dream. I had nothing. No eyes, no ears, nothing. No input. I certainly can testify to insanity being a possible derived result from that experience. I was so shocked when I finally woke up that I was about a foot above my bed. I'd pulsated all my muscles and flung myself into the air when I woke up. Cannot describe in words what it is like to be a mind with no input. It really is another world. But that was God letting me know what it's like, as I'd asked that very action to occur so I would know.

Jesus died for my sins. That's enough. And no, not everyone has done something for you in that world. There are billions of people who lived between 250,000 years ago to 10,000 years ago who contributed nothing more than continuing the species existence. They did not contribute, they did not help. They stabbed a dear and eat it so that the next dude could be born. Of those billions maybe a few hundred drew the cave paintings you know and love today. Most of them were probably off killing and raping Neanderthals or something. I'd say Jesus has a lot more over them if nothing else. Oh, and yea, I do believe all the dead continue on living. That's part of my faith.

Climbed one with my dad once. But I was so far ahead I might as well have climbed it myself. What did I see when I got to the top? Blue sky, green trees, and gray mountains. I do not find these things beautiful. When I saw the mountains I saw its tectonic history. When I saw the trees I saw photosynthesis and maybe some good food. When I saw the lakes and the sky, I thought of water molecules. But I did not find that beautiful. I found it to be machines. Machines doing as they evolved to do. Mechanisms of creation set forth to erode, destroy, create, and do stuff. What is nature? Nature is death. That is what it is. It destroys. Any act of nature is destruction. Even its creation through evolution is via the destruction of life before it. It's not pretty. It's vicious and yet another machine.

I do not think God is imagined. I love science. I love space. I think its the idea that God made all that that is motivating me to desire to get rich so I can make a space ship and go out and see it. Sorry, God does not affect weather man gets off this rock or not. God is simply there. Mankind's movement from this world to another is entirely alien to God and of mankind's responsibility. And last time I checked, a lot of Christians are angry at Obama for cutting funding to NASA, me included.

My religion does not teach that Earth is alone. Why it says right in Genesis that creatures came to Earth before and after the flood. Jesus teaches that he came to THIS world, implying there are others, more than this one alone. Jesus is perhaps the best documented alien based on what he said to Pontious Pilot. Pretty much his whole talk with the guy was like it was right out of an area 51 interview with an alien. but I don't think Jesus is an alien. I know he is not from Earth, but rather beyond, but that does not make him an extra terrestrial.

SO yea, thanks for assuming a whole bunch of total crap about me. And here was me saying you are absolutely wrong. have fun rethinking your assumptions of people. I hope I can reinforce the fact that you've basically wasted your life down the wrong path. Toodles.



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by felonius



3) Jesus..well, the story of Jesus, was not a fan of religion. He disrupted it, it was annoyed by it...if you want to be christlike, then do as he did..aka, toss out religion in favor of a personal connection to what you call "the godhead".

or is Paul the new christ?



As a gnostic, I agree with you completely on this point. I'm no proponent of atheism by any stretch though.

Things in the "post jesus" church i cant stand are the sterilization of Mother Mary and the feminisation of Jesus.

The feminisation of JC (imho) was to help keep the plebes in line and be obedient.
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How was Yeshuah feminized? By sterilized are you talking about the doctrine of the ever-virgin Mary?



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:03 AM
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My final admonition is for the spiritual. Among these are the New Agers, the Wiccans, the Buddhists, those who study the Eastern Philosophies. To you I say, that you are at a rest stop on the road, you have come to acknowledge the soul and you have come further than many. However, you should not remain here, for these places are empty and the road ahead is long and short. Beware the distractions on the road. Many, once aware of their souls, seek to exalt them in their pride. This is the occult. You are in the infancy stages of your spiritual development (please know that I mean no offence) and many seek to corrupt your newly found spirit. I cannot stress enough that you do not allow this to happen. It would be better had you never found your spirit in the first place, because your punishment will be worse than those of meat and tubes (this is not a 'fire and brimstone' speech, I'll make a thread about the misconceptions of "hell", Sheol, and Hades later), because "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required". Eventually, if you remain vigilant, you shall come into knowledge of the Godhead.


