Originally posted by unityemissions
I never mentioned organic, and was responding to a post in which you mentioned the need for GMO products.
Originally posted by unityemissions
There is no resource we don't already have in abundance to feed the world. Name just one. Arable land often comes up. I'm sure you already know that the hydroponic/aeroponics method takes care of that problem.
Originally posted by unityemissions
You can't reasonably tell me that the nearly 7 billion minds on this planet can't come up with some innovative means to adequately feed each and every one of us. So what's truly holding humanity back? Legislation and finances. That's the reality of the situation. This is not about being incapable, it's about corporate profits. It's more cost effective to use all these agricultural methods which sicken humanity.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
But we have been using artifical selection for well over 3000 years and have not yet run into problems. All genetic engineering does is to accelerate the process. Instead of breeding 200 generations we take a shortcut. That to me is perfectly acceptable but as i say i do take major issues when a company engineers a plant to produce a pesticide, simply because when we ingest that plant we ingest that pesticide.
Or a "Terminator Gene" That could theoretically cross species contaminate to other non food plants and or animals? Here is the issue. They are or have rather already cornered the market and have set the guidelines. With no or very little real independent research.
The implications of what they are trying to do seems for some too big to achieve, but let lose some mutating seeds in nature in strategic areas of the world and then let nature take its course and seat back an watch what is going to happen in a few decades as the world goes hungry for lack of fertile seeds.
Earth population 'exceeds limits'
There are already too many people living on Planet Earth, according to one of most influential science advisors in the US government.
Nina Fedoroff told the BBC One Planet programme that humans had exceeded the Earth's "limits of sustainability".
George Kukla, together with Robert Matthews of Brown University, convened a conference in 1972 entitled “The Present Interglacial: How and When will it End?”, and reported it in Science magazine... [note the date]
Kukla and Matthews alerted President Richard Nixon, and as a result the US Administration set up a Panel on the Present Interglacial involving the State Department and other agencies. None of us knew then that the mid-century cooling was about to be punctuated by a warming spell from the late 1970s to the mid 1990s.... [again note the dates]
A more definitive confirmation of Milankovitch came in 1976, in a paper by Hays, Imbrie and Shackleton, using Shackleton’s data in the figure above. But long before either that paper or my own, there was widespread behind-the-scenes acceptance of Milankovitch, and Kukla, for one, was concerned about the implications.....
George Kukla: Well almost all of us have been pretty sure that there were only four ice ages, separated by relatively long warm intervals. But now we know that there were twenty in the last two million years. And the warm periods are much shorter than we believed originally. They are something around 10,000 years long. and I’m sorry to say that the one we are living in now has just passed its 10,000 year birthday. That of course means that the ice age is due now any time.
James D. Hays, Columbia University Ph.D. 1964, spent the late ‘60’s developing, in cooperation with Lamont colleagues, a chronostratigraphic framework for deep-sea sediments by connecting the land-dated record of Earth’s magnetic field reversals with marine stratigraphic datums
By 1970 Hays realized that this marine chronostratigraphy... could form the basis of a global study of Pleistocene climates. He asked John Imbrie to join the Lamont group and the CLIMAP project was born. Hays then asked Nick Shackelton to join CLIMAP and generate an oxygen isotope record of benthic and planktonic microfossils in a Pacific core.
It was this careful pre-CLIMAP and early CLIMAP chronostratigraphic work that allowed Hays, Imbrie and Shackelton to show, through analyses in both the frequency and time domains, that Earth’s orbital variations control the timing of climate change on ice age time scales, proving the theory that Milankovitch contributed so much to developing.
Solar activity reaches new high - Dec 2, 2003 physicsworld.com...
" Geophysicists in Finland and Germany have calculated that the Sun is more magnetically active now than it has been for over a 1000 years. Ilya Usoskin and colleagues at the University of Oulu and the Max-Planck Institute for Aeronomy say that their technique – which relies on a radioactive dating technique - is the first direct quantitative reconstruction of solar activity based on physical, rather than statistical, models (I G Usoskin et al. 2003 Phys. Rev. Lett. 91 211101)
...SDO is going to launch during the deepest solar minimum in almost 100 years....
