Originally posted by Sinobyte
Please, EarthSister adds absolutely nothing to this discussion. She simply parrots the same crap other new agers in the UFO community do.

Hmm did I miss something here? Earthsider offers another explanation as to why the aliens might be here and you say she has added nothing? Your wrong... your post adds nothing to the discussion.

And why the hell are you getting so defensive just because someone offers up an opinion that differs from the usual idea of enslaving mankind, and harvesting resources BS? Untill someone gets some definitive proof, what Earthsider posted sounds just as logical as any other theory on here.



As to why I think aliens might be here? Using our genes to make a better version of themselves seems like the best theory at the moment. As for them being here to help us, I don't know, I suppose that is a good possibility. But I have to ask myself, "why do abductions seem so negative?"

If aliens are as smart as we think them to be then why don't they do some research and try to make the abduction process as pleasant as possible? Instead of just abducting people and going right to work on them why don't they first put them in a nice room, pleasant music, comfy chairs, and some tea or coco on the table. Then explain the situation to the abductees as best as they can and if the abductees are sympathetic to their cause then they will have permission to do their experiments. Yes, alot of people would be scared and wouldn't agree to this but just grab any newager off the street and they would absolutely enjoy the experience.

Doesn't that make more sense? Sure there would be people pissed off from being taken out of their house without their permission but at least they wouldn't have these nightmarish experiences to relay to the public.

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Originally posted by Gazrok

I have to disagree here... There is abundant evidence of EBE trickery, deceipt, breaking agreements, etc. There is also evidence of them interfering with military installations, almost causing missile launches, etc. Most of the things I've researched seems to point to a currently existing stalemate. While invasion may not be the goal, I just can't get past the motive not being a good one.

Doesn't this sound to you just a little bit like the old general consensus of the white man against the Native Americans? Americans against the Germans and the Japanese as we warred with them? What do you think our leaders told our ancestors to make them hate and war against other nations? Do you see any correlation with increasing public knowledge, intelligence, technology, world communications, and the end of prejudice, warring and hating? I do.

If you are pretty sure that ET is visiting Earth, then you must be sure of the govt cover-up, if I may assume? And if you are sure there is a govt cover-up (stop me at any time) then you must be sure the govt uses tactics to keep the aliens away from humans and the humans away from the aliens. If so, then generally speaking, what kinds of things you hear about alien life would be the propaganda and what would be the truth? What do you see the aliens doing? And what do you see your govts doing?

Just remember, if you really ARE in contact with them...don't be blind to just THEIR side of things....hmm? Look at deeds, not words...

I look at the deeds, not the words, of everyone involved.

I have met many races of the organization. None of them has ever hurt me or scared me on purpose, or any member of my family or any of my friends. They are highly intelligent, professional and conscientious at all times. I have met many alien experiencers who are afraid of the aliens and swear against them, yet when I see these people with the aliens, they are well-informed and participating in events. Their explanation is naturally that they have been tricked. I have also met alien experiencers who were traumatized by alien encounters until they got to know the aliens and gained some understanding about how and why things happen the way they do.

It is my position to support the end of all abuse whether it be accidental, careless, assumed or fabricated. It bears repeating that no alien races visiting Earth now are abducting or taking advantage of any humans at all. That does not mean that it will not scare the crap out of you if and when you meet the aliens. If you have support at the time, and whether you have believed the horror stories up to that point, will help determine how you react to the contact.

There are a lot of difficulties to overcome between our races, but most of them are in human's minds. The most advanced races that visit Earth are helping to move everybody forward. There is no reason to drag our feet against it. Our world and our race are in need of advanced assistance NOW.

The alien races are not perfect, they can't fix everything, and they can't take over for our leaders. But they are way ahead of us and have the experience and knowledge that we need to survive well. All we the people have to do is think for ourselves and move forward on our own and our govts will have to follow. If we wait for our leaders to give the cue, it's never going to happen.

Originally posted by EarthSister
I have never said either of these things, and would never say them.

Do you ever write a nice, intelligent, thoughtful, informative, honest post about anything? Why are you so nasty all of the time? Or did you name yourself that name and make yourself that avatar just for me? I think that is what you really look like.

Seriously, why are you like that?

I didn't say you did say them. I was simply cracking a joke at the expense of those with unlimited excuses for being the select few contacts of a galaxy spanning federation.

Do I ever write a nice, intelligent, thoughtful, informative, honest post about anything? Sure I have. And? Why should that affect my disgust with you and your watered down, new age yammering?

As for your childlike, 3rd grade insult on me looking like my avatar...lady, grow up.

I plan to continue dogging you and your alien scam as long as you disinform others with it. Until you can prove to me and many others that your motives are pure and your copyright on this supposed alien federation you speak to was accidental, I plan to remain nasty.

Originally posted by Sinobyte

I plan to continue dogging you and your alien scam as long as you disinform others with it. Until you can prove to me and many others that your motives are pure and your copyright on this supposed alien federation you speak to was accidental, I plan to remain nasty.

Information about alien life needs to be shared by all, for all, proof or no proof. In case you haven't noticed, the aliens have a tight grip on what people can use as evidence and that's the way it is supposed to be.