This is but a thinly veiled attempt to place your own religion and spirituality over others. you are not better than us, more right than us, and there is no one way to making a connection to the universe or what you would call christ or god.



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:22 AM
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hey, dudes...put yourself in my place
i've been following biblical prophecy for forty years....please, please

i'm telling you everything in the book is real and we're almost there!!



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by Xavialune

My final admonition is for the spiritual. Among these are the New Agers, the Wiccans, the Buddhists, those who study the Eastern Philosophies. To you I say, that you are at a rest stop on the road, you have come to acknowledge the soul and you have come further than many. However, you should not remain here, for these places are empty and the road ahead is long and short. Beware the distractions on the road. Many, once aware of their souls, seek to exalt them in their pride. This is the occult. You are in the infancy stages of your spiritual development (please know that I mean no offence) and many seek to corrupt your newly found spirit. I cannot stress enough that you do not allow this to happen. It would be better had you never found your spirit in the first place, because your punishment will be worse than those of meat and tubes (this is not a 'fire and brimstone' speech, I'll make a thread about the misconceptions of "hell", Sheol, and Hades later), because "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required". Eventually, if you remain vigilant, you shall come into knowledge of the Godhead.


This is but a thinly veiled attempt to place your own religion and spirituality over others. you are not better than us, more right than us, and there is no one way to making a connection to the universe or what you would call christ or god.


It's not veiled at all
I think I made it quite clear that I am a Christian. A Christian believes that all are subject to the law and because of our disobediance to the creator we are doomed to die and be judged at the end of time. Then Yeshuah made a vicarious attonement for our sins. We have two options God's mercy or God's Judgement (which may not be so bad if you're a good person, unlike justice, God is not blind, he knows your heart). Christians want everyone to accept God's mercy and not be subjected to the gloom of Sheol and the possibility of being judged badly.

I disagree with you, I have made a connection. Am I done with my spiritual journey? Nope, I still have long way to go. I am however, way better off now then I was before.



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:32 AM
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Wow, front page of ATS, wasn't expecting this to get popular.

I would like to thank the 90ish% of you who have been civil. I was expecting everyone to tear up everything I said. It's nice to see so many people who one might define as Atheists who are aware of their souls.



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 01:53 AM
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Why, oh why, does this topic get to the front of ATS while we actually have important things going on in the world.
For all the believers here, please watch some episodes of the Atheist experience
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They explain it really well.



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 01:55 AM
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If TPTB are supposed to be destroying religion, why is it that every President of the United States is a die hard Christian, often time pushing their beliefs publicly and even using God as a justification for war? What compels people to abandon religion is the scientific method. It requires evidence prior to the adoption of a hypothesis. It requires that one actively try to prove that hypothesis wrong before calling it a theory.

The enemy of religion is critical thinking. Our technology drives the modern world and it would be hypocritical to embrace and rely upon the science behind those advances while simultaneously disregarding the same scientific principles when it comes to religion. The more questions that science can answer, the less room there is for a blind, cop-out God explanation for unknown phenomena.
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posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 02:02 AM
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Originally posted by kallisti36

Originally posted by Jadette
For crying out loud, I get so tired of the word 'conspiracy' being used as an excuse for bible thumping. Please, at least keep this in the RELIGIOUS conspiracy forum. Why oh why the fantatic come to a UFO site to talk about their own personal relationship with jesus and try and save us all, I will never understand.

>>> try and save us all

I posted this here because the supression of the spirit is something we are subjected to day by day. I did this from a Christian stance because I am Christian. Also, if I posted this in the religious forum, I would be "preaching to the choir" and people like you never would have read it. Also, I'm not Bible thumping. Bible thumpers will tell you that you are going to hell. I didn't have time to explain that unless you accept Yeshuah as your savior, you are going to Sheol with whatever soul you have (the more you've nurtured it, the more you'll be) and will have to face the Judgement under the law, while Christians get somewhat of a pardon from the Judgement.

