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posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 10:48 AM
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Sorry. But as a Hungarian I know how things are going in my country. I don't need some TPTB edited Wikipedia to present something what is definitely not true. Come to my country, then you'll see what is truly going on here.


Well, you would still be a communist country if it wasn't for George Soros.

In your dreams. You don't know anything about my nation, right? Than pssssssst. Stay silent.

Here in ATS I know there are few Anti-Hungarian (Zionists), because we've kicked them out this year and Hungarians and Globalist Zionists are like... angels and demons (We're the angels). We know you don't like us. But as we used to say: we don't care about it at all.


And as this thread is not about my nation, I'm asking you again. What the hell are you doing here guys? Because since Page 4 you and Nilsen is continuously derailing this thread. Hmmm. Maybe I should ask for a moderator. It would be the time for it.
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posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Exuberant1
No one is stopping you from paying for a person's education.

Where we differ is that you think it is okay for a government to use force and the threat of force to take money from people and spend it on subsidizing education, and I do not think this is okay.

You believe in involuntary socialism and I believe in voluntary socialism.


Well tell you what...I will make a deal

I personally will not object to the government not paying for education because it offends you

when they stop making bombs and cut the military by 80% so its only a defensive force...because that offends me.

To me, a investment in a persons education through tax dollars is -far- more forgivable than using that money, and 300 times more, to make a single bomb that will collect dust for eternity.

Sound fair?
Until then...if you want to sound like your not a hypocrite, shout at the military complex first...because their spending will grab a hundred dollars from your personal pocket before education takes a single penny



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 10:56 AM
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WOW that's my peeps.

Its times like this I wish I knew were the star and flag button was.



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Sentinel412
reply to post by SaturnFX
 

Sorry. But as a Hungarian I know how things are going in my country. I don't need some TPTB edited Wikipedia to present something what is definitely not true. Come to my country, then you'll see what is truly going on here.


Oh hell, if your going to dismiss facts, then there is not much more to talk about

I will use your logic and suggest Hungary is actually a red chinese outpost and you are a disinfo agent trying to lure innocent people over to take hostage.

Prove me wrong...since you are a disinfo agent, your word cannot be taken seriously, and since you yourself dismisses any online info suggesting different because its a tool by the powerful, then obviously that can't be used...
therefore, I will just go with what I imagine...and yep...Hungrary..total communist facist regime..if you tossed out Soros and all he stands for...and considering he stands for tearing down facist communist regimes...then clearly you are a communist nation.

See the problem here? (doubtful)



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:02 AM
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What in particular is this kid talking about? What happened last Wednesday? What is the issue he's standing up against?



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:06 AM
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reply to post by SaturnFX
 

Okay. Here is an article... if he is truly working for us, why we're forcing him to pay few million Euro when he was caught after he manipulated few things to force our nation to bankrupt and collapse our currency (Where he failed and was caught)? Use google translate to see what sheep you truly are.

www.origo.hu...

Keep your disinformation to yourself. And we're not a Chinese outpost. We're right between the West and the East. We're not making enemies, but we're also not looking for false allies either. And as this thread is not about my country, I'm asking it again, what the hell are you doing here, other then spreading lies about countries, especially my country?
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posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Exuberant1
No one is stopping you from paying for a person's education.

Where we differ is that you think it is okay for a government to use force and the threat of force to take money from people and spend it on subsidizing education, and I do not think this is okay.

You believe in involuntary socialism and I believe in voluntary socialism.


Well tell you what...I will make a deal



Bargaining, Deal-making - it is the third stage on the path towards accepting that you are wrong and I am right.

This is good, but stage 4 is 'depression'. This happens when you realize that deal-making doesn't work.

However you will soon realize that involuntary socialism is wrong. This does not mean you will stop supporting or helping others, just that you will know it is not right to force others to give up money for your socialist agenda or to get the government to force them for you. You will be a better person at stage five than you are now at stage 3.


Stage Five - Acceptance:



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posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:14 AM
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Brave kid. Spoiled tantrum though.


If this was something like "They are taxing us too much!", "Stop sending our jobs to other countries!" , or "Stop shoving your BS agenda down our throats!" I'd have a higher opinion of them.


