Anti Moore Nitwits, leave us alone.

"Keep up the good work, your creating kerry voters with your tripe."

It's called the truth. The people who like Michael Moore call the truth about him and his propaganda - 'tripe' and then call Moore's lies, slanders, and propaganda 'truth'. What a backwards bunch.

Oh - and your comment that I'm creating Kerry voters was a great laugh. Once people who think they like F911/Moore actually take a critical and educated look at him and the garbage he spews, they RUN from Kerry and Moore as fast as they can. Links have been provided to educate the poor souls who actually believe anything that man says. There is no way that creates votes for Kerry. But it does educate at least a few people and helps bring them up a few notches on the evolutionary scale so that they are no longer in the running for the Darwin award.


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Originally posted by intrepid
Is he self promoting? Yes. Does he skew things in a certain manner? Yes. The problem for the Right is that he's DAMN good at what he does. If he wasn't good at movie making, no one would go to see his films.

You just contradicted yourself. Moore is self promoting and skews things. So that right there says he IS NOT good at what he does, let alone DAMN good. The radical left throws good money at his feet for this garbage. Most of America doesn't bother with him. It's the overseas marxists who want to promote him so as to help bring down America to their level.

I haven't seen many of Moore's movies but, I have seen some of them. He is an uneducated socialist zealot. He has passion for the common mans problems that I think is genuine but, his mistake is thinking our system would be more fair with more Government. He is not a journalist, he has an agenda and he bends Truth to his will. Whether or not his new movie is good and provides illumination is hard to fathom - his prejudice taints the movie. The left love him and he is not exactly a sparkling example of left- wing idealism is he? I hope not. I think they love him because he is attacking Bush in an election year. If he is listened to with respect, then it does prove to me that many left-wing Americans cannot think clearly and logically.

Originally posted by StrangeLands
Thanks for proving my point .... How can you expect to be a credible, ignorance-denying member of ATS when you're still buying the crap pumped out by pro-Bush fanatics? This isn't about Moore, this is about page after page after page of evidence of Dubya's lies, stupidity and incomeptance. It's about thousands and thousands of examples of his staggering, breathtaking ignorance.

you're just stuck in a right-wing rut.

But hey, thanks for playing.

Thanks for proving my point Strangelands. How can you expect to be a credible, ignorance-denying member of ATs when you're still buying the crap pumped out by the pro-Moore fanatics? This isn't about Bush, this is about page after page after page of evidence of Moore's lies, stupidity and incompetance. It's about thousands and thousands of examples of his staggering, breathtaking ignorance.

you're just stuck in a left-wing rut.

But hey, thanks for playing.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
You just contradicted yourself. Moore is self promoting and skews things. So that right there says he IS NOT good at what he does, let alone DAMN good. The radical left throws good money at his feet for this garbage. Most of America doesn't bother with him. It's the overseas marxists who want to promote him so as to help bring down America to their level.

Well pal, I'm a centrist, so I see both sides of things and I take what I believe in from both, not blindly follow either, and I don't see a contridiction here. He's not good? Won best picture at Cannes. If you refuse to see the truth, keep it to yourself, instead of stirring up trouble, that's all you're doing.

Stirring up trouble? Nope. This is a discussion board. That's exactly what I'm doing. Discussing. Which includes pointing out things that others don't want to see.

So what if he won at Cannes? Who cares? That doesn't make it a good film. That just means that the radically leaning left Hollywood and foreign film makers loved it because it followed their political views. Hollywood is radical left. Moore's propaganda leans that way. Actually, the fact that the modern movie industry people liked it tells me it was most likely junk.

They don't make movies like they used to. John Wayne was an award winning movie industry personality. Michael Moore is a maker of left wing propaganda. Nothing more. (or ... Nothing MOORE)

How old are you mate? John Wayne won 1 award, for True Grit. I loved the guy, I actually got to see his films in the theater. The far left aren't the only ones blind here. By saying that because Hollywood likes it it is junk tells me two things. 1- you're acting out of prejudice, have you seen the movie? 2- you have no idea how things work in this industry. The Academy Awards usually follow the pattern set by the Golden Globes not Cannes.

So what is this thread all about? Is it an issue of perceived disrespect?

NOW, since that movie came out, there is a whole sludge of annoying flamers, that come out of the blue, remarking replys of experienced and intelligable users are based on and supportive to "your Moore God", saying they believe anything Moore said and bla bla bla.

