Originally posted by PETROLCOIN

Originally posted by Jeanius
Can you show me something that can change my mind about him?

Well, you just lost a poster to your thread. Ron Paul haters don't like being asked to provide facts. She most likely won't come back. If she does, it will be a post that completely dodges your challenge.

Keep this post in mind. I'm predicting it.

Anyway, great speech. True patriot. There's no doubt where his loyalties lie. I'm pretty tired of people hating on him, especially since it's so obvious they hate on him just because he's popular, so they feel they can get the attention they seek by targeting him. Because if they were truly against corrupt politicians, they would be targeting Barack Obama as well.

1. I'm only interested in facts.

2. If I were you, I'd put the crystal ball back in the closet and keep your day job.

3. LOL! No one, no one, no one "hates" Ron Paul because of your delusional belief in his "popularity".

4. As I have repeatedly stated, my problems with him narrow down to his stance on taxes and women's rights.

5. Obama and his minions have absolutely nothing to do with this conversation, but way to go with the text book diversionary tactics. Try harder next time.

Originally posted by thunderlady


4. As I have repeatedly stated, my problems with him narrow down to his stance on taxes and women's rights.

What makes you get your ideas on his ideas womens rights, can you show me where he has said something about denying rights to women?

Or how about a quote or two on his stance on fire departments that you said you didn't like.

And like you say,

Originally posted by thunderlady

1. I'm only interested in facts.

So far you've produced exactly zero.

Originally posted by Jeanius

Originally posted by thunderlady


4. As I have repeatedly stated, my problems with him narrow down to his stance on taxes and women's rights.

What makes you get your ideas on his ideas womens rights, can you show me where he has said something about denying rights to women?

Or how about a quote or two on his stance on fire departments that you said you didn't like.

And like you say,

Originally posted by thunderlady

1. I'm only interested in facts.

So far you've produced exactly zero.

edit on 10-12-2010 by Jeanius because: (no reason given)

We all do? You're now speaking for everyone? Arrogant, much? Jeanius has said s/he isn't aware of his positions on either of these topics.

It's not that difficult to do a Google search. Really. Give it a try.

Originally posted by thunderlady
He does not believe in a woman's right to have autonomy over her own body.

Hooray propaganda!

Ron Paul is personally against abortion. Yes, that is true. But you are twisting this to support your flawed argument because what you have either missed or are purposely leaving out is that he has gone on record stating he would never support a law that made abortion illegal.

I suppose because you are so used to politicians forcing their personal opinions into their legislation that you just assumed he was the same without doing any research. Why don't you take your own advice and Google it?

Originally posted by thunderlady
And he doesn't believe in taxes which means no public funding for roads or fire departments, etc.

Again, please get your facts straight.

He doesn't believe in a Federal income tax. The Federal income tax does not pay for the roads nor the fire departments. The tax on gasoline pays for the roads. Local and state taxes pay for the fire departments.

Are you done with your flawed, mislead, and misinformed argument?

Originally posted by thunderlady
By your own confession, you know nothing about Ron Paul's political platform.

By your own confession, you not only know nothing about his stance on abortion, but you also know nothing about the tax system in this country.

You collected 50% of the knowledge regarding his stance on abortion. Go collect the other 50%. You know of his personal opinion, now go find his political stance on it rather than assuming they are one in the same. Because - sorry to burst your bubble - but they aren't.

Go read up on where your taxes go as well.

Until then, don't bother debating. Your "facts" are incorrect.

Originally posted by PETROLCOIN

Originally posted by thunderlady
He does not believe in a woman's right to have autonomy over her own body.

Hooray propaganda!

Ron Paul is personally against abortion. Yes, that is true. But you are twisting this to support your flawed argument because what you have either missed or are purposely leaving out is that he has gone on record stating he would never support a law that made abortion illegal.

I suppose because you are so used to politicians forcing their personal opinions into their legislation that you just assumed he was the same without doing any research. Why don't you take your own advice and Google it?

Originally posted by thunderlady
And he doesn't believe in taxes which means no public funding for roads or fire departments, etc.

Again, please get your facts straight.

He doesn't believe in a Federal income tax. The Federal income tax does not pay for the roads nor the fire departments. The tax on gasoline pays for the roads. Local and state taxes pay for the fire departments.

Are you done with your flawed, mislead, and misinformed argument?

I'm not twisting anything. He said under duress and after decades of holding a different position. I don't trust Kucinich on abortion either. Both knew they had to give lip service to the pro-choice contingent to get votes and they did it.

Sales taxes alone, unless they are jacked to 3000 times what they currently are, will not pay for public roads, fire departments, police officers or schools, etc. and you well know it.

Originally posted by thunderlady
1. I'm only interested in facts.

You haven't shown that in this thread.

Originally posted by thunderlady
2. If I were you, I'd put the crystal ball back in the closet and keep your day job.

I was correct. You have backed up your argument with no facts.

Originally posted by thunderlady
3. LOL! No one, no one, no one "hates" Ron Paul because of your delusional belief in his "popularity".

You have proven you do. You have misguided opinions of his political views.

Originally posted by thunderlady
4. As I have repeatedly stated, my problems with him narrow down to his stance on taxes and women's rights.

Which you know nothing about.

Originally posted by thunderlady
5. Obama and his minions have absolutely nothing to do with this conversation, but way to go with the text book diversionary tactics. Try harder next time.

It was relevant. Way to reveal yourself as an Obama supporter.