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Yay, you actually tried to answer my questions. I'm giving you a star for effort before I even read the reply.[/q] Hello Mims (Is it ok to call you that ?) Well,I will do my best to do so and thank you for the star,i do appreciate it... As a divine human,That is,that God came to earth as a human being,He did this so that he could understand what it was to be human,to empathize with us.
Are real Christians trinitarian or unitarian?
I had to look these words up,hehe,Christianity generally holds that there is a trinity even tho the word is not mentioned in the Bible,
It's ok, I only really picked up the terms because I had to learn them as part of my religious education when I was religious.
But there is a word that I should point out, generally. It's not consistent, so where is the point on which the non-trinitarians are wrong?
There are numerous scriptures and stories that expound on there being three of them,
Jesus prayed to the Father and told his disciples that when he left the earth that the Father would send another,a comforter and councilor,that is the Holy Spirit,So there is context that shows them to be separate entities
yet of one and the same.
I might have missed something, but where did you show that they are one in the same?
Do real Christians observe Judaic law?
No,Thats for the Jewish people,They have some good precepts tho...
Again, I ask this as politely as possible, where is your justification for that claim?
The concept of Peter being anything more than a man is a man made concept as well,He is not esteemed in the Bible and more than anyone else and was given no position of power save that of being a disciple and friend of Jesus.
What about Matthew 16:18 where Jesus calls Peter the "Rock" upon which he will build his Church? Wasn't he known as Simon prior to this and became Peter because of this passage?
Do real Christians give Mary, the mother of Jesus, special privilege?[/]
No,She was a normal girl,Chosen by God to do something,as were many others,to ascribe to her
something more than that is idolatry.
Again, why? I'd like justification for these claims.
(Topical for today): Do real Christians think Mary was born without original sin?
No,she was subject to the same as everyone else,God must have thought her capable to do as he asked
tho,look after a baby and be obedient so she had something going for her.
Again, why? I'd like justification for these claims.
Do real Christians have Saints?
No,It is idolatry to put it bluntly,Who is a man?,There are no saints (in the sense that we know them) in the
bible,That is a man made concept,one that is born from men needing to esteem themselves in their own eyes.
Can I please have a bit more elaboration?
Are real Christians saved through "faith" or "works" or some combination of the two?
A tricky one,needing more words than i can type in a short time but through "Faith",that is trust
that what Jesus did was the payment for my sin,I can't buy my way into Heaven,to think that i can
is an affront to God and i shall surely pay a high price for that if that is my heart.
The "works"part is pertaining to"If i believe what i do then what i do will show what i believe"
But what about those who do immeasurable good but have absolutely no faith?
phew, I just know. That's how you have to take it from me. thank you
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
As per my response to this thread, I'd like to see if anyone can address the question of what a Christian truly is.
Is it possible to give a simple definition, or will you have to explore the following questions (taken from the aforementioned thread)
Does a real Christian see Jesus as merely a human, as a divine human, as a human that is both 100% human and 100% Yahweh, as a being that is 50% human and 50% Yahweh (or some other proportion, as I'm not going to bother writing out all possible proportions because that would be both silly and painful), or some other version I haven't bothered to mention?
Jesus must be seen as the way to God again.
Are real Christians trinitarian or unitarian? There is only one God, the rest of your worship do not compete all encompassing God.
Do real Christians observe Judaic law? The law is spiritual
Do real Christians subscribe to the Pope as the successor of Peter and thus extend Petrine privilege to him?
Do real Christians give Mary, the mother of Jesus, special privilege? nope, worship only one God. Do not take anyone above the Almighty, it would be foolish to do. It will lack in all things. God is almighty.
(Topical for today): Do real Christians think Mary was born without original sin? no
Do real Christians think Mary maintained her virginity throughout life? Was this because of a divine "instant regeneration of virginity" spell Yahweh placed upon her or was it simply because she abstained throughout life? She lived normal
Do real Christians have Saints? hm, good question, christian isn't therefore a saint, what is a saint? Must be more than a good friend.
Are real Christians saved through "faith" or "works" or some combination of the two? They were saved by God, God gives everybody a chance in regaining eternal life. Jesus is the way to God. Faith in JEsus comes spontaniously.