So you're saying then that given a little more time to explain, and you would have "Bible Thumped"..?!




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posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 02:09 AM
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One thing that annoys me is when people jump to conclusions. How do you "know" there is no God? I respect your mind as an atheist, but until you die and come back with some real confirmation, don't go ripping on religion.

Religious people don't need a firm hand to keep them in place. Nobody does, as a Christian I can do what ever I want, now there will be consequences but I think thats with everybody, I'm quite sure many would agree with the quote "What goes around comes around." There is nothing wrong with faith, but do you REALLY believe that with no religion that the world will be Wonderland? No religion is the cure all? Is that what your saying? You mean no religion will take away all of the corrupt leaders and end the Fed? Yeah, the war in the middle east will be dead, but that doesn't solve anything.



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 02:13 AM
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the host in the video really only believes in what his own ego/intellect can understand
in the here and now.
in reality, atheism is such an easy position to take.
comparing belief in God to belief in bigfoot/pixies/leprechauns is laughable.



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 02:13 AM
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"Love, and do as you will."
~ St. Augustine

imho, Christians ought to be more confident and more powerful, not of themselves or for their own narrow interests, but so that the light of Christ might begin to shine so powerfully, that the spirit of Christ will again move the world, not from the confines of any church, but through the rational faculties of man who is now becoming able to read and understand the logos when it's presented in the right way, and with the love of Christ in mind first and foremost.


Atheists beware of the coming of the non-local, quantum holographic cosmological Christ, functioning within the framework of a Monistic Idealism, against whom there will be no defence and no reasonable argument.. for when that day comes, the free choice motivated by love will no longer be available, and your prior ignorance will be apparent to you, and to everyone. Maybe then, you'll laugh with me, and not at me, as we sit down together, as brothers in eternity ie: there's a place at Christ's table for atheists as well, because of their faculty of reason and of logic.


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posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 02:18 AM
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I'm more of an Agnostic, but I say I'm Christian because I believe Jesus is real. I agree, I think Christians overall should pay attention to the Bible and do research not just read it, because the Bible gets deep, it's more than a book, it's like a big puzzle. Many people happily goto Church on Sunday and praise God when they're not supposed to. But thats them, Jesus says to let those who do wrong, do wrong. Even though I'm not the kind of person to mind my own business



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by Mizzijr
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Many people happily goto Church on Sunday and praise God when they're not supposed to. But thats them, Jesus says to let those who do wrong, do wrong.


He knows their heart. Regardless whether it's Saturday or Sunday. I see no wrong in praising the Lord, whatever day it might be.
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posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by andrewh7
reply to post by kallisti36
 


If TPTB are supposed to be destroying religion, why is it that every President of the United States is a die hard Christian, often time pushing their beliefs publicly and even using God as a justification for war? What compels people to abandon religion is the scientific method. It requires evidence prior to the adoption of a hypothesis. It requires that one actively try to prove that hypothesis wrong before calling it a theory.

The enemy of religion is critical thinking. Our technology drives the modern world and it would be hypocritical to embrace and rely upon the science behind those advances while simultaneously disregarding the same scientific principles when it comes to religion. The more questions that science can answer, the less room there is for a blind, cop-out God explanation for unknown phenomena.
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Just because someone says to be a servant of God does not make them so. People lie, politicians are famous for this. Was Hitler a Christian? Do some research on that, really get into it. Was he really a Christian? "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. " No, Hitler was not a Christian, so why did he say he was? Germany was, like the United States has always been, a Christian nation. If Hitler or any of the Presidents actually came out and said they would like to see religion wiped from the face of the Earth, they would be out of a job (or worse). You are also making an assumption that the Presidents are TPTB. As Douglas Adams said "the job of the President is not to wield power, but to draw attention away from it".



posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by kallisti36

Originally posted by Jerry_Teps

Originally posted by kallisti36
JWs and Mormons who have immensely erroneous teachings


Oh the irony, do you not see the hypocrisy in this statement?
Not at all.


Thank you for proving my point.



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