Pure motives? Are you looking for an Angel or The Holy Mother? I am an ordinary person- not a saint. Nobody is perfect, so if you are looking for the "perfect" person before you will believe they are honest, forget it.

As I have told you before and I am sure I will be telling you again, my copyrights are on my own work. If you meet alien life, you can copyright whatever you write about them too. That is the way the law works, and you know it.

You have effectively just confessed that you intend to continue to follow me around and harass me with your nasty spitting remarks against my character. You'd better watch out because I believe that is against the rules around here.

Hmmmm....Paul Richard and Earthsister give two different views about our cosmic visitors. According to Paul, they are self serving and only want to enslave us, and according to Earthsister, all that slavery stuff has been stopped, and the whopping 218 races of aliens only wish us the best. Who to believe.

Would either of you care to have a debate on the subject? I'm sure it would make for one smokin thread here at ATS.

I do have a couple of questions for you Earthsister if I may.

1. You claim to be in fairly regular contact with our cosmic friends so during these meetings, are they always held here on earth or are you ever whisked up into space for them?

2. If they are always here on earth, do they always choose a human form during contact or have you seen different biological body structures similar to Paul's claims about reptilian, insectoid, and the traditional greys/greens type of bodies?

I do not mock or patronize either of you, and do consider this a serious matter.

Edit: Earthsister, I am perusing your web site now, so no need to answer my questions at the moment, but please know I will most likely still have questions if you don't mind.

Thank you,

StickyG



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Hi StickyG,

I appreciate your sincere inquiry.

The second post in this thread really sums up my perspective, along with reference links from independent researchers who support the view that the aliens are self-serving.

There really isn't a whole lot more that I can add to that.

Thanks for the reply Paul. Something that has always intrigued me, and if true, sways my views more towards the self serving agenda, is all the reports of cattle and other livestock mutilations that have been documented over the years, most notably those from South America, where they have been found missing various body parts from bloodless, laser like incisions, and many of which seem to have been dropped from considerable heights. This may have been discussed exstensively in these forums already, but do you agree that this is a positive indication of their self serving and destructive nature, and if you think the mutilations are being carried out by these aliens, what is their purpose? I'm assuming they have been coming to our planet for millenia, and given that amount of time one would think they would have enough info about the biology of all of earth's species by now, including us.

cheers,

StickyG

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Isn't it obvious, they have mastered the universe and ll its secrets, but the mystery of the human anus still mystifies them!!!

If they are here then I'd tend to think they are watching and waiting. They may even be doing some experiments.. much like we tag animals in the wild. Our future may depend on their judgement of us.

Waiting and watching...maybe they know something about Mad Cow disease that we dont? Or maybe all the mutilations are just experiments using the Nazi flying saucers beneath Antarctica. Hmmmmm.

So many conspiracies....so little time.

Cheers,

StickyG

In my opinion we are a lest advanced civilization compare to the existence of Aliens and I had always believe that if Aliens are out there and they have been checking on us perhaps is because we are their pet project they started human life in earth and they have been monitoring what we do and how we are developing perhaps they are so ancient that they forgot their own developmental beginnings and they are experiencing those beginnings we us. That will explain the abductions and other things going on.

Hi StickyG,

The reason why the Zetans use cattle for their experiments is because cattle biochemistry is very similar to that of Homo sapiens. It is logical to assume that occasionally they might find it easier to laser-dissect a cow rather than to dissect a more difficult target (i.e., another Terran).

However, there are instances when Terrans are abducted and dissected. (They treat most of us like laboratory animals and slaves.) I remember reading about the tragic case of a US soldier being dissected by them and his corpse was later found in the general area of his disappearance. The most gruesome aspect of this heinous crime is that the way with which the dissection was done leads one to believe that the victim was kept alive for as long as possible.

We're talking about a large bunch of some very sick puppies with high technology at their disposal, victimizing innocents; a classic definition of evil.

<< I'm assuming they have been coming to our planet for millennia, and given that amount of time one would think they would have enough info about the biology of all of earth's species by now, including us. >>

That's true. According to the US Air Force (unofficially) and Zecharia Sitchin, they have been here for many thousands of years.

The mindset of these aliens is one of an intellectually mechanistic focus. They find purpose and satisfaction through their genetic experiments and through their ability to manipulate and use lesser technologically advanced peoples.

They do not really need this planet but they find great pleasure in harvesting it for their own selfish purposes.

Hi Paul,

Wow, ok, so they are just having fun then, while they toy with our fragile little minds. Are they just trying to scare us by leaving the remains behind, and if they are so evil and hell bent on using the human race, why not just conquer us already and claim themselves gods? I guess that would spoil the great fun of keeping us all in the dark. I don't know what to really think about this. With so many trillions of stars in the universe, I logically cannot rule out advanced species visiting us from other solar systems, but it is just hard to believe that the only ones interrested in earth are using it for kicks.

Thanks for the informative post...

cheers,

StickyG

Hi StickyG,

You're welcome.

You ask good questions.

