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Anonymous and 4chan - Ran by the CSA?

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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:37 PM
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The whole thread is predicated on a link that says CSA, not DoJ. Read it and substitute Boy Scouts of America, BSA and see if it makes sense. Sure it does, semantically.

The point Ritz (if I may use Crakeur's first name) and others are trying to make is that assumptions were made based upon something that makes no sense at all.

Go to the UFO forum and find all the abduction threads. Now substitute "alien" with "estranged uncle". Voila. Sense ensues, although you've totally changed the point of the entire thread.




posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:39 PM
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Go up and read my last two posts... I already explained that.

I know you are stuck on this and there is no point, but at least give it a try will ya?

I know it is easy to jump on the easiest targets here at ATS, but sometimes it is good to take a longer look at things before you dismiss them completely.

I'm done, I have no more time for this ignorance.




posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:40 PM
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Alright, Crackeur, Fractured.Facade. You two just keep talking right past each other. That deeply frustrates me. Little neurosis of mine.

F.F: Crackeur's point is that the OP does not make any sense as it is written. The OP is saying that Child Sexual Abuse might run 4chan. That is absurd.

Crackeur: F.F's point is that the intended content of the OP was "What if a government agency is running 4chan?", and that's pretty clearly the point the OP was trying to make. F.F. thinks that this thread should be dedicated to discussing that generalized possibility, and I tend to agree.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:40 PM
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for all of you "the government is going to shut down the internet because of this" mindset, please answer the following question to the best of your knowledge -

What was DARPA's original purpose behind creating the internet?

If you truly know the answer to that question, which I'm sure many out there do...then you know that you can't "shut down" the internet. There is no "kill switch" or "off" button.

Monitor the internet is a different issue all together - but the internet isn't going anywhere.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:41 PM
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hey man i never said i believed it, i was just getting thoughts, i still trust anon and believe in this movement, i come to places like this to throw out random ideas and gather information, thats what life is isn't it? Gathering as much knowledge as possible.

People here at ATS eat up conspiracy crap, why not start my own?

The point isn't the CSA, but it was the involvement in generally, the stated takeover of the servers, which, if not a troll, could mean 4chans servers could be in anyone's hands.

Hell go to /b/ now and you will see a message from "moot" asking how to find Anon, you would think of all people, moot, would know that anon is not a person, but all of us.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by peck420
reply to post by Stryker Ops
 


None of that matters. Just like Assange to wikileaks.

They just got the luxury of becoming the name branded to the percieved problem. They got Alqieda'd.

Politics and public opinion rarely care or research the actual causes to problems. They take the name shown in the media and run with it.

PS: Anon will never be able to win a battle on a battlefield that could literally be turned off (worst case scenario) by your opponent. And, until private companies start building main trunk lines and launching their own sattelites (THAT INCLUDES THE LAUNCH VEHICLE), the government will have complete control over the medium that we run our internet on. No communications - no internet.


I capitalized the Launch vehicle for added emphasis.


I think you are right on the money there man. Imagine the private sector launching their own satellite grids with their own vehicles and creating THEIR OWN infrastructure. It's a free capitalist market. Where will it go from there? PTB want's to CENTRALIZE powers, not let the private sector DECENTRALIZE everything including the average Joe's company that could be able to launch it's own grid with it's half owned launch vehicle sometime 10 to 20 years in the future. There can't be any Global government if the average Joe can own and develop his own infrastructure and is able to even have access in to space. So they have to chip away bit by bit before anyone realizes, especially the able and ingenious private sector, about how grim will the real future be according to the demands of the Globalists.

Let's see now, who talks in favor of a Global government and also state they hate capitalism?
How they decide to bring the internet down? With a ...revolution. Riiiight. Had the Bolsheviks done anything different? They also created a "revolution" and they also ceased peoples liberties. Corporate capitalist sector does not really want limiting of freedoms because that would really put it out of existence.

Limit the means by which the people develop their business, then economy sufers, then ;people suffer then you can have a "revolution" and then a Global Government.
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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:46 PM
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reply to post by Solasis
 


and, by my pointing out that nobody read the link, I should also point out that the entire content of that link says that 4chan/anon/moot whatever are working with the feds. In what capacity? In an ongoing Child Sexual Abuse case.

It doesn't say anything about anyone controlling anon, pulling strings etc.

But nobody reads anything other than the first post anymore, as is evidenced by the continuing claims of the CSA running anon after one member poked fun, calling it the Canadian Space Agency and, again, after I first pointed out the lunacy in the premise of the thread.


Agreed, there's no point harping on the initials for the group running anon, as claimed by the OP because the OP is based on a message board discussion regarding the cooperation being afforded the authorities in a kiddie porn investigation.

How that translates into anything else is beyond me.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
I'm done, I have no more time for this ignorance.



That's all we were waiting on, your admission and withdrawl.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by doom27
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Hell go to /b/ now and you will see a message from "moot" asking how to find Anon, you would think of all people, moot, would know that anon is not a person, but all of us.


