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Originally posted by FreeSafety
reply to post by 46ACE
I just used 90 as an arbitrary number. Could've said 60, or 70 or any other number and the point would have been just as valid.
As to the 5 guys having a beer- totally different scenario. In that scenario all five are getting an equal part to each other, and of course it should cost each of them the same. A much better scenario to explain what I'm saying is this one. Let's say those five guys all decide to split a bottle of tequila, guy 1 drinks 5% of the bottle, guy two drinks 10%, guy 3 drinks 20%, guy 4 drinks 25% and guy 5 drinks 40%. Now let's say the bottle cost $100 at the bar they're at. Shouldn't guy 5 pay his $40 for what he received, instead of claiming guys 1 and 2 should pay more than their meager shares? Since guy 5 drank 40% of the bottle, he should pay for 40% of the cost. That's all I'm saying. Any number can be inserted there, 90 was just the one I chose in my previous post.
Originally posted by arbitrarygeneraiist
So what I gather from all this back and forth is that tax breaks for the wealthy do help to create jobs. But the people and the companies receiving these tax breaks are investing and spending it to create jobs and businesses overseas (most likely because its cheaper), which rarely helps the United States.
Why are companies investing overseas and outsourcing jobs, and what can be done to fix this? Because if the rich want tax breaks, they need to invest and create jobs in the US, not elsewhere. Otherwise it creates a situation where the people do not witness any productive use of those tax breaks. And if the government wants more money, they need to quit wasting it and spending it irresponsibly by giving the already insanely rich even more wealth, and calling it a "bailout."
And officials wonder why the people aren't happy with the government or the wealthy.
Some actual constructive reform needs to be done. But is such a thing actually achievable without the reform being abused? History says no, government reform will ultimately be abused. So what kind of common ground can be met where something is actually achieved? Not just in theory, but in fact and practice.
Originally posted by Flatfish
reply to post by johnny2127
Did it ever dawn on any of your people to look at the revenue side of this picture. Seriously, the problem is not what we're paying out, it's what we're taking in. The taxes that support these social programs have continually shrunk as more and more american jobs are outsourced overseas and the worker who's taxes used to fund them is no more.
Ask yourself this; What are these corporations who outsource american jobs overseas doing with the money they are saving by not paying S.S. and Medicare taxes in a foreign nation? Or how come companies like NIKE don't try to sell their shoes for $200 per pair in China or Pakistan where they made them? www1.american.edu...
Outsourcing and government subsidies amount to nothing more than modern day slavery and the process is literally robing the american system of the resources necessary to sustain our standard of living.
The real culprit is "Corporate Welfare." It is estimated that for every dollar spent in this country on social welfare programs, three dollars are spent on corporate welfare so if you're going to holler about welfare, let's talk about the head of the snake.