Because, frankly I haven't noticed this behavior. But then, I haven't visited the F911 threads, if that's what you're referring to. Can you supply some examples?

Or is it simply another anti-right, anti-Bus rant?

from Strangelands
After all, it can't be easy when you're beloved president is proved to be not only a stupid, ignorant, lying, conniving drunkard - but to be in league with some very questionable people too! That would be enough to make anyone lose any shred of humour and good grace.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Thanks for proving my point Strangelands. How can you expect to be a credible, ignorance-denying member of ATs when you're still buying the crap pumped out by the pro-Moore fanatics? This isn't about Bush, this is about page after page after page of evidence of Moore's lies, stupidity and incompetance. It's about thousands and thousands of examples of his staggering, breathtaking ignorance.

you're just stuck in a left-wing rut.

But hey, thanks for playing.

FlyersFan, that is so damn clever I feel I should give you every one of my Way Above votes for the month.



It's such a shame you don't have the intellectual resources, or the factual support, to rise above "I am rubber, you are glue". It must be awfully embarrasing.

So ignore the awards Moore's film has received. Ignore the fact that Bush has caused Republicanism to become a joke. Ignore the fact that you don't have a single piece of evidence to support your tenuous position. Ignore the facts that prove Bush is a crook and a moron. Cling tightly to your right-wing knee-jerk, partisan stupidity. Close your eyes and plug your ears and hum loudly until the next election. It's makes no difference whatsoever to me.

After all, it's just your fellow countrymen you're letting down. And since when did Republicans care about that?

Moore has done a great justice with this movie, for he has shown the great double standards American thrives off.

The extreme right is allowed to molest society with its shaky truths and the media saturates this as the truth, hardly every questioning.

Moore is giving them a taste of thier own medicine.

Deep

- It's such a shame you don't have the intellectual resources, or the factual support, to rise above "I am rubber, you are glue". It must be awfully embarrasing.

** No, Actually, it's a lot of fun. BTW - I am the one with the factual resources. Sorry, but Moore has none. No facts. Just opinion.

- So ignore the awards Moore's film has received.

** Already explained the 'awards'. Left wingers awarding fellow left wingers for futhering their agendas.

- Ignore the fact that Bush has caused Republicanism to become a joke.

** that's your opinion and not a fact and your opinion is not shared by most people in this country.

- Ignore the fact that you don't have a single piece of evidence to support your tenuous position. I

** Uh ... sure I do. The fact is Michael Moore lied and slandered. It is on Michael Moore to prove his case. He failed miserably.

- Ignore the facts that prove Bush is a crook and a moron.

** Again - that's your opinion and not fact. My opinion is the exact opposite. Michael Moore is the crook for pretending his propaganda is a documentary, and for selling it to people who don't know any better. I actually have facts to back that one up on. You have no facts that Bush is a crook. He definately isn't a moron. Fighter Pilot, Yale Grad, etc. etc. Nope. Not a moron.

- Cling tightly to your right-wing knee-jerk, partisan stupidity.

** Oh absolutely. I intend to stay on the right. The left can't see Michael Moore for what he is and I would definately be too embarrassed to join in with them.

- Close your eyes and plug your ears and hum loudly until the next election. It's makes no difference whatsoever to me. After all, it's just your fellow countrymen you're letting down. And since when did Republicans care about that?

** What a silly, silly soul you are. No, those of us who can see Michael Moore for what he is are not letting our fellow countrymen down. Actually,
we all think it's rather sad that some of our fellow countrymen believe his rubbish. We thought Americans were smarter than that.

Happy Fourth of July.

Originally posted by intrepid
How old are you mate? you have no idea how things work in this industry. The Academy Awards usually follow the pattern set by the Golden Globes not Cannes.

I am 42. I'm not a 'mate'. DownUnder I'd be a Shiela, not a mate (I think that's how it works).

I have no idea how things work in 'THIS' industry? THIS? Does that mean you work in it? Just curious. You don't have to answer.

It doesn't matter who follows who ... Acadamy Awards, Golden Globes, Cannes .... it's all the same. There is an agenda behind them. You want a good conspiracy - look at the entertainment industry. It's a radical left wing propaganda machine.

FlyersFan, you're all over this forum with the same song...

if it is indeed all lies, then the bush administration only needs to file for libel and you can rest your case.

judging by your posts so far, you'll be needing this:

What is Libel?

Libel and slander are legal claims for false statements of fact about a person that are printed, broadcast, spoken or otherwise communicated to others. Libel generally refers to statements or visual depictions in written or other permanent form, while slander refers to oral statements and gestures. The term defamation is often used to encompass both libel and slander.