...All stars are variable at some level, and the sun is no exception. We want to compare the sun's brightness now to its brightness during previous minima and ask: is the sun getting brighter or dimmer?"
The answer seems to be dimmer. Measurements by a variety of spacecraft indicate a 12-year lessening of the sun's "irradiance" by about 0.02% at visible wavelengths and 6% at EUV wavelengths. These results, which compare the solar minimum of 2008-09 to the previous minimum of 1996, are still very preliminary... nasa-information.blogspot.com...
hands down, Monsanto must be the most evil company the world has ever seen...
heres is what they say on the UK website
Monsanto is an agricultural company. We apply innovation and technology to help farmers around the world produce more while conserving more. We help farmers grow yield sustainably so they can be successful, produce healthier foods, better animal feeds and more fiber, while also reducing agriculture's impact on our environment.
I don't disagree with you, the terminator gene is a disgusting piece of technology and i am not understating it when i call it a crime against humanity. The idea that you prevent a people from growing crops is so horribly shocking i can't understand why it isn't a crime.
But we have been using artifical selection for well over 3000 years and have not yet run into problems. All genetic engineering does is to accelerate the process.
Thanks for the links, I am watching closely the global warming debate,I love history specially the history of the earth I have been following the reports that nobody wants to know about and are dismissed by the government.
One of the goals of the ban’s ruling is to determine how the GMO crop impacts the life cycle of the non-GMO and organic crops. And as you can probably guess, Monsanto is used to getting what Monsanto wants.
Monsanto and their grower friends don’t want to wait for analysis of how their controversial GMO crops could be affecting the regular non GMO crops. Monsanto is trying to scare and or bully the USDA into accepting Monsanto’s judgment about the sugar market.
They want everyone to believe that things will collapse without Monsanto’s benevolent business sense. Let’s not kids ourselves about what’s going on here.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Judge orders Monsanto GMO sugar beets destroyed
A federal judge has ruled - for the first time in US history - that a genetically modified (GM) crop be destroyed.
This led an angry Judge White to order the controversial beets destroyed. Monsanto had a fit over the legal ban last month.
Monsanto and their various groups of cronies are attempting to bypass the ruling and basically re-legalize the planting of their beets. The same ruling that came about because the USDA is worried about the potential unknown dangers of Monsanto’s engineered “food”.
People wonder why Monsanto is viewed as an evil dummy corporation full of maniacal super scientists. They act like they are above the law.
They petition government agencies like safety rules weren’t meant to apply to them. It’s like they are trying to prove a point that nobody can stop Monsanto from controlling and owning all of the world’s food supply.
We must not let them... Monsanto, Bayer and all the others... must be stopped!
Stop the Hysteria! A Closer Look at HR 875
For the past few weeks the internet has been abuzz with conversations about HR 875, aka the “Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009.” [PDF] This Congressional bill is primarily aimed at creating a new Food Safety Agency and improving our food safety systems, but has been blasted by many food and farm-loving activists who warn that it is the spawn of Monsanto and it will make organic farming and backyard gardening illegal. Scary stuff – but is it true?
When I first started reading about HR 875 it quickly became clear that something was missing from all the criticisms: endorsement from a reputable environmental or food organization. Call me naïve, but I tend to look to well-established, science-based institutions to help me decide which issues I should get on board with...
There are more constructive things we food activists could be doing with our time than fighting against this relatively benign – and probably even beneficial – bill.....
Food safety systems.
Cargill is building food safety systems based on the standards and principles of Codex Alimentarius; animal health systems based on the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) principles; and plant health issues based on the International Plant Protection Commission (IPPC) principles for plant health issues. These systems are based on prevention, intervention and response to enhance public health outcomes. If used in a consistent, global fashion throughout the food industry and governments, they will help to create transparent, harmonized, science-based, global food safety systems... www.cargill.com...