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Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by finallianstallion
I agree.. The "moral" dilema that popped up is the exposure / release of all of this information in a manner that guarantees it cant be used to prosecute anyone involved in illegal actions.
To me it would have been more productive, and most likely effective, to sort through it and find document that were dead to rights with the criminal behavior. Instead of releasing that info to the public, it should have been sent to the US Congress, who is the point of contact for whistle blowers and classified info.
By doing this, sending the documents to congress, it forces them to act in such a manner where if they half ass it, they are nailed, if they ignore iot, they are nailed. Going down a road like that, while letting them know you have the info and giving them the chance to correct it, exposes it all while getting results.
Failure to act, you get the affected countries involved and go that route.
But again, simply dumping all this info without adequately filtering and redacting names, locations, sources, its going to do more harm in the areas its suppose to help, its moves the outrage from the actions to the leak and the manner in which they were leaked.
Its the announcement of the century that should captivate everyone, but instead because of the way it was done, the announcement of the century was lost in the chaos, with 2nd, 3rd and 4th day process stories taking over the headlines.
All the US has to do now, and its already being done, is to question the intent of Assange, which that pressure forced Assange to admit on record the intent was revenge and nothing else. Well, when he said that, it throws a shadow on the released documents. Its easy for the US Government to say the documents assange is releasing is a fake.
How to confirm it? You cant.. You have to take Assanges word for it, which is now somewhat suspect because the intent went from stopping a war to revenge..
This has been my argument. I dont agree with the theft and release of the documents. I think its dangerous, and even more so to just dump them for all to see without taking aduquate measure to protect the innocent people named within (they are innocent until proven guilty, just as people argue for assange). However, on the flip side, because I do beleive our Government oversteps its bounds in areas, the chance to screw em to the wall is now gone as well.
Originally posted by finallianstallion
I really don´t care about the rape charge and nobody else shouldn´t either. If he is found guilty, then he is guilty to the rape(s).
There are bigger issues behind this than rape. Not to take anything away from any rape victims ( I personally would castrate every rapist, personally )
What I don´t understand is the fact that Assange has not stolen anything from anywhere and yet he is the one to be blamed of this "leak"? Did Assange breach US security in somehow to get these documents? No !!
USA government/army workers leaked information about CRIMINAL and sometimes even childlis behaviour off USA government representatives. ( for examole Hillary Clinton ordering the spying on foreign diplomats ) and now the ones who did these crimes are trying to brush their wrong doings by accusing him being a thieft and a soy?
Well whatta hell did Assange spy?
Originally posted by PETROLCOIN
Is the rest of this country completely brain dead? Does the question "How can Assange be charged for releasing documents exposing criminal actions while those responsible for the criminal actions are not charged?" ever occur to anyone besides about .000000001% of the population?
I'm surrounded by absolute retards, I swear. How can anyone be proud of this country or proud to be a citizen of it? I sure as hell am not.
When the brick walls came up, and there was no chane assange was going to return voluntarily, it looks like they issued an arrest warrant based on the 4 charges i order to extradite.
Fruit of the poisonous tree is a legal metaphor in the United States used to describe evidence that is obtained illegally. The logic of the terminology is that if the source of the evidence (the "tree") is tainted, then anything gained from it (the "fruit") is as well.
Such evidence is not generally admissible in court. For example, if a police officer conducted an unconstitutional (Fourth Amendment) search of a home and obtained a key to a train station locker, and evidence of a crime came from the locker, that evidence would most likely be excluded under the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine. The discovery of a witness is not evidence in itself because the witness is attenuated by separate interviews, in-court testimony and his or her own statements.
The doctrine is an extension of the exclusionary rule, which, subject to some exceptions, prevents evidence obtained in violation of the Fourth Amendment from being admitted in a criminal trial. Like the exclusionary rule, the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine is intended to deter police from using illegal means to obtain evidence.
The doctrine is subject to four main exceptions. The tainted evidence is admissible if:
1.it was discovered in part as a result of an independent, untainted source;
2.it would inevitably have been discovered despite the tainted source; or
3.the chain of causation between the illegal action and the tainted evidence is too attenuated; or
4.the search warrant not based on probable cause was executed by government agents in good faith.
The fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine stems from the 1920 case of Silverthorne Lumber Co. v. United States.
Out of curiosity why do we need people like assange?
Originally posted by Xcathdra
He has 4 charges/counts facing him in Sweden. Spin it however you want to make yourself feel better about this.
Are you related to Ooozyy by chance? You both seem to have a knack for ignoring facts and talking in circles.edit on 11-12-2010 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)