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Originally posted by amazed
Not once did I make a comment stating "people hear genetic engineering and think they will somehow take these genes into their own genome." Where did you get that from what I said? I DO believe it can be harmful to humans, and harmful to the environment. If YOU like it, eat it, but I should have the right to choose NON GMO foods. But I do not have that right, because foods are not labeled GMO.
Originally posted by amazed
Again, I don't care how much GMO apologist claim genetic engineering and natural selection = the same thing, I recognize it is NOT. Nature does NOT put scorpion genes into cabbage, or silk spider genes into goat milk, or human genes into chicken eggs. GENETIC engineering by humans is what does that. Not to say that if I was starving, and I found a scorpion, I wouldn't eat it, I just may.
Originally posted by amazed
Scientists have recently taken the gene that programs poison in scorpion tails and combined it with cabbage. Why would they want to create venomous cabbage? To limit pesticide use while still preventing caterpillars from damaging cabbage crops. These genetically modified cabbages produce scorpion poison that kills caterpillars when they bite leaves — but the toxin is modified so it isn’t harmful to humans.
People may soon be getting vaccinated for diseases like hepatitis B and cholera by simply taking a bite of banana.
Is any of that in the food chain? I somehow doubt it, that stuff is in labs and covered fields but looking at it i don't see the issue.
January 8th 2010 ~ "global hunger is as much to do with power and control of the food system as with growing enough food".
"Critics of GM point out that a UN-sponsored four-year review, involving more than 400 international scientists and chaired by Watson, concluded in 2007 that GM technologies were unlikely to have more than a limited role in tackling global hunger. According to the Watson-led review, the scientific evidence on the claimed benefits of GM suggests they are variable, with increases in yield in some areas but decreases in others, and both greater and lesser pesticide use in different contexts. The report concluded that global hunger is as much to do with power and control of the food system as with growing enough food. www.guardian.co.uk...
Interesting then that a contributor to the FAO's Forum, Professor El-Tayeb, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Industrial Biotechnology at Cairo University commented that: "..currently available (GMO's) mostly contribute negatively to poverty alleviation and food security - and positively to the stock market." www.warmwell.com...
"... Scientists have found genetically engineered insecticide in crops can leak and kill beneficial soil fungi" and the article notes: "Official trials in Britain showed that growing GM crops was worse for wildlife than cultivating conventional ones. Worse, genes escape from the modified plants to create superweeds and to contaminate normal and organic crops..." Read Geoffrey Lean's articlewww.independent.co.uk...
Extract from concluding Q and A section::
"Can they feed the world?
Almost certainly not. Despite all the hype, present GM varieties actually have lower yields than their conventional counterparts. The seeds are expensive to buy and grow, so wealthy developing-world farmers would tend to use them and drive poor ones out of business, increasing destitution. The biggest agricultural assessment ever conducted - chaired by Professor Robert Watson, now Defra's chief scientist - recently concluded that they would not do the job."http://www.warmwell.com/gm.html
Dr Robert Watson, Defra Chief Scientist, Farmers Guardian (30 Jan 2009, p.14) "We don't need GM to solve the hunger problem of today...David King [previous Government Chief Scientist who claimed hunger in Africa was because they had not embraced GM crops] was absolutely wrong. Farmers in Africa can't afford the better seeds, they have no access to fertilisers and sprays and they have severe constraints over irrigation - you don't need GM to solve that." Warmwell via www.soilassociation.org...
Soil Association press release reports that the Austrian Government's call for research in a long-term feeding trial found mice fed on GM corn or maize had fewer offspring and lower birth rates. is.gd...
"Unlike ordinary drugs or pesticides, which have to be tested for three-months in three mammalian species, then with one mammalian species for one year, and yet another for 2 years, current regulation does not require such tests for 'biopesticides' produced continuously in open fields; nor for the herbicides and herbicide residues accumulated by herbicide-tolerant GM crops. The two traits, biopesticides and herbicide tolerance now account for practically all GM crops grown in the world today." www.i-sis.org.uk...
According to a study by Jose Romero and Alicia Puyana carried out for the federal government of Mexico, between 1992 and 2002, the number of agricultural households fell an astounding 75% - from 2.3 million to 575, 000 www.globalexchange.org...
Farmer suicides in India: Now the full toll—surely among the largest sustained waves of suicides in human history—
.... Cultivation costs have shot up in these high input zones, with some inputs seeing cost hikes of several hundred per cent... Meanwhile, prices have crashed, as in the case of cotton, due to massive U.S.-EU subsidies to their growers. All due to price rigging with the tightening grip of large corporations over the trade in agricultural commodities." alternatives-international.net... www.counterpunch.org...
