reply to post by David9176
Here's a dirty little secret: most conservatives feel that way, or at least similar.
Conservative does not equal heartless... certainly there are some who fit both decriptors, but they are actually the exception. A conservative simply
believes in the values that founded the country. Hard work, rewards for that hard work, personal freedom and responsibility, and the American Dream
that if you work hard, if you do things right, you get rewarded... and yes, we want the government to keep its hands off that reward when it comes. We
earned it! But that doesn't mean we're going to hoard it back in some secret vault never to let anyone else see it... every conservative I know
gives many times over to charity what others give, when compared to actual income. It's the conservatives who give to churches, who in turn run food
banks and mission homes for the homeless. It's the conservatives who stop when they hear that bell in front of WalMart, dig deep, and throw a handful
of change, uncounted, into the bucket. It's the conservatives who are building homes with Habitat for Humanity.
It's just when someone tries to force us to give that we have a problem. Remember, we believe we earned those rewards, and someone telling me I have
to give money to a cause is akin to them stealing for someone else. It's my decision... not theirs. And it seems appropriate to point out that the
most efficient charities are typically the ones run without any form of tax support.
That's what the argument is usually about... who gets to choose where their charity money goes. The person who earned it, or the person who wants
Conservatives want everyone to succeed... not just survive. We want those around us to make good too, because a thriving economy really is good for
Back on topic... 'Trickle-down' economics does work... but it works only because the wealthy provide jobs. Those jobs provide both a profit
incentive for the wealthy as well as income for the middle class. The middle class then spends that income on improving their standard of life, which
creates more jobs to satisfy their spending. The wealthy too, are having to improve facilities which creates auxiliary jobs in that area. The economy
But that is not what we have today. Today, most of our goods are manufactured overseas, and the import does nothing for our economy compared to what
domestic manufacturing could do. That one fact stops the effectiveness of 'trickle-down' economics. And why are manufacturing plants locating
overseas? Cost. When government regulations drive the cost of manufacturing too high, manufacturers leave. Period. No one is going to build a
manufacturing plant when they have to spend a few million dollars just to have someone perform a government-mandated ecological study, when they are
not even assured they will be able to build it when the study is complete. They'll go to Mexico, where the labor is less well-trained, where the laws
may be different, but where the costs are a fraction. Otherwise, they'll never recoup their investment.
Until we have that manufacturing base again, we need to help those who are hurting, because they are not hurting because of anything they did or
failed to do... they are hurting because of what others did, the same others who are receiving rewards not for hard work, not for innovation, but for
fraudulently extorting money form the taxpayers.
Don't get me wrong... we need tax cuts on the wealthy... we need tax cuts across the board! But not now... now we have to pay for those bailouts,
which every conservative I know opposed vehemently. And who has the money to pay for them? The wealthy, who received them!
The middle class is
barely holding on, and the poor are slipping into indigence rapidly... they can't afford to pay now! And like I said in my previous post, it's all
because of the actions of the wealthy, taking and not giving back.
What we really need is to make TVs in the USA. We need to make the best cars in the USA. We need to make computers in the USA. We need to make cell
phones in the USA. We need to make something
in the USA!
Right now we make poverty.
And no economy has ever improved with poverty as its only product.