<< Are they just trying to scare us by leaving the remains behind? >>

The aliens simply laser-cut out the organs that they want and take it with them. To me, this doesn't indicate a desire on their part to scare us -- more like indifference and careless disregard. It is like stealing a candy bar from a grocery store and then discarding the wrapping on the ground.

<<...why not just conquer us already and claim themselves gods? >>

Actually they were once thought of as gods by the Akkadians and Sumerians, and probably by other ancient cultures as well. Even now, some people (like a number who have posted in this forum), think of them as divine beings.

According to (Ret.) US Army Sgt. Clifford Stone, they have somewhere in the area of a dozen underwater and underground bases around the world. My intuitive intelligence confirms this.

We are totally surrounded.

Many thousands of people around the world have claimed to have been abducted. Many more abductions go unreported because people wish to avoid being publicly humiliated -- as many have. Some researchers estimate that up to five percent of the overall global population has been kidnapped at one time or another. Do the math. That's a hell of a lot of people being abducted by aliens.

No traditional invasion is necessary; we are already covertly occupied.

<< I don't know what to really think about this. >>

Many feel as you do. The best strategy is to learn all that we can and do what we can with the time and energy we have available to us.

<< With so many trillions of stars in the universe, I logically cannot rule out advanced species visiting us from other solar systems, but it is just hard to believe that the only ones interested in earth are using it for kicks. >>

Sounds like a Twilight Zone episode, doesn't it?

An overemphasis on technological development without a spiritual base leads to an imperialistic civilization that subjugates lesser advanced peoples.

My intuitive intelligence also tells me that most of the planets that contain humanoid life embrace only medieval technology, and that there are thousands of them in the Milky Way Galaxy alone -- not all of which house one or more Zetan bases. In other words, not all of them are under direct imperial control.

These are the places where friendly interstellar relations will occur, if at all. The Space Race empires, like that which stems from Reticulum 4, are spiritually indifferent and are not interested in forming or participating in a benevolent "Federation of Planets."

However, the Zetans are neither omnipotent nor omniscient. They will eventually fall just as every other empire, no matter how large or advanced, eventually spirals down into oblivion.

It is just a matter of time.

All right if you are indeed on a friendly basis with Aliens, mind if I ask you a few questions? If you don't know an answer feel free to skip it.

- Where do you meet them?
- How do you know the time/place to show up?
- Who else besides yourself meets it/them?
- What do they look like?
- Where are they from?
- And how do they get here?

thanks, appreciate it

Originally posted by senshido
- Where do you meet them?
- How do you know the time/place to show up?
- Who else besides yourself meets it/them?
- What do they look like?
- Where are they from?
- And how do they get here?

I'm not trying to answer any of these questions for you senshido, but some of the answers you seek, such as what they look like, and how they get here are answered on her website posted in her sig. As it goes I also have questions for her as well.

cheers,

StickyG

Originally posted by StickyG

I'm not trying to answer any of these questions for you senshido, but some of the answers you seek, such as what they look like, and how they get here are answered on her website posted in her sig.

I'm sure she's got the time to answer me, even if it's ever so brief.

I really need to change my thumb button on my mouse, it's my back button, and I keep accidentally hitting it and erasing my posts as I'm writing them...grrrrrrr.

Paul, thanks again for such a thorough reply and for the compliments on my questioning ability. When I find such a resource as yourself on such an enthralling topic, it's hard to resist

Alot of what you say makes sense, and from your information about their bases already here on terra firma, I could probably guess a couple of locations. Since we seem to see so much activity in South America, I would speculate one as Antarctica, and quite possibly somewhere in Pategonia. Also based on their significance in the cradle of civilization, somewhere beneath the sands of the Middle East. I would also consider that the Genie myths are also the Zetans, which by the way I know are still seen and believed by many living in the surrounding deserts.

Well, quite alot to digest my friend. Let's hope Earthsister can come and share her thoughts about all this as well. This has turned into a really great thread, and I hope to continue it.

Thanks again,

Sticky G


And to senshido, you're missing out if you don't visit the site. She has pictures of the aliens my friend....hand drawn, but it would certainly be better than any description she could type here IMHO. Cheers.

Originally posted by StickyG
And to senshido, you're missing out if you don't visit the site. She has pictures of the aliens my friend....hand drawn, but it would certainly be better than any description she could type here IMHO. Cheers.

All right I'm actually gonna take a look, here goes nothing....

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[align=center]This is Zar, Leader of The Project. His race is the most elite of The Project races and in this part of the Universe. He is five feet tall in body form and has round black eyes and a tiny nose and mouth. His body is made out of light and his home is a star which takes 17 days to get to at greater than light speed. His ships are made out of light too. He's about 500 Earth years old and in his first life. Jack and Zar are family by soul. [/align]
===

show us the video clips...

Originally posted by senshido
show us the video clips...

I told you they were hand drawn and seems from about oh, 15 or so years ago. Good stuff. What got me though was her site map...I was like wth am I supposed to cut and paste these links? Man! Not knockin her beliefs though, not enough info yet. Hoping she'll pop back in here and offer to answer all our inquiries.

cheers,

StickyG

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