This kid is a future socialist, marxist, communist. He says that "They failed" in the assumption of them being all about TV.


That is NOT what they ever assumed. These kids are exactly where they were planned to be....

anarchists.

Surprised the cops arent capping these kids.

Damn shame is the kids think they are doing something "grande". They are following the preset pattern.



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:16 AM
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See now, there's the problem right there. Do you watch the news? Or did the American media not cover the London student protests?



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by felonius
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That is NOT what they ever assumed. These kids are exactly where they were planned to be....

anarchists.


No, they are not anarchists.

Either you didn't watch the video or you don't know what an anarchist is.


This child was clearly advocating for more state-involvement and more state funding - not zero state funding; as an actual anarchist would do and has done.



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by Sentinel412
reply to post by SaturnFX
 

Okay. Here is an article... if he is truly working for us, why we're forcing him to pay few million Euro when he was caught after he manipulated few things to force our nation to bankrupt and collapse our currency (Where he failed and was caught)? Use google translate to see what sheep you truly are.

www.origo.hu...

the article is in hungarian..translator helped but still not sure what the point was beyond, they company got fined for some financial rule they didn't follow..they paid the fine but are also appealing..meanwhile some oversight got slapped on as a result. Meh, welcome to corporatism in its finest sense


Keep your disinformation to yourself. And we're not a Chinese outpost. We're right between the West and the East. We're not making enemies, but we're also not looking for false allies either. And as this thread is not about my country, I'm asking it again, what the hell are you doing here, other then spreading lies about countries, especially my country?
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I put the chinese post as a rediculous example of how if you cannot trust a simple wiki, then you can simply make up crap that suits your world view. Of course your not a bloody chinese outpost...it was meant to sound dumb, yet some will buy it anyhow because thats how conspiracy minds work..toss out logic and reason, trust nothing, and go with the word of some guy on the internet verses actual facts.

What I am doing here is, in this particular thread, weighing in my opinion about some kids speech. What you are doing here is emptying your conspiracy jargon into basically incoherent diatribes on anyone whom has any point of view that you haven't accepted as truth...that annoys me and although I try not to feed trolls too much, sometimes its hard not to.

Your right...this isn't about your country, or you...this thread is about a kid that is angry that his price for university is going up because of mismanagment of tax dollars...how this converts into tptb, disinfo agents, and all other types of nonsense is beyond me..but I will give you credit for trying to stuff it into every single convo you get into on ATS.

Once you abandon reason, expect only the unreasonable elements to see your point of view.



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Exuberant1
No one is stopping you from paying for a person's education.

Where we differ is that you think it is okay for a government to use force and the threat of force to take money from people and spend it on subsidizing education, and I do not think this is okay.

You believe in involuntary socialism and I believe in voluntary socialism.


Well tell you what...I will make a deal



Bargaining, Deal-making - it is the third stage on the path towards accepting that you are wrong and I am right.

This is good, but stage 4 is 'depression'. This happens when you realize that deal-making doesn't work.

However you will soon realize that involuntary socialism is wrong. This does not mean you will stop supporting or helping others, just that you will know it is not right to force others to give up money for your socialist agenda or to get the government to force them for you. You will be a better person at stage five than you are now at stage 3.


Stage Five - Acceptance:



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I think this post right here has produced exactly what I needed to make up my mind about you.
Thanks for playing...lets let the record decide based on our interactions what to think.



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Sentinel412

Originally posted by SkurkNilsen
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Hungary....

Oh! You mean the country that makes homosexuals watch hetero porn to check if they are really homosexual, that Hungary?

Yeah, you are in the forefront when it comes to beeing humanists here in Europe ain't you?

I don't know what about you're talking, but as Hungary is a Christian state in the last thousand years, here the approved form of marriage is between heterosexuals (It's also in our Constitution.). Mocking me or my country, creating false stories, calling me as a fascist because our country is a normal, free country, well, that won't work and your mocking is clearly presenting who you're and what you're. Thank you for the nice presentation in the name of ATS.

As we used to say here: if you don't like what is going on in Hungary, you don't have to come here. Anyone else, who is respecting our culture, our nation, our people is welcomed anytime. We're a friendly nation, but not with our enemies. Sorry, but we won't change, because some outsider demands this from us.
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Well you changed it one month ago after pressure from the EU(outsiders or insiders?)...

