Watch this Brave 15 year old Stand Against the New World Order! Are you?

reply to post by plainsmen83


Ooooh, are you going to diss my country?

Well, then you should try Norway if you really want to

Have at it if you really feel like it.

And again, thanks for the constructive posts

Mais je parle un peu français, si tel est votre langue préférée mon amis
(I know my spelling ain't too good, so please refrain from mocking it).

But that's just a side effect from the free education we get here, and that's what you wanted to discuss I suppose.....
seeing how the OP has gotten the meaning of the video wrong.

I support the education of the youth, they are the future and if possible the society should educate them for free as it will be an enormous asset in the future.

-Fin-

Originally posted by plainsmen83
reply to post by Mr. D

 

The character of a man is defined by what he stands for, not by what he rises in opposition to...I forget who said that, but it strikes me that this protest isn't in support of an ideal, but in opposition to the reduction of the flow of milk from the state's teet. Puppies often get rambunctious when mommy no longer allows them to suckle. Lastly, unless your school yard bully analogy occurs at a private school, then the entire scenario loses credibility.

Umm, if you are laying on the ground, you have to rise to get on your feet no?
These children are rising in life so they can know where they stand in society.
Private school? I think you missed the point. Children's parents who pay for
private school for the most part can afford to send them there and probably are
not worried about tuition. It's the public school funding that is the issue here
is it not? If I understood the issue correctly, Education is free, extremely cheap
(or was) hence the protests. Can't the government trim spending somewhere
else besides Education? How about subsidies to businesses, defense spending
or somewhere else? Why take the food (education) out of the childrens mouths just
to make bombs and bullets? It makes no sense if you ask me so yes the school
yard bully analogy still stands, pun intended.

It's being particularly interesting, and sociologically fascinating, to see that despite repeated warnings from history against fascisms and tyrannies, so many people still feel comfortable seeing them rise again from the ashes.

One would expect people to be more alert, if not for anything, at least for the fact that tyrannies end up turning against everyone, even their more subservient and spineless adepts. Of course, I can understand the attraction of being able to snitch on everyone that annoys you and seeing that people sent to a labour camp, or perhaps a mass grave, after all human beings like to feel power, specially over other human beings. But failing to see the end, when it has happened so many times, it's slightly baffling.

yeah all him and his fellow protesters need now is a copy of the anarchist cookbook
then we will see some real results.oh sorry its a peaceful protest.
peaceful?tell that to the kettlin baton wielding police scum.
give em a taste of there own medicine i say.
do i smell revolution in the air?

reply to post by GlennCanady


its to late to stop the NWO, so sit back and enjoy the ride, the only way we could stop them is if every citizen stood up and we started a rebellion and took over the goverment, other then that its to late, its even prophesied in the bible, a leader will arise and will become the one world goverment and then we will all be asked to accept the chip, but for this to happen the world has to be in a world crisis for them to accept it, so basically it will be a repeat of how hitler came into power! will be interesting but the kid does have courage, now if only everyone had the same courage he shows then this could be stopped

Socialism is the final result of society

Socialism is only possible in a technologically advanced society.

What the world can achieve for at the moment is a socio-capitalism..and continously monitering how much socialism should be enacted based on resource managment year to year.

I have spoken with near rabid libertarians about this and they have agreed that in a advanced society, socialism is indeed the way to go..and I agree with them that we are nowhere even close to such a society.
Not because we cant envision it, but we simply do not have the public technology to achieve anything close.

on that note, I find higher education to be currently a privilege, but it should be a right once its possible to achieve that landmark of civilization.

I find it is actually more critical than free healthcare for all...if almost everyone had an advanced degree, chances are, a person not with healthcare that got sick may know or be related to people with medical degrees that will help them.

The more highly educated people in society there are, the less services will cost (supply and demand). if you make education exclusive, you are killing supply, and making a structure where the demand is great and the prices can inflate dramatically.

I am starting to see that denying education to large amounts of people is a business decision more than anything else. and, if there are some orchistrated TPTB, this would be the staplemark of them. consolidate wealth of nations to small points that control the rest...keep the supply supressed and focused so the system never changes.

The kid may be onto something without even knowing it.

reply to post by Mr. D


Certainly the government could cut somewhere else...not bombs though...because those who make and invent new bombs are very educated people and we need to keep them employed. Thus useful nature of state sponsored education. I would suggest that the payouts on the dole be dramatically cut as an alternative. If education is so revered, then let's not give incentive to those who did not take advantage and fully exploit the free "right" to an education. Here here

reply to post by SaturnFX


There does seem to be a fundemental paradox pertaining to education.
The more educated people become , the less jobs are required by
economies to sustain it for the simple fact that less people are required
to maintain the status quo. People do become more productive however
there are now more poor people than ever who are not counted in the
status quo. What would happen if Society aspired to raise the standard
of living of the poor? (The majority of the world by the way). There is a
huge imbalance between the have's and have nots. I have a feeling
that imbalance is correcting itself one way or another, hence all the
turmoil we see in the world today.

reply to post by SaturnFX


"I find it is actually more critical than free healthcare for all...if almost everyone had an advanced degree, chances are, a person not with healthcare that got sick may know or be related to people with medical degrees that will help them. "

Two points of opposition on this -
A) it's advanced degrees that got us into the trouble we're in now.
B) if everyone, or nearly everyone had advanced degrees...who would fix your car? Who would stock the shelves at your market with food? How much would the price of everything skyrocket because all of those advanced degree people believe they are entitled to six figure salaries?