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Good responses, FlyersFan. Some people refuse to see the truth about Moore's duplicity:

(CNSNews.com) - One of the central charges made by left-wing filmmaker Michael Moore in his upcoming, Bush-bashing film is being undermined by another critic of the president -- former White House counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke.

Moore's upcoming film, Fahrenheit 911, points to President Bush's rumored relationship with Saudi officials as the motivating factor in the president allegedly allowing relatives of terror mastermind Osama bin Laden to fly out of the country following the Sept.11, 2001 terror attacks.

But Clarke recently admitted that he alone approved the exit of the bin Laden kin -- damaging the key premise of Moore's film.

Clarke
Clarke, one of Moore's main sources for the docudrama, went on to say that Moore had been told of this far enough in advance that he (Moore) knew full well that he was being deceptive in his film.

Originally posted by jsobecky

Clarke, one of Moore's main sources for the docudrama, went on to say that Moore had been told of this far enough in advance that he (Moore) knew full well that he was being deceptive in his film.

the very fact that they were flown out is sufficient.
who cares who made the order to fly them out, it certainly wasn't without bin laden and saudi intervention.

Richard Clarke: "I take responsibility for it. I don't think it was a mistake, and I'd do it again," he added. The Saudis and bin Laden's relatives were flown from the U.S. out of fear for their safety following the terror attacks.

now, according to the authorities, the saudis weren't implemented in the 9-11 attack, or did i miss that fact?
so why fly their family out?
if they knew it was bin laden who was responsible for the attack, then why fly his family out?
and why not fly out all muslim nationals while he's at it, for their 'safety'

...just opening it up a bit...

let the public enquiries begin!

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[edit on 5-7-2004 by shanti23]

Originally posted by shanti23
FlyersFan, you're all over this forum with the same song...

if it is indeed all lies, then the bush administration only needs to file for libel and you can rest your case.

I dunno if this was a half assed attempt at a verbal put down, or some sort of advice.

My two cents is that Flyers isnt here to prove libel, and why do you even mention libel in the first place as politicians by definition have a higher burden of proof to prove libel. In the eyes of the law anyone in the public eye has almost twice the responsibility to prove character assassination before a court will act on it.

Originally posted by Agent47
In the eyes of the law anyone in the public eye has almost twice the responsibility to prove character assassination before a court will act on it.

So, Fahrenheit 9-11 is insufficient proof for character assassination?
i don't think so.

My point: if the content of the film was completely untrue, then the bush administration would sue for libel, because it completely assassinates his character.
I would think that placing the American President as a co-conspirator of a plot to control the worlds second largest oil reserve sufficient reason for a court of law.

I reiterate the definition:

Libel and slander are legal claims for false statements of fact about a person that are printed, broadcast, spoken or otherwise communicated to others.

and yes, this is Exactly what flyersfan is saying.

Originally posted by Flyersfan** Uh ... sure I do. The fact is Michael Moore lied and slandered. It is on Michael Moore to prove his case. He failed miserably.

or am i mis-interpreting that too?

[edit on 5-7-2004 by shanti23]

Originally posted by shanti23

Originally posted by Agent47
In the eyes of the law anyone in the public eye has almost twice the responsibility to prove character assassination before a court will act on it.

So, Fahrenheit 9-11 is insufficient proof for character assassination?
i don't think so.

My point: if the content of the film was completely untrue, then the bush administration would sue for libel, because it completely assassinates his character.

The thing on this subject is, are you gona file a libel suit if you are rather desperate to keep media, courts and everyone else's nose out of what you've been up to over the last few years?

Wouldn't the defence in a libel suit require full investigation towards all alogations and all defencive arguments made?

What would happen if 9/11, iraq, all the company's involved, afghanistan situation and all those other things all the conspiracy theorists have been saying about bush and the people behind him, if those things would be put under investigation?

I think that would open a sespool of # that Bush and Co REALLY wouldn't want to see opened.

Originally posted by thematrix
What would happen if 9/11, iraq, all the company's involved, afghanistan situation and all those other things all the conspiracy theorists have been saying about bush and the people behind him, if those things would be put under investigation?

I think that would open a sespool of # that Bush and Co REALLY wouldn't want to see opened.

Exactly thematrix.

I'm all for an independant public enquiry and so is everyone else i know, thanks to this film.

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oops, double post

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