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Originally posted by FreeSafety
Originally posted by lpowell0627We need to put the money in the hands of those most likely to spend it. That would be the rich.
You surely don't believe that. Rich people don't get rich by spending money they don't need to spend.
Yes, the rich are the ones who hire those with less than they have. HOWEVER, they only hire people when the workers they already have can't keep up with the demand for their products or services. They don't hire simply because they have more money and decide to do someone a favor and give them a job. To create jobs, you must increase consumer spending. The only way to increase consumer spending is to put money in the hands of people who NEED it, because they need to spend it.
Give a rich man $3,000. How much of it will he spend? Not much of it, if any at all, because that money doesn't even make a noticeable difference to him. He puts it in the bank or in the market to let it make him more money.
Give a person who struggles financially $1,000. How much will he spend? $1,000. Maybe he puts the new tires on his car that he's been needing. Maybe he gets his propane tank filled to heat his home for the winter. Maybe he replaces the ten-year-old television in his living room. Whatever he does, he spends that money because he needs to.
The rich person's lifestyle is less affected in the down economy than those who struggle to get by.When the less fortunate have money, they have to spend it. Their spending creates a surge in the economy, because it increases consumer demand.
Over the past 3 years, in the industrial sector, there was a sharp reversal of policy concerning stored products. Companies, just four years ago, were keeping finished goods inventory on-hand so they could fill orders at a moments notice. As the economy declined, those same companies started stressing JIT, or just-in-time, production. They now want to have the order placed before they create the part, and they want the finished good to roll off the assembly line and go directly onto the transportation vehicle to the distributor. They want to sit on no inventory whatsoever, basically because they fear being stuck holding the bag if and when the distributor goes under. What that means is rather than needing your workers to turn out all the products they can over the course of their shift, the companies now want them to turn out just enough to fill that day's orders. Once they get that day's orders filled, the companies need them to stop, which frees them up to do another job- which means the company needs fewer workers. Additionally, it means no warehouse workers, because you don't need a warehouse when you don't keep any inventory on hand.
Edit to add: If you look at many of the arguments in favor of taxing the rich, it boils down to jealously. Would I love to have millions at my disposal? Sure. But I don't. I also don't begrudge those that have attained wealth and are in control of the marketplace and the direction in which businesses head.
Some people may be jealous, but that doesn't describe most. The rich own the most of the wealth, and their tax burdens- all loopholes considered- don't match up with the amount of the country's wealth they own.
People are quick to say "he/she has too much money, it's not fair". But they don't take the time to see where that money goes and how it does benefit those of us with less.
I've never seen or heard anyone say it's not fair for someone to have whatever amount of money they have. What I see people saying is "if you own 90% of the wealth, then you owe 90% of the tax burden". That's not jealousy, that's common sense.
Originally posted by FreeSafety
Again, poor people can not offer you employment
Not directly. Indirectly, however, it's the poor and middle class having to spend what money they have that creates the need for jobs, and jobs are only created when there's a need for them.
The nation’s workers may be struggling, but U.S. companies just had their best quarter ever.
U.S. businesses earned profits at an annual rate of $1.659 trillion in the third quarter, according to a Commerce Department report released Tuesday. That is the highest figure recorded since the government began keeping track over 60 years ago, at least in nominal or noninflation-adjusted terms.
Corporate profits have been doing extremely well for a while. Since their cyclical low in the fourth quarter of 2008, profits have grown for seven consecutive quarters, at some of the fastest rates in history.
OK I will bit.... Millionaires. try that for size.
Why are you asking such a question?
Are you perhaps a lawyer.
Do you not know the rich when you see them...
Here try this one . The rich are the people 20% of the population that own 80% of the wealth.
So go ahead and make your point..
If you had one that is
Tax breaks for the rich create new jobs?
How?
Argument 1: business' will be able to hire more people
Argument 2: It will help people create new companies that give jobs to people.
Argument 3: They already pay so much in taxes, why should they be forced to pay more?
5 million+ net worth. If a person is making 600k a year, they are rich. Hell anything above 100k a year is considered rich when comparing to 20k a year like most low income.
Originally posted by Steam
reply to post by zero1020
Answer this: Can you tell me who is "rich" please?
How much does your salary have to be in order to be "rich"???
Originally posted by illuminnaughty
Well the rich will be able to hire more butlers and gardeners. They could also hire a new cook and even splash out on a hooker or two...
I'm gonna call troll on this one. Nobody is stupid enough to make that argument unless they expect angry responses in return. Don't bother replying because I won't read it.
Originally posted by Steam
reply to post by zero1020
OK, so considering that logic someone who makes 20k a year is rich compared to someone who survives on $4 a day.
Where do you draw the line then???
Originally posted by zero1020
5 million+ net worth. If a person is making 600k a year, they are rich. Hell anything above 100k a year is considered rich when comparing to 20k a year like most low income.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by illuminnaughty
Well the rich will be able to hire more butlers and gardeners. They could also hire a new cook and even splash out on a hooker or two...
There was a post on NYT from a rich person. He honestly said that with the extra money, he doesn't plan to hire even more cooks, gardeners, hookers or politicians.
Case in point: tax the very rich.
Well for the people not living like sardines in the sky 100k a year goes a very long way. When considering riches, the bottom line should always be just enough to afford home and food. Realistically you do not need those fancy cars and 5 bedroom houses. And if you do own those things, great, you're considered rich by most of the population.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by zero1020
5 million+ net worth. If a person is making 600k a year, they are rich. Hell anything above 100k a year is considered rich when comparing to 20k a year like most low income.
That's not a bad assessment at all. Tweak the numbers all you want, but that's a good starting point. As an aside note, 100k only go as far in places like NYC (been there, was paid that) -- honestly, you can't buy luxury or simply nice housing on an income like that. Just saying. I also lived there on 11k a year (paycheck), so please don't put a silver spoon in my mouth.
Wait, so you're saying if rich people paid their fair share, the minority of people wouldn't be holding the majority of wealth?
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by thewholepicture
I will agree that the wealthy pay more in taxes than any other tax bracket, but that is because they can afford it.
So because they are smart enough to be able to make more money, they should be punished for it? Just because someone makes more money than you do, that's not an excuse to steal it from them just to hand it to those who don't - or won't - earn a living. It's THEIR money .. and we aren't entitled to take it. That makes them slaves to the state.
If people aren't careful, those that make the big $$$ (and they pay almost all the taxes) will either take their money elsewhere or they won't bother to make it anymore. Why should they work at making it if it's only going to be taken away? Read Atlas Shrugged. It's pretty darn accurate.
Well they aren't called the Party of No for nothing.
Originally posted by SeventhSeal
It's amazing how Obama is extending Tax Cuts and yet, the Republicans will still give him crap. Shows you these people really are immature crybabies.
Obama needs to STAND UP against the Righties and show who's boss.
Oh and tax breaks for the rich doesn't create jobs. Once again...the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.edit on 11-12-2010 by SeventhSeal because: (no reason given)