In a utopian society...you may be correct...socialism can work...but don't be the first country to reach it...because you will be overrun, underpriced, and out populated...oh that's already happening to you and you're not even there yet

reply to post by Mr. D


Say it Mr D...the logical next step in your argument is population control isn't it?

Originally posted by plainsmen83
reply to post by Mr. D

 

Certainly the government could cut somewhere else...not bombs though...because those who make and invent new bombs are very educated people and we need to keep them employed. Thus useful nature of state sponsored education. I would suggest that the payouts on the dole be dramatically cut as an alternative. If education is so revered, then let's not give incentive to those who did not take advantage and fully exploit the free "right" to an education. Here here

From your response I can't tell if you are being facetious or not. Those who have not taken
advantage of the right to an education should not be excluded from getting one. Who knows
why they were not able to get an education, maybe they had to work to support the family?
Many people around the world can not afford to get a proper education because they have
to work from an early age just to survive.

Originally posted by Mr. D

Originally posted by felonius
I'm amazed at how many socialist / anarchists we have here on ATS.

How can you support this insanity?

Hell, its cheaper for us in the US to send our kid to oxford than to some of our schools! SMU for instance?

You guys are blind to the real issue here. The kids are being used.

They should arrest ANYONE of school age out of classes and have guards posted at doors.

The ACTUAL perpetrators behind this should be publicly drawn and quartered.

Folks, this is what socialism breeds. When you run out of money (AND YOU WILL) and you begin to "take the cookies away" the "children" throw a tantrum.

Tantrums deserve a good spanking.

Hmmm, wondering what cookies your are talking about. Education is a right
not a privilege. I'm sure there are plenty of other places they can streamline
the budget instead of raising tuitions and taxing subjects until death. That said,
yes children should be protected from political animosities that would cause
them to riot for UNFOUNDED reasons however protesting is also a right and not
a privilge. In this case they probably learned more about social economics on the
streets in a way they could never learn it in a classroom.

Education is a right. Fine and good. The government put a cap on the prices.

As I said, my daughter could go to oxford cheaper than an instate university like SMU.

Like all socialized nations, when the "big titty" is taken away, people bitch and moan. No sympathy given here.

The only thing I could suggest is to start sending all the lovely immigrants and illegals that are sponging off of the tax payers. All the muzzies that are running madrasas in england? ship'em home feet first or head first but ship'em. That would open up a lot of money. Hell, the brits just axed 300k jobs! Wish we would over here in the states!

This is why the BNP should be in power.

The brits are following suit as in Germany. IF you dont have the funds, dont spend it. If your spending too much, stop!

Kinda like Dave Ramsey's philosophy!

these kids are being used as pawns. period. No grandeur or fine speechs can cover the fact that they are a bunch of idiots with delusions of "beating the system". The PTB are using them according to plan.

Originally posted by plainsmen83
reply to post by Mr. D

 

Say it Mr D...the logical next step in your argument is population control isn't it?

edit on 11-12-2010 by plainsmen83 because: Wrong attribution

Obviously you don't understand what I am trying to say. Maybe you should
read my previous posts.

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by Hendrix92TheUniverse


College should be free. Plain and simple. Education is a right. A lot of people work after graduation only to put most of their money towards student loans for years. It defeats the purpose of an education if it only serves to put you in debt to a bank. You become their slave. Just because an education could be free does not mean that people don't pull their own. Far from it. Most students work at least part-time and can barely make ends meet.

Sweden has a good way of alleviating the burden of tuition. You don't pay a thing for it. You only pay for books. You have to pay higher taxes there, yes. But, it's offset by not having to be in mountains of debt. I'd rather pay two dollars for a can of soda, which would make me not drink the crap anyway, than be up to my eyeballs in debt any day.

Originally posted by GlennCanady
We are going to win this fight against the dark forces. And all the government trolls that have sold their soul to the new world order are not going to stop us!

Thats all nice and dandy... and people can and will say their differences, just as those on ATS.

The difference is.. the harder they fight back, the more excuses to inflate police state. And those who defend are already employed and have income being generated. All this does is give them an excuse to hire more brain dead officers to push their agenda.

And in time... the halls will echo what the suppressors say. If blood is spilt.. it will only be considered collateral damage for the greater good. Do you or anyone honestly think those in power care about the individuals protesting or what contribution they will offer society? I say nay. As those in power already have their seeds planted for the next generation who will conquer future generations. So long as their positions are secure, all else does not matter, all others are dreamers.

reply to post by plainsmen83


You make the assumption that everyone would be an engineer, doctor, astronomer, etc. You couldn't be more wrong. Some people choose not to go to college. One reason being they start a car repair business because they love to work on cars. Some people actually choose to do things like that because they enjoy. More power to them I say.