Do real Christians have to be "born again"? There is said, we die in christ and are newborn. Spiritual happening. You feel as before but with faith. :k
If yes, what would being "born again" entail? answer to previous question
What place does baptism have in the life of real Christians? like reminding Jesus with the act of drinking wine and eating bread. Keypoints??
Do real Christians interpret the Bible literally? Figuratively? Do they have a specific criteria for which parts are literal and which are not? Both, you'll be amazed when you read you have eternal life, that part must be taken literally, njah, it can ''only' be taken literally.
Which version of the Biblical canon do they accept? you know from yourself or will be guided to know what is true. The bible is only truth.
Do they give equal credence to the Old Testament? historybooks and books of law, books of wisdom, books for comfort.
Are real Christians creationists? aaaaaah, no, they are not. Although I don't quite get what creationists are.
If yes, are they old Earth or young Earth creationists?
If old Earth, is it a perpetual Earth that existed from the moment of creation or is it an Earth that was formed by Yahweh or natural processes later on in the existence of the universe? Once created to be in use forever. The earth is a disc the bible states.
If young Earth, exactly how young is the Earth for real Christians? 8000 years
Which version of the 10 commandments do real Christians accept? ??I believe you do as the commandments tell spontaniously out of love and respect for brothers and sisters. we are trained to be good.
Which version of the death of Jesus do real Christians accept? He died for our sin of death we inherited, as to say, Jesus Christ is the gift for eternal life.
Do real Christians see one Gospel as more important than the others? Nah
If so, which Gospel do real Christians hold up above the others? John, John was JEsus sweetest brother
What position do real Christians take on icons? I don't know Icons.
What opinion of women do real Christians have? life out of silence. she must suit her man.
Do real Christians allow women to teach? When she knows something to teach, ofcourse. Life is learning.
What is a real Christian's opinion of homosexuals? 1What the hell are you doing? 2I lost my wife. 3Give me a hand..
What is a real Christian's opinion of Jewish individuals? Be true to God.
And can you please provide arguments and evidence (be it Biblical or otherwise) to support your position?
Originally posted by bogomil
"You can't tell me atheistic leaders have had a rosey past because the track record is just terrible. But I know it isn't the theistic view that corrupts but the lust for power and greed"
I'll make a small, but relevant digression. I find the extremist-christian habit of putting everything in black/white rather annoying. Annoying, not in the sense of disagreeing with me (that's ofcourse OK), but annoying because it's used either as a deflection maneuver or as a preparing a way for ready-made answers.
Even when done unaware, it's still a demonstration of the christian inability to move outside the holy bubble, through using a semantic so bad, that count Korzybski would rotate in his grave.
Back to the subject: It's YOU putting up atheists with a shady reputation up as a kind of excuse for christian excesses. Just like some christians justify their shortcomings by muslims, buddhists, science or females showing their knees in public.
Christian extremists have probably the Guiness record of 'bigotry and 1001 ways to justify it'.
"In example, the famous witch hunt........"
I have noticed a recent attitude amongst christians of: "It wasn't that bad", comparable to neo-nazis, who claim that the kz-camps didn't exist.
Furthermore: "Some were accused because they had wealth, by killing them, their land was split amongst their heirs."
With the church acting as prosecutor, judge and jury. And with the church deciding on the amount of torture needed, ofcourse cheating on the rules made by impotent secular authorities.
You wrote: "Another example were the Knights Templar's who were wealthy people. They were murdered because of the greedy snakes who ruled."
Royalty wanted to grab the money, Rome gave the ideological justification for the slaughter.
You wrote: " We can all band together, theists and atheists, to fight off extremism from both sides".
Perfect. When you stop paying lip service to this principle and join honestly, I'll welcome you. Now you're just using it as a distraction from your one-way sympathies.
The basic christian manual, the bible, contains commands/instructions of atrocities only doctrinally paralled officially by nazism. The inter- and outer debate on christianity centers much on this, with inter-christian attitudes ranging considerably. Take away OT (then what about pauline redemption doctrine?), edit it (literalists raging and critics mocking about god's words being revisionable), hiding it in apocrypha (with new secterian schisms turning up, resulting in more 'heretics') or engaging in the rather (for me) comic effort of making semantic (but not logical) cover-ups with changing covenants etc.
Ask that short list of questions in the OP to 100 Christians and you will get 100 different answer combinations. Not 2 single people will agree perfectly on every single answer. This will stand true with 100 people of the same church.