Source: ABCnews

But, hey... Sources and proof doesn't seem to be your strong side anyway, and I don't know what I'm talking about... Right?

Deny..... What was it again?
And are homosexualls really Hungary's enemy?



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:29 AM
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reply to post by SaturnFX
 

Actually you asked me about my country since Page 5 or 6 and when I respond to you clearly and nicely you start to mock me. Do you remember for the discussion what Skyfloating is started about disinfo agents, right? There I also written down the traits of a disinfo agents that with many people agreed (Around the eighth comment in that thread). And now, you're doing the same points here, one by one.

So please stop derailing the thread, stop the mocking, stop to make joke from others whose are not agreeing with your narrow minded view. Oh, and please stop the wall of texts to push the response of others into the background.

Thanks.
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posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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This is ridiculous.
A kid with an English accent gets up and gives a speech and the ATS community falls all over themselves to heap NWO rebellion bravery on the boy....pfffffft. Hears what he really said when you strip away your romantic bias toward the English accent:

I went down on my lunch hour from school to check out the drama going on at the protest and accidentally got caught in it. The cops corralled all of us so I sat at talked to some other people, we shared some snacks (because I had missed lunch), and some other kids who had come down with me actually took off their ties and used them as bandanas (these are hardcore kids). None of us liked that they corralled us, but we were having so much fun talking and noshing that we decided we were going to come back on a frequent basis to do it again. The newspeople called us vandals and that made me mad because like I said, we were just talking and eating around a fire.
We are tired of grown-ups telling us what to do, and dictating what expenses of ours they will and won't spend their hard earned money for. There's this subway union..and I like and support them now because they are keeping it real, just like me, as a revolutionary rebel newly committed to change the world....during my lunch hour.



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

I think this post right here has produced exactly what I needed to make up my mind about you.
Thanks for playing...lets let the record decide based on our interactions what to think.



So you are not ready to admit that involuntary socialism is wrong?

Do you think it is preferable to voluntary socialism?



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:32 AM
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Since you clearly can't support your opinions with evidence then it's just natural that your credibility is questioned, and when apparently all evidence we can muster is fallacies presented by the ellusive "NWO" and "TPTB" then it is hard to have any meaningfull debate.



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by Illustronic
What in particular is this kid talking about? What happened last Wednesday? What is the issue he's standing up against?


His right to an education without incurring a debt that will be with him for most of his working life.

And in answer to the other post by Gamma criticising your question, I do not think that this has been reported in the States judging by this thread....


Originally posted by mayabong
This is pretty much Censored in the american media, but this thing is pretty hardcore!.
All because of those pesky bankers at the top.

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posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:34 AM
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Well you changed it one month ago after pressure from the EU(outsiders or insiders?)... Source: ABCnews But, hey... Sources and proof doesn't seem to be your strong side anyway, and I don't know what I'm talking about... Right?


I hope you know that the Czech Republic is not equal with the Hungarian Republic. If you read the title of the news what you linked as your so called proof, it says: Czechs Defend Arousal Testing of Gay Refugees.

abcnews.go.com...
(Before you would delete your link in your great embarassement)

So I don't see any connection between this news, your accusations and my country, Hungary at all. And here is an advice: Learn some geography, pretty please. The Czech Republich is north from Hungary. It's not the same country at all. But in my country we also used to call this as: EPIC FAIL.
No offense.


Since you clearly can't support your opinions with evidence then it's just natural that your credibility is questioned, and when apparently all evidence we can muster is fallacies presented by the ellusive "NWO" and "TPTB" then it is hard to have any meaningfull debate.

How should I support any evidence against accusations when you're speaking about a quite different country?
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posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:43 AM
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He is right in everything he says and in every way he feels..but...there is a but...he is not sticking it to the establishment..he is telling his classmates in school..not in say, parliment or congress..I can say the same thing in front of everyone I know too.What needs to be done is evryone get off their lazy butts and march to washington and scream this to obama..not fellow classmates and friends..hell i just this second told obama to suck my....yeah.. means nothing unless i'm saying it to his face.good speech though..just not in the place it needs to be..and this is not sticking it to anyone.sorry.fact is fact.






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