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Originally posted by stupid girl
Does a real Christian see Jesus as merely a human, as a divine human, as a human that is both 100% human and 100% Yahweh, as a being that is 50% human and 50% Yahweh (or some other proportion, as I'm not going to bother writing out all possible proportions because that would be both silly and painful), or some other version I haven't bothered to mention?
1. Fully divine, fully human.
Are real Christians trinitarian or unitarian?
2. God is one all-pervading being. He is omnipotent and omniscient, but also capable of expressing Himself physically (Jesus) and spiritually (Holy Spirit).
Do real Christians observe Judaic law?
3. Only insomuch as the one which Jesus said summed up The Law and the prophets, "Do unto others whatever you would like them to do to you."
Do real Christians subscribe to the Pope as the successor of Peter and thus extend Petrine privilege to him?
4. To my knowledge, Peter was never the Pope of Rome which negates the Pope being his successor. As far as "Petrine privilege," I am not aware of anyone having the authority of absolution other than Jesus.
Do real Christians give Mary, the mother of Jesus, special privilege?
5. Special privilege? Like praying to Mary? No. However, Mary is extremely honored as the mother of Jesus.
Do real Christians think Mary was born without original sin?
6. The only human being that never sinned is Jesus.
Do real Christians think Mary maintained her virginity throughout life?
7. No. We are told that Jesus had brothers, and most likely also had sisters as well.
Was this because of a divine "instant regeneration of virginity" spell Yahweh placed upon her or was it simply because she abstained throughout life?
8. God doesn't place "spells" on people.
There is no reason to think that Mary abstained from sexual intimacy with her husband. Regardless, speculating on the sexual prowess of the mother of God is pointless and diversionary.
Do real Christians have Saints?
9. In the Bible, "Saints" merely translates as "God's people"
Are real Christians saved through "faith" or "works" or some combination of the two?
10. Salvation is by faith. You either believe it is possible (exhibiting faith), or you don't (not exhibiting faith). The natural result of your faith is the way you live your life ("works"). That said, faith will inevitably express itself through your works.
Do real Christians have to be "born again"?
If yes, what would being "born again" entail?
12. Basically is it the spiritual awakening, if you will, by the Holy Spirit (the Spirit of God). In Genesis 2:17 God warns that in eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, one would die.
When Adam & Eve did eat of the tree (or whatever it was), we know that they did not physically die.
God meant that they would die spiritually once becoming privy to evil, giving it access to their spirits and thus susceptible to and tormented by perpetual temptation. The result of this was spiritual separation from God (akin to a spiritual death).
What place does baptism have in the life of real Christians?
13. It's place is symbolic and considered a public affirmation of your belief in salvation through Jesus Christ.
Do real Christians interpret the Bible literally?
Do they have a specific criteria for which parts are literal and which are not?
Which version of the Biblical canon do they accept?
17. Well, there are so many translations available, I think if you put them all together then they all get the point accross pretty cohesively.
Do they give equal credence to the Old Testament?
Are real Christians creationists?
If yes, are they old Earth or young Earth creationists?
20. Personally, I wasn't there when it happened so I don't presume to know. I could care less exactly how old the Earth is and see it as a meaningless point of contention.
If old Earth, is it a perpetual Earth that existed from the moment of creation or is it an Earth that was formed by Yahweh or natural processes later on in the existence of the universe?
21. The moment of creation? There are many moments of creation: light, heavens, stars, moon, etc. Earth was created in the succession of those moments.
If young Earth, exactly how young is the Earth for real Christians?
22. See number 20
Which version of the 10 commandments do real Christians accept?
23. See Matthew 22:36-40 and 19:16-19. Chapter 19, verses 16 through 19 basically sum up my answer to number 3
Which version of the death of Jesus do real Christians accept?
24. Which version? I am only aware of one version. Jesus was crucified.
Do real Christians see one Gospel as more important than the others?
25. No. They are all equally relative, albeit from different perspectives.
If so, which Gospel do real Christians hold up above the others?
What position do real Christians take on icons?
27. Icons? Like idols? Like, idolizing someone or an object type idol? We don't worship statues.
What opinion of women do real Christians have?
28. I have no idea what you are referring to. Seriously, like I don't even know what to do with that.
Do real Christians allow women to teach?
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
What is a real Christian's opinion of homosexuals?