In the EU, there is now a list of 'official' vegetable varieties. Seed that is not on the list cannot be 'sold' to the 'public' To keep something on the list costs thousands of pounds each year...Hundreds of thousands of old heirloom varieties (the results of about eleven thousand years of plant breeding by our ancestors) are being lost forever, due to some rather poorly drafted EU legislation. www.realseeds.co.uk... & www.euroseeds.org..."
On February 23, after some hesitation, the French agriculture minister, Hervé Gaymard, ruled on the highly controversial issue of fipronil, an active ingredient used in insecticides, which beekeepers in southwest France claim has been responsible for deaths of billions of bees. He suspended the future sale and use of several fipronil-based products, including Regent, a seed coating currently produced by BASF, one of the world's largest chemicals manufacturers. Gaymard added, however, that this spring farmers will be allowed to sow fipronil-coated seeds already in their possession. Similarly, wholesalers will be permitted to dispose of all their existing stocks.
He charged the firms with "the sale of a toxic product harmful to the health of human beings and animals", "complicity in the destruction of livestock" and "the marketing of a product without authorisation"
Oh and pelase stop quoting from the African countries, they were duped. Green peace told a few of the countries that GM crops would kill all of their people, poisoning them and the African nations bought that, so now they're repeating green peace lines without evidence.
South African farmers suffered millions of dollars in lost income...
..Mayet says Monsanto was grossly understating the problem.According to her own information, some farms have suffered up to 80% crop failures. The centre is strongly opposed to GM-food and biologically-manipulated technology in general. "Monsanto says they just made a mistake in the laboratory, however we say that biotechnology is a failure. You cannot make a 'mistake' with three different varieties of corn." www.digitaljournal.com...
Yes we have allot of Government interference but the biggest thread to our survival is the Billion of American tax money and any other rich countries sending to Africa for poverty eradication.I will foreword you the article I wrote about the donor money to Africa.
The government and big malty national cooperation's are our number one enemy.In my village the large Sugar industry is killing us. first they asked people to clear the forests to grow sugar cane , sugar cane takes two years to harvest, but because of corruption it takes up to seven years sometimes if you do not pay kick back they will never come to harvest your sugar cane,and even if they cut after seven years they deduct so much fees that most small scale farmers wind up owing them money.
The worst thing they did is that they coursed so much land degradation of small farmers by using too much nitrogen phosphate chemical fertilizers and over relying on just one crop without rotation.This has created the top soil to be so acidic and since the villagers cleared the trees to make room for sugar cane crops there is nothing to prevent top soil from getting washed into the rivers then on to lake Victoria.Please google the effect of nitrogen phosphate into Lake Victoria and you can see the damage to the lake. All the river streams flowing into the Lake are carrying so much soil and Chemical fertilizers in such a way that in a few years there will be no Lake Victoria.Here is what new york Times write about ...
It's not just the State and Defense departments that are reeling this month from leaked documents. The Environmental Protection Agency now has some explaining to do, too. In place of dodgy dealings with foreign leaders, this case involves the German agrichemical giant Bayer; a pesticide with an unpronounceable name, clothianidin; and an insect species crucial to food production (as well as a food producer itself), the honeybee.
On February 13th, 2007 Dow Chemical settled with the SEC for $325,000 in an administrative case charging Dow's subsidiary DE-Nocil with bribing Indian officials in excess of $200,000 over a 6 year period to register Dow's pesticides in India.
Dow bribed officials to register Dursban in India - a product banned for home use in the United States because it has caused dozens of children permenant injury or even death.
About half of the world’s maize is grown in the United States,....each US farmer produces enough to feed more than 60 additional people.... More than 2.4 billion people are supported
by intensive subsistence agriculture.[feeds family with a little for trade] In the densely populated countries of Monsoon Asia such as India and China, it provides the economic base.
Although famines are associated with widespread crop failure, most are the result of social or political processes that disrupt traditional agricultural production strategies....
Why are so many million hungry and malnourished when there is more than enough food produced in the world each year, and which is adequate to feed everyone?
There are a number of social, economic, political and environmental reasons. War, the ownership of land and the structure of agriculture, commercialisation, poverty, the geography of food production and food aid are some of the important reasons. The hungry throughout the world have one common trait that they are poor. The landless and unemployed do not have means or money to acquire food. Commercialisation is aimed at exports, rather than providing subsistence food for the local people.
But tbh as i have already stated the way we farm is not sustainable and if we adopted hydroponics we could feed the world 8 times over using less land and virtually no pesticides.