Hahahahaha that thread is funny. I'm pretty sure Moot was making a joke. Pointing out that Anonymous is not a person; that when you do not use a name on /b/ you default to being called "Anonymous"; it's just funny, man.

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It also goes along the lines of the what if wikileaks is psiops. What if they decided in 08 that they would use anon when the time comes, and here comes wikileaks, by successfully taking wiki over, and using anon as a weapon to "support" wiki, they could get the "risks" of anon to the public eye.


That's from the OP. That's how it translates to something else.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:52 PM
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To everyone in the thread -

Stop Bitching.

I screwed up my bad, while at work i tried to slam together something in the morning to check it out throughout the day.

CSA doesn't exist. I would think Child Sexual Abuse Agency. You put the A(s) together as one.

Evidently i was totally wrong.

I would change my topic title, but well, i'm new here, i don't know how, my bad i'm a noob, call the squad.

If Possible, mr site admin, change CSA to TPTB, because you guys love that term so much.

The point is, although i do not believe, we are all here because we all have a common interest, the truth and conspiracy. I'm throwing out something that "could have" happened and To be Honest, knowing the corruption, i could see it, although i don't want to believe it it is possible.

Everyone in here has valid points, keep up the discussion, but don't bring up mundane crap to put each other down.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:53 PM
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reply to post by Solasis
 


i'm OP dude.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:58 PM
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reply to post by doom27
 


I know. The part about the joke was addressed to you about Moot's thread on /b/. The part quoting from the OP was addressed to Crakeur in defense of your thread.
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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 04:05 PM
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Rather than change it, just keep talking about how it might be possible that a kiddie porn investigation into 4chan, possibly, led to moot making a deal with the feds which, in turn, might have resulted in 4chan being infiltrated by gov't operatives pulling the strings.


Our esteemed Mr.Old.School. posited that very theory in the Q&A with anon thread.

here's his post:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

anything is possible but, in this case, I'm not buying the theory. I think Mr.Old.School's source is feeding information, or being fed information, in an effort by government agencies to crack down on leaks.

by spreading rumors inside the gov't offices and then following the spread of that story they can, in theory, locate the loose lipped individuals and tighten their own security, hopefully reducing the leaks.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 04:14 PM
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The obvious problem is that someone posts incorrect information which no one bothers to look up and decide for themselves if its valid or not before chicken little-ing it. The alphabets arent the issue. WAAAAAY too much of this happening lately, particularly since the wiki BS. Its not only on the OP but on the other users who would rather swallow everything hook line or sinker rather than taking a few seconds to confirm or deny the content of the OP. Im sure some assume that someone would confirm their information before posting it.. but stop assuming it for Gods sake. People make mistakes, blatantly lie to stir the natives up and some are just goofy enough to believe what someone said somewhere else and post it here as gospel.

I deal with this all of the time dealing with my kids. Someone says something or starts a rumor and before really looking at anything critically, the kids run with it and do the lemming race. I expect a hell of a lot more out of the adults here who are supposedly denying ignorance.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 04:14 PM
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When Mr.Assange turned himself in, he must have known things like the "Anon" attacks would transpire. Thats another reason it doesn't matter them steering clear of the "attacks". I mean, Julian never said anything stupid like "Hackers of the world, don't try to defend us".... Not that I think he was necessarily provoking them intentionally....
Its hard to see whether this is all an intentional plan to go after the internet by some form of our government. I would like to believe it is not. And Wikileaks (and most of us for that matter) already knew the government was going to cast restrictions on the internet anyway. May as well start a fight, see if the people have a chance of winning.
Personally, I think 4Chan is too retarded to have anything to do with the government- though I certainly support they're actions....



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 05:03 PM
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I was thinking CSA might stand for "Cyber Security Agency", but I can't find any evidence that there's any government agency with that name....



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 07:16 PM
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I thought Anon was non violent? Isn't that the information stated in their letter? So .. we just conjuring speculation and hearsay?



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 09:28 PM
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or Canadian Standards Agency, or as I considered Child Support Agency

CSA is a VERY commonly used three letter agency in the UK.


Everyone else was discussing the CSA like it existed and was eeeeevil.


By the way it is.......very eeeeeeeeeeeevil!!!

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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by Asktheanimals
I had a similar suspicion about who "anon" really was, though my answer was a little different.
No matter, it reaches the same conclusion.
Problem/reaction/solution=Wikileaks/anon/end of net neutrality
yet another government contractor used to keep their hands clean.
They think they're so clever,


/anon is 4chan. and they do it "for the lolz"

I really don't think this is a conspiracy

(Or maybe Im the government and Im trollin!?) lol

Anyways...of course the government of will use this and wiki leaks as an excuse to pass net neutrality.
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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by MrDesolate
Why would the Canadian Space Agency want to run 4chan?


Got to love somebody with a good sence of humer



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