30. I try not to have an "opinion" of anyone, lest I find myself in the act of judging them. In which case, I have no business judging anyone, which is also beside the fact that it is not our place to judge anyway. Having said that, I have very close friends who are gay who have been extremely candid in sharing with me that their sexuality is something that they feel is a spiritual struggle for them. One of them even used the word "torment." These people are my friends and I have no "opinion" of them other than to love them and treat them as such.
What is a real Christian's opinion of Jewish individuals?
31. They are human beings who live on earth and practice the Jewish faith. Much like myself, except I practice the Christian faith.
And can you please provide arguments and evidence (be it Biblical or otherwise) to support your position?
31b. I don't have that kind of time on my hands right now.
Besides, if you are truly interested in the validity of my answers because you are seeking Truth as opposed to seeking argument for argument's sake, they would be easily found in a Bible concordance.
I'll have more questions once you take care of those.
32. I can't promise I can answer them, I have a lot of my own theological questions that I have yet to find answers to. Plus, I probably won't have time to because I'm going out of town in the morning
Phoenix rises from the ashes, leave the past behind.
Those who took my lust for life are buried in my mind.
Smell the air feel the breeze, a new wind is blowing.
Hear the sound of victory, the repressed are awaking.
Lifting the ban - that made me change for the worse.
I finaly escaped - from this curse.
A new breed of hope - is what they have to cope.
Feel the strenght - 'till the better end.
Dogs are barking in my face so they're not able to bite.
Pointing at mistakes of my past, I'm focused on what's yet to come.
Anger and distortion, my fuel for life, my engine is turning like never before.
As the last silence is broken.
Lifting the ban...
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
Interesting enough. Now can I hear your justifications?
Does this include Jesus?
Are real Christians trinitarian or unitarian?
Um...that doesn't really answer my question. Do real Christians believe in trinitarianism or unitarianism?
Ok, so for you it's a point of non-contention, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme.
Or am I misunderstanding you?
Now can you please back this position up?
What about Petrine privilege?
Being....? The Bible?
How does honoring parents branch of from that?
Would you care to do a bit of research? Not saying that snarkily, I'd just like to hear what you have to say after some study of her history.
Ok, can you please provide some sort of justification or evidence?
Again, please provide some evidence.
Alright, more elaboration, justification please.
What if I just love my neighbor?
The New Testament mentions slavery too. And I only mention those to Biblical literalists and those who claim the Bible is inerrant.
So I take it that you're not a literalist?
Alright, an errant Bible it is. At least when it comes to law.
So...creationism doesn't matter. Alright, good to know.
Huh? Um...again, care to back this one up?
Matthew, Mark, Luke, John.
4 different stories of the life and death of Jesus.
Not horribly different, but some have key differences.
Which teachings would be the important ones?
...would they be love God/your neighbor?
It helps the less creatively minded people?
I dunno, I was just asking because it was a major point of contention that caused a schism.
So this is yet another point where you disagree with the Bible.
What is a real Christian's opinion of Jewish individuals?
Why not? A bunch of random statements of belief really don't help with the distinction between real and false.
Also, sorry for the tardy reply, this is a bit of a messy thread and I've been busy.edit on 8/12/10 by madnessinmysoul because: quote fix
Originally posted by kinglizard
Some people like to make things so complicated....
There is no mystical hard to define labyrinth one needs to navigate in order to follow Christ's teachings and be saved. Just accept him as your savior, repent and turn from sin. It's the intent and striving to be better that counts.
10By this it is made clear who take their nature from God and are His children and who take their nature from the devil and are his children: no one who does not practice righteousness [who does not conform to God's will in purpose, thought, and action] is of God; neither is anyone who does not love his brother (his fellow believer in Christ).
11For this is the message (the announcement) which you have heard from the first, that we should love one another,
12[And] not be like Cain who [took his nature and got his motivation] from the evil one and slew his brother. And why did he slay him? Because his deeds (activities, works) were wicked and malicious and his brother's were righteous (virtuous).
"The Vatican was so appreciative of being recognized as a full partner (with Hitler and the Reich) that it asked God to bless the Reich. On a more practical level, it ordered German bishops to swear allegiance to the National Socialist regime. The new oath concluded with these significant words: ‘In the performance of my spiritual office and in my solicitude for the welfare and the interest of the German Reich, I will endeavor to avoid all detrimental acts which might endanger it’”