reply to post by snoopyuk
As has been pointed out many times in each of the threads discussing the actions, what do people expect?
It is Human nature to fight against something seen as unjust.
While I don't support mindless violence, I do certainly support people fighting hard for what is right. And in the instances displayed it is clear
what is right and what is wrong.
I also support self defense. If someone imprisons me illegally, and then attacks me, I WILL fight back. And just as at each of the protests we have
seen in the UK, when a group of people are imprisoned illegally, and then assaulted by the people supposedly in position to support their rights and
freedoms, I expect that group to defend themselves.
The first protest at Millbank exposed the raw nerve. And while I don't agree with the action of that day, I certainly understand the anger. I cannot
support the students on that occasion, and I do believe the rogue element took control.
However, each instance since has shown Police kettling the students, restricting and controlling them unfairly, and then attacking them without
Specifically, at the protest this week, the crowd was kettled into parliament square early on. Rightfully so they became very angry.
The Met then stated for all to see that those wishing to leave could do so through Victoria Street.
Thousands moved there to leave and were confronted by a line of riot police and officers on horseback. They were then beaten with clubs.
Rightfully, those being attacked fought back.
The Police then charged into that crowd on horseback.
What did the Police expect to happen?
From what I see there are debates going on here on ATS. The board doesn't "support" one thing or another. It facilitates discussion.
Emotions are high, and opinions are varied. But personally, I see many of those who are repeating the "mindless thugs" argument as ill-informed,
naive, or blatantly lying about what happened.
Many of these people seem to have no idea what the argument is even about. They consistently get the facts wrong, know nothing about the motivations,
and can't be bothered to research these things for themselves.
I can certainly say that the majority were not watching what was actually happening. They are repeating the propaganda being stated by the BBC in
support of the government, and nothing more.
I expect those I debate with to actually have a clue.
I can watch the BBC and see their biased views any day of the week. I prefer to come here to be challenged on an argument, not be met by a wall of
ignorant repetition and half-formed views.
A few things that should be in the forefront, but are consistently ignored by those in response...
1. The Lib Dems vowed, on camera, in written statements and pledges, that they would not support a fee hike. They gave immense support to alternative
ideas, stating one after another that any fee rise would potentially destroy this country and create an unfair advantage for the wealthy. They not
only reneged on these pledges but they supported a TRIPLING of fee's.
2. Without that student vote, the Lib Dems would not be in the position they are in now.
3. The fee rise will not affect those currently at University. It will affect their younger siblings and possibly their children.
4. The fee hike will definitely dissuade those from poorer backgrounds from even attempting to go to uni. The government has admitted this!
5. The protest is made up of students, anarchists, tutors, little kids, mothers and fathers. It is not exclusively made up of "thugs" as many here
would have people believe.
6. Top Shop is consistently attacked because the owner is a multi-billionaire scumbag who funnels money out of this country to avoid tax. And he does
this while advising the government on cuts for the rest of us!
7. The government has stated that peaceful protest means nothing to them. They simply do not care how many people are angry about this and they will
8. This is a wider issue than simply student fees. As has been consistently seen, this is becoming more about the class war in this country. That is
something we have been predicting here on this forum for the past two years. Anyone in a position of leadership or authority could potentially be
attacked. Anyone with obscene wealth is open to assault. Icons of corruption and fraud will see their storefronts and businesses boycotted, protested
and even physically damaged. That's not a warning or a threat, it's simply a Human response to the inequality in "austerity". The majority of this
country will be asked to sacrifice so much, while those in authority and positions of wealth collude to bail out each other, avoid tax, live off the
state, and basically continue their little elites party at the cost of the people.
Again, I'll happily debate this with people, but I don't appreciate it when posters lie, repeat the BBC propaganda as if it is gospel, or tarnish an
entire section of our society with a label because they think it makes their argument stronger.