It is true that if more people were educated then there would be a smaller workforce for a McDonald's or Burger King. Does that really bother anyone but gluttons?

Originally posted by plainsmen83
A) it's advanced degrees that got us into the trouble we're in now.

disagree. mismanagment of funds is the problem

B) if everyone, or nearly everyone had advanced degrees...who would fix your car? Who would stock the shelves at your market with food? How much would the price of everything skyrocket because all of those advanced degree people believe they are entitled to six figure salaries?

An advanced degree does not suddenly mean everyone gets a great job. but also keep in mind what I said.
What is needed is advances in technology...not mindset, just super tech.
Those menial labour jobs are pretty close to being automated even now...in 10-15 years, robotics will easily be able to quickly fix a car, stock a shelf, or pick a tomato in a field...eventually things will be to a point where those without an advanced degree will simply be unemployable anyhow because what they qualify for can be done with a cheapy Mr. Handy robot.

This is an absolute metaphysical certainty..there is no alternative...so, we as a western society must simply decide
Will we compete with the east, or will we become the country begging for handouts and aid?

Education will be the -only- thing that makes or breaks us. scientific achievements and keeping competitive.

What we see is America as a farm with 1000 farmers...and a tractor is being built...will we train our people to drive tractors, or will we then give them food stamps and hope the foreigners driving the tractors will be nice to us?

In a utopian society...you may be correct...socialism can work...but don't be the first country to reach it...because you will be overrun, underpriced, and out populated...oh that's already happening to you and you're not even there yet

There is no chance we will be the first country. or the second. What may happen is we end up being close to the last in the industrial world...and we will remain at the bottom for a very long time...in more ways than one.

Anyone whom can take a unbias look at tomorrow will see this.

The kid is right...the UK must look at educating their kids to drive the tractor, else the whole system will flop. that is far more important for tomorrow than idealistic tripe of yesterday.

Originally posted by felonius

Originally posted by Mr. D

Originally posted by felonius
I'm amazed at how many socialist / anarchists we have here on ATS.

How can you support this insanity?

Hell, its cheaper for us in the US to send our kid to oxford than to some of our schools! SMU for instance?

You guys are blind to the real issue here. The kids are being used.

They should arrest ANYONE of school age out of classes and have guards posted at doors.

The ACTUAL perpetrators behind this should be publicly drawn and quartered.

Folks, this is what socialism breeds. When you run out of money (AND YOU WILL) and you begin to "take the cookies away" the "children" throw a tantrum.

Tantrums deserve a good spanking.

Hmmm, wondering what cookies your are talking about. Education is a right
not a privilege. I'm sure there are plenty of other places they can streamline
the budget instead of raising tuitions and taxing subjects until death. That said,
yes children should be protected from political animosities that would cause
them to riot for UNFOUNDED reasons however protesting is also a right and not
a privilge. In this case they probably learned more about social economics on the
streets in a way they could never learn it in a classroom.

Education is a right. Fine and good. The government put a cap on the prices.

As I said, my daughter could go to oxford cheaper than an instate university like SMU.

Like all socialized nations, when the "big titty" is taken away, people bitch and moan. No sympathy given here.

The only thing I could suggest is to start sending all the lovely immigrants and illegals that are sponging off of the tax payers. All the muzzies that are running madrasas in england? ship'em home feet first or head first but ship'em. That would open up a lot of money. Hell, the brits just axed 300k jobs! Wish we would over here in the states!

This is why the BNP should be in power.

The brits are following suit as in Germany. IF you dont have the funds, dont spend it. If your spending too much, stop!

Kinda like Dave Ramsey's philosophy!

these kids are being used as pawns. period. No grandeur or fine speechs can cover the fact that they are a bunch of idiots with delusions of "beating the system". The PTB are using them according to plan.

You would think that the price of an education could stay fixed no? I mean really, the only
things that need to be paid for are basic such as Water, electricty, building maintenance
books and salaries. Why raise the price of education? I can understand inflation but come
on now, 9000 Pounds a year? I didn't know basic services had become so outrageous,
and I seriously doubt teachers got a 9000 Pound raise in their salaries.

This kid is a Soros pawn

reply to post by PhillyisBoss


Honestly, I don't know how anyone could believe in this NWO stuff. It's a red herring to keep people distracted from reality. If you're sitting at home thinking about the Illuminati-Mason-Reptilian Agenda then you need to get a grip. If you actually read what this supposed NWO is about you'll find that it is actually the Current World Order. The CWO is about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Corporations tugging the strings of leaders of governments. It's the Military Industrial Complex creating wars to gain a profit. It's things like that that there is evidence for. There is no need for a world-wide conspiracy. They're just following a business model of supply and demand. They supply the war and the warring factions demand weapons.

It's just a diversion. Talking all this NWO stuff makes people look crazy which is probably the idea in the first place. If people got down to real